(CR) Beelzebub-jou no Okinimesu mama

[Stark700]

Manga 'Beelzebub-jou no Okinimesu mama' is getting an anime adaptation.

Premise:

Murin's lands his dream job with the demon king he's always held in awe, but when his tenure begins, it turns out the demon king isn't quite what he expected...

Source:
http://otakomu.jp/archives/705906.html

[Stark700]

Official site is up.
http://beelmama.com/

[Stark700]

New preview

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...-debut/.136552

[Stark700]

Crunchyroll announced for stream:

https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/stat...46051460239361

[BWTraveller]

I'm sorry, but this just seems too weird. I've seen not-so-terrifying hells before, but honestly soft pastel colors and cute cotton candy sprites do not go with the beings that tempt people to do evil and then torture them with guilt over how evil they'd become. It's like seeing a series depict Auschwitz with song and dance numbers and the people being given chocolate and cake instead of poison and bullets.

[Stark700]

Definitely a cute show with the fluffy character designs and setting. I just wonder if the comedy gags will be like this every week though. It can get repetitive but so far, the show has my attention.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

I'm sorry, but this just seems too weird. I've seen not-so-terrifying hells before, but honestly soft pastel colors and cute cotton candy sprites do not go with the beings that tempt people to do evil and then torture them with guilt over how evil they'd become. It's like seeing a series depict Auschwitz with song and dance numbers and the people being given chocolate and cake instead of poison and bullets.

Except Auschwitz was a real place, and hell probably not so much. Besides have you ever been to hell, or know someone who has? How can you say for sure you know what it looks like?

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

Except Auschwitz was a real place, and hell probably not so much. Besides have you ever been to hell, or know someone who has? How can you say for sure you know what it looks like?

Really? You're going to bring in questions of theology here? Even if you don't believe in Hell, the story pretty clearly establishes it as the realm of Biblical demons or those of the Lesser Key, and that Hell, whether you think it's real or not, is a horrible place of torment and inhabited by beings whose lives are centered around evil and the seduction of humankind away from God. Again, it doesn't make a difference if you're a believer or not, that's how it is. Just like how Tartarus is a place of eternal torture, typically of a poetic justice sort, to imprison gods from former generations and people who'd angered the current gods, and Elysium is a place of eternal bliss for the greatest people whose morality and piety had earned them recognition and reward. I don't believe in the Greek or Roman mythology, but I would still find it just as jarring if someone presented Elysium as a dark dystopian nightmare filled with serial killers and demons, or if Tartarus was presented as rainbows and unicorns. I didn't use Auschwitz as an example to poke at anyone or anything, it was just the most hellish place I could think of off the top of my head to demonstrate the severity of the dissonance.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Really? You're going to bring in questions of theology here? Even if you don't believe in Hell, the story pretty clearly establishes it as the realm of Biblical demons or those of the Lesser Key, and that Hell, whether you think it's real or not, is a horrible place of torment and inhabited by beings whose lives are centered around evil and the seduction of humankind away from God. Again, it doesn't make a difference if you're a believer or not, that's how it is. Just like how Tartarus is a place of eternal torture, typically of a poetic justice sort, to imprison gods from former generations and people who'd angered the current gods, and Elysium is a place of eternal bliss for the greatest people whose morality and piety had earned them recognition and reward. I don't believe in the Greek or Roman mythology, but I would still find it just as jarring if someone presented Elysium as a dark dystopian nightmare filled with serial killers and demons, or if Tartarus was presented as rainbows and unicorns. I didn't use Auschwitz as an example to poke at anyone or anything, it was just the most hellish place I could think of off the top of my head to demonstrate the severity of the dissonance.

Does the bible actually say that though? For me to discuss this with you we'd have to get into a debate about what the bible actually says about hell, or if the "biblical hell" people think about even actually comes from the bible. I don't feel like getting into that debate. Suffice it to say I disagree, and as such I don't really care how it's portrayed because I don't think it exists in real life let alone in the bible the way it's often portrayed in other literature and media.

[Random Wanderer]

Sweet jeebers this is fluffy.

[Tong]

Why cant we JUST appreciate this as the moe show its supposed to be without mental gymnastics?

[The One Above God]

Too fluffy, even the animals' cries express it.

[BWTraveller]

At the very least they get too close to the traditional and textual content. True, it's not entirely clear whether demons reside in the "hell" to which sinners are purportedly sent. That's just a matter of tradition. But this does firmly establish itself as being about the traditional/biblical demons, former angels who turned their back on God and fought a long battle before being cast out of Paradise, who now live with the purpose of tempting people away. To try and define them as the evil that seeks the subversion of mankind while at the same time setting them up as so fluffy and sweet is just kind of jarring.

Just tell me this, can any of you actually imagine Beelzebub, or any of her "minions", trying to convince you to commit grave sins? It's like using one of those puffballs as a guard dog whose job is to maim all intruders. It doesn't look right and it's hard to buy them being any good at their job.

[Magewolf]

I think they are going with after the fall God punished them by making them work as agents to determine the true nature of people, like with Job, as opposed to them becoming demon who do evil for evil's sake.

[Random Wanderer]

Of course this series isn't theologically accurate. It's a work of fiction! Just like average people in Japan don't pilot giant mecha, don't turn into magical girls, or don't strap magictech leg-warmers on and fly out carrying vehicle-mounted weapons to fight crystalline laser-spewing aliens. Tokyo tower doesn't get blown up on a daily basis, people don't get run down by trucks and transported to other worlds, there are no flying fish that give people bizarre psychic powers, and we haven't terraformed Mars into a water planet where piloting gondolas is a major tourist industry.

It's fiction. It's not meant in any way to represent reality, and viewers are expected to be psychologically mature enough to be able to separate the two.

[Om Nerabdator]

so extremely cute and extremely ecchi at the same time i like it! She should really lock her door, the pervert keep going into her room without knocking then lectures her for being naked....mate shes in her bedroom, she can be naked if she wants :P

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Of course this series isn't theologically accurate. It's a work of fiction! Just like average people in Japan don't pilot giant mecha, don't turn into magical girls, or don't strap magictech leg-warmers on and fly out carrying vehicle-mounted weapons to fight crystalline laser-spewing aliens. Tokyo tower doesn't get blown up on a daily basis, people don't get run down by trucks and transported to other worlds, there are no flying fish that give people bizarre psychic powers, and we haven't terraformed Mars into a water planet where piloting gondolas is a major tourist industry.

It's fiction. It's not meant in any way to represent reality, and viewers are expected to be psychologically mature enough to be able to separate the two.

Thing is there isn't any standard history or basis for any of those things: there are no mechas, magical girls or Neuroi, and when the authors set up the fictional worlds they exist in they made it fit together in a believable way. That's quite different from this series, where they seemed to want to go in two completely different and contradictory directions at once. Of course it's fiction, but again it sets the characters up as angels that rebelled against God and were cast out, and now struggle to lead people to commit progressively sinful acts and stray from the right path. This isn't merely going off of how they are in Biblical and traditional views, this is what's stated in the episode. To set up a backstory and fundamental basis like that and then have the characters be so completely different creates a huge dissonance.

Imagine if you will a story about vampires, in which you have frequent references to the fact that the major characters have consumed entire villages, mercilessly slaughtering and devouring even small children, as well as recognition that they continue to drink blood, but then present the characters as adorable creatures who play with kids and help old ladies cross the street. This would be jarring would it not? The same is true when you make the effort to define the demons as having the classical backstory and life purpose, even using typical caricatures of bat-winged dark voices, then present them like this.

[videoman190]

Originally Posted by The One Above God

Too fluffy, even the animals' cries express it.

[Nivek von Beldo]

Seriously that debate..this is this season gabriel dropout?

EDIT: Yeah a more romantic GD, with Belzebub being a more competent gabriel, plus more funny with Mullin,

Still yeah, rather that devils they could be anything else but they take the interpretation of devils as judges that pure evol.

[Nivek von Beldo]

The first part with the little smell to yaoi was so funny with the misunderstandings with Azazel and how those ended, Bel being jelly was so funny.

Them with Gacchan and her incontinency issue...and her fear to azazel, poor those two.

the stuffed animals are alived!!! Nani te!!! well that was to be expected, they're magical creatures

Poor Mullin, only got valentine chocolates from his okaa-san