Character Discussion - Kallen

[Knightrunner]

I didn't say she would forget that event because most people do not do the forgive and forget thing. A person can forgive somebody but not forget. She even replied to Tamaki in a jokingly matter when she could of snub them off then.

Sorry but I do not see Ougi as a prime minister figure. Once he makes a decision the United States of Japan economy will go down the toilet unless somebody advices him.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Knightrunner

I didn't say she would forget that event because most people do not do the forgive and forget thing. A person can forgive somebody but not forget. She even replied to Tamaki in a jokingly matter when she could of snub them off then.

It was the middle of the battle. War isn't a very good time to alienate your allies.

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

That isn't tearing up. In fact, the pose is lifted from an entirely different picture as I recall.

Yup, you're right about that. It's from a picture that is far older than the second season itself. October 2007 to be precise.

[Knightrunner]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

It was the middle of the battle. War isn't a very good time to alienate your allies.

I guess you have a point here but there is a difference between being too friendly compared to alienation. Kallen sure kept a good composure after the shooting event.

[Rising Dragon]

Its possible that Kallen thought them to be in the right after Lelouch pulled his epic democracy stunt at Ashford, you know.

[Knightrunner]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Its possible that Kallen thought them to be in the right after Lelouch pulled his epic democracy stunt at Ashford, you know.

True, but it doesn't change the fact that they used her as shooting bait for there own agenda. For somebody that is in that situation she sure kept good composure and it seems like to me she forgiven them especially after teh Ashford academy stunt.

[morbosfist]

Or she just felt there were better things to do at the time than hold a past grudge over their heads. She can chew them out later. Other things need to be done.

[Rising Dragon]

She probably forgave them. People need to remember that forgiveness is beneficial to the one who does the forgiving, not the people who are forgiven.

[Knightrunner]

Originally Posted by Meatrose

Yup, you're right about that. It's from a picture that is far older than the second season itself. October 2007 to be precise.

Thanks for taking the time to find those pictures.

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by Knightrunner

Thanks for taking the time to find those pictures.

No problem. =)

[bladeofdarkness]

pre zero-requiem kallen would be hard pressed to defend her position and condemn their actions, since they appeared to be absolutely right
lelouch DID say to their faces that he had used them (and her) as pawns from the start
and she was not completely certain on the whole "live on" part, which is why she tried to confront him on both kaminejima and ashford

after he kick started the first stage of zero-requiem, she obviously couldn't complain about their actions, since they were "proven" to be right

and after it was over...
part of the idea behind zero-requiem was to basicly erase the past in order to allow people to move on with their lives towards a better future.
focusing everyone's hate on lelouch was, in a way, lelouch's way of taking the blame for everything, in order for them to move on past their grudges, crimes and mistakes.
Kallen embracing that mentality towards the black knights, when she knows thats what Lelouch would have wanted, is not so strange

does that make ougi a karma hudini ?
yes
but thats kinda the point

[Paladinoras]

Originally Posted by Meatrose

Yup, you're right about that. It's from a picture that is far older than the second season itself. October 2007 to be precise.

I find it awesome how Code Geass pics can still be interesting after 2 years.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Paladinoras

I find it awesome how Code Geass pics can still be interesting after 2 years.

That's because they're awesome pics. One certain blonde dude ruins the first picture a bit for me though.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

That's because they're awesome pics. One certain blonde dude ruins the first picture a bit for me though.

Yeah well, pretty much everything he touches or is a part of turns to fail, am I right? In fact, that may be the whole reason R2 sucked in the first place

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Yeah well, pretty much everything he touches or is a part of turns to fail, am I right? In fact, that may be the whole reason R2 sucked in the first place

You might be right about that.

[Bonzo]

However, before to create more mistakes, Kallen is the head of the family, Lelouch is just the..."wise adviser", etc...

[Revolutionist]

The whole using Kallen as bait was very Britannian-like of Ougi and co. I'm suprised nobody picked up on that and pointed out the hypocrisy in their actions. But then with a combined IQ for <100 you can't expect more from those morons.

[Bonzo]

The black knight are characterized like morons, in fact I used it on the comic and they lost the face in front to the entire world, and for a joke of the destiny, Kallen passed to the side of Emperor Lelouch is a sort of heroine.

About the original anime, there're tons of holes without a motivation or a explanation, the walls know it too by now.

[bladeofdarkness]

they acted out of fear at finding out that the leader who preached about how they shouldn't attack civilians or that the strong should not oppress the weak turned out to be some kind of monster who murders women and children and even his own people

they over-reacted in HOW they did it (and using kallen is unforgivable)
but considering that the first thing ANYONE who finds out about someone having mind control powers seems to be "did he use it on me"
its not all that far fetched

[Betteroffer]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

they acted out of fear at finding out that the leader who preached about how they shouldn't attack civilians or that the strong should not oppress the weak turned out to be some kind of monster who murders women and children and even his own people

they over-reacted in HOW they did it (and using kallen is unforgivable)
but considering that the first thing ANYONE who finds out about someone having mind control powers seems to be "did he use it on me"
its not all that far fetched

Every single piece of Schneizel's evidence falls apart under the most casual of cross examination (i.e. Tamaki) to the point that Schneizel couldn't actually prove anything without Ohgi being a sellout and Lelouch's "confession." The only 'hard' evidence that the BK had was the Directorate massacre, and that didn't even come up at the meeting.

That the BK would even listen to Schneizel at all is idiotic beyond all sense.

@Revolutionist: If we want to get technical, Ohgi may very well have caused the Black Rebellion to fail as well. He left his post to go see Viletta, (lying to a subordinate and friend's face in the process) and her wounding him put the base in chaos, pulling the guards away from the clubhouse, letting the Student Council run away and leaving Nunally to be grabbed by V.V. V.V. may have gotten to her anyway, but he would have had to get through the BK's defenses and if they weren't in a panic, they might have been able to respond better.