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View Poll Results: Eden of the East - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 35 | 47.30% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 32.43% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 14.86% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.05% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.35% | |
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-06-17, 00:37 | Link #142 | ||
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2009-06-17, 02:35 | Link #143 | |||
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There is a big difference between me feeding my family and I while someone else can't fend for themselves for whatever reason and dropping 60 tomahawk missiles on one of the most densely populated cities in the world. People dying from firearms? Do you mean accidental deaths? Murders? Suicides? I have guns and i have never killed anyone either on purpose or on accident. If someone wants to kill someone else they will find a way. Humans have been killing each other since before written history. Back then they did it with sticks and bones. Its not fair to blame peoples' actions on a tool. Thats like saying n amount of Americans each year smash their thumbs while nailing just so the rest of the country can selfishly have their right to own a hammer. Dr. Bob - Don't take any offense please. I just get upset when people blame guns instead of blaming people for shooting each other. So I may have come across a little harsh in my disagreement with your statement. *is a proud gun owner* Quote:
Yea, genocide really wasn't the correct term to use. But like I said I wasn't really all there when I wrote that. Like that Canadian joke. What was I thinking? Your are right because to be able to say "These 2 lives are worth more than this 1" Means that you have the ability to judge life. Lives aren't something that can be bought and sold at the local market. Who is to say that my one life isn't worth 5 other so-so lives? Im not religious but I am spiritual. I believe that those kinds of decisions belong to a greater being(s) I think the one thing most sensible people can agree on is that we as a society need to take stock and figure out what is really important to us. Too bad more people didn't think like you. Quote:
Yep, People never really learn. The problem is that sometimes our lives are so comfortable with no real danger that we've become weak. We really have become domesticated. |
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2009-06-17, 05:13 | Link #144 |
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History repeats itself when people become docile enough to surrender their rights and responsibilities to those of a greater power rather than acting out for themselves. I guess it's far easier to say "let the government do it" and just go back to your routine everyday toil than to ask yourself if you could have done something to change things.
It's both the fault of western philosophy of the last 200 years and the luxuries of the industrial revolution. In the last 200 years people have moved from taking active part in the system and movement of government to thinking that the government can handle it themselves while the rest of the populace just get on with their lives. Part and parcel due to a lot of writings of that era especially those that came out of the French Revolution that espoused the ideals that the "higher people" in the governing body can be given our complete trust to do what is right for us, while we can just sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labor. If they fuck it up, then they're to blame. If they bring economic prosperity, it's because we got them into power. As for luxuries... well... the result is sitting on our asses watching the world go by on TV and on the internet. People think that they've worked and toiled their share that they have the right to enjoy the fruits of their labors while the rest of the world goes by. It's a selfish mentality that feeds on people's wants rather than their needs, pandering to their ideas to put the self first rather than to think of others too. People are so used to their lifestyles that they don't spare a second thought that what they have or what they're throwing away, even if they don't need them, could have actually been a better help in some other place. But hey, if they enjoy life, everyone can screw themselves. My point? My point is that people have been so uncaring and complacent about the problems of the world that they choose abandon the responsibility of change to someone who is willing to do it for them. It's apparently far more convenient to watch the news of a famine somwhere then to say... donate a few bucks to helping fight it. For this show, the Selecao have become symbols of people who have been pressured and placed into the spotlights of change because the rest of the country are too busy with their lives to do something about it. As I've said before, when people abandon responsibility to those in power, you'll eventually have people like Selecao I and IX, people with a radically violent view on change that they'll end up hurting the country more in the long run. In contrast you have Akira, who believes change doesn't necessarily come with a price. I'd actually note a few similarities between the Selecao and the days of terror after the French Revolution but that's a discussion for another day.
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2009-06-17, 10:20 | Link #145 | |
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The 30k firearms death number is an often used one from an FBI study in the mid to late 90s. What that number obscures is that something around 30% of thoose deaths are homicides (and that most of those homicides are of poor urban teens involved in drugs). Since then gun crime has dropped dramatically until 2005. Something slightly north of 10% is suicide, and while the gun suicide rate is higher in the US than other developed nations, the overall suicide rate is about the middle of the pack (lower than Japan for example). Now lest I sound like a typical anime gun nut (^_-), we should also consider that most auto deaths result not merely from car ownership, but from either alcohol or excessive speed. Neither of these two are things that must happen when we let people own cars, in fact we assume and require that they don't happen. In short, the 'cost to society' of letting people own guns or own cars is smaller (and probably much smaller) than those of numbers suggest. On the other hand public support for the Orion nuclear powered rocket project evaporated because there would be some small increase in deaths from cancer from atmospheric fallout. Despite that such a rocket system could make cost effective microwave solar power stations which would provide enough clean renewable energy for the entire planet. So, I agree with your point. Society always make tradeoffs regarding the good of the many over the good (or fatality) of the few. Those tradeoffs are not necessarily the most rational ones (in terms of numeric tradeoffs). Morally however these is a difference between a premeditated purge of undesirables and accepting a statistical increase in accidental deaths. Even if the numbers are the same.
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2009-06-17, 13:32 | Link #146 | ||||
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Well Raiga has managed to stir the pot, hasn't she?
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Lives ARE in fact bought and sold at the individual, local, state, national, and international level daily. Saying that those kinds of decisions belong to a greater being(s) always has been and will continue to be just an abdication of responsibility. A small obvious example: Someone is drowning. Do you pull him out and save his life or walk on by? Who are you to contravene the decision of the greater being(s) who are drowning him? Refusing to make a decision IS making a decision. Now you may say this is a silly example, but it's really only a matter of degree. The point is that we DO make life and death decisions daily, whether we acknowledge that fact or not, and as collectives we have more power to make bigger life and death decisions. When we abdicate this power, we leave the decision up to greater being(s). The greater being(s) are not actually who we may think, but rather other PEOPLE who have the strength of will (arrogance, maybe) to make those decisions. It's a great responsibility, but abdicating it is irresponsible. What if the person drowning is a serial killer? What if we don't know (as is usually the case in fact) if he's a serial killer or not? (See the anime Monster.) Both Meo and rocket DID get my point. In particular, the noble Meo (and I'm quite sincere when I say that) has actively chosen to devote her life to relieving suffering and saving lives. And believe me, it's at great personal cost. There are much easier ways to make a buck to feed your family. (Right, Meo? Hang in there, kid!) Her post (as well as her life) demonstrates clearly her sense of personal responsibility. "Well, we can't all be doctors", you may say. But, as she points out, we all could put a few bucks in an envelope and actually save real human lives. And we CHOOSE everyday whether to do that or not. As I said earlier, we don't like to think about it. So, these Selecao have suddenly had great personal power dropped in their laps. The range of reactions is about typical:
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2009-06-17, 15:52 | Link #147 | ||||
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2009-06-17, 16:45 | Link #148 | |
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The American founders were very big on the responsibilities of citizens, not just their rights. In Australia, voting is mandatory, and fines can be assessed for not voting. The most democratic system I've seen is in Libya (WHAT???), where everyone on the block has to go to meetings to decide on the block's opinion. The block representative takes that opinion (not what HE thinks is best, as in representative democracy) to the neighborhood level, and that process continues right to the top. People in Libya consider the meetings a horrible chore and waste of time. I heard on Reno 911 "My ancestors fought and died for my right to abstain". People insist on the RIGHT to decide, but in fact very few of them want to go to the EFFORT of actually deciding. It's hard work. So people do indeed now have increased ability to contribute to important decisions, but most would rather watch TV.
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2009-06-17, 17:21 | Link #150 | |
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I think it was more fish eric's post (which is what I replied to), but it does seem like the discussion has picked up. Although... I'm a guy.
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2009-06-17, 18:34 | Link #153 | |
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2009-06-17, 19:59 | Link #155 | |
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Ok um first off I'm a guy so... yeah...
Secondly, my point was that writers such as Rosseau espoused ideals outlined in works like the Social Conract that people are better off surrendering their rights to the higher governing bodies. His view of the democratic system was that people's right to political activity ends when they vote and leave everything in the hands of those they have brought to power. Quote:
The problem with the IR is that it's made life so much easier for people that they've gotten so accustomed to their comfortable lifestyle to even consider any changes to the status quo. The rationale is that, if my life kicks ass, why should I want things to change?
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2009-06-17, 22:09 | Link #157 |
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I think the movie will be a major action epic, filled with thrills and suspense.
I think it will resolve the cliff-hanger left at the end of the last episode and also solve the first and last mystery: Why was he naked in front of the White House? I think IX will sacrifice himself to save Japan from the missiles while Saki desperately tries to lead the Eden gang in helping him and vainly trying to save him. (She convinces them that he's a good guy next episode.) I want to see the army of naked NEETS charging down the street trying to kill him and Saki bravely jumping in front of them, convincing them too that he's the good guy, while Micchon hacks the giant Q's Eye display in Shibuya to show them the cellphone records, and then them all tearing off after the bad guys to save him, destroying everything in their path. At the end, they will all look up at the sky and Saki's voiceover will poetically deliver his elegy, saying what a strange and wonderful guy he was. Oosugi will put his arm around her, comforting her, and will slowly walk her off into their new future that IX (whoever he really was) made possible. And the theater will be filled with voices cursing out Oosugi. p.s. And IX will at last be reunited with Johnny!
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2009-06-17, 23:25 | Link #158 | |
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Stuff like: What's with The NEETs; the new missiles; Oohsugi and CO; Saki-Akira; the identity of #12; the death of #10; the meaning of "betrayal" against Akira; Ato Saizo's current state; The Juiz lady; WTH is that Society Computer Pantsu was working on; Where did Diana vanish... And many many more. I don't wanna be pessimistic, but I eat my hat if the final episode is going to cover most of those questions.
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2009-06-17, 23:34 | Link #159 |
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Ha ha ha...
I think the movie will be like the ED Song... "Juiz, shot that missile down..." "Order received. Noblesse Oblige. May you always be our messiah." "Bang..." But, one missile missed... And he is forced to do something risky to save the country... |
2009-06-17, 23:45 | Link #160 | |
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TV ratings are in, and this episode jumped up to a 4.4% rating (from 3.2% last week), putting it in 11th place among all anime, and in first place by far among late-night anime.
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When I first saw those trucks, I thought they were carrying missiles, but that seems unlikely: the missiles are elsewhere. I guess they were carrying Juiz, but I don't get why they couldn't just transfer data, and I don't understand how they could spirit such a big installation away without #1, who is looking right into the holes, realizing it had been done. We'll see if a reasonable explanation comes up in what will likely be a packed ep11 tomorrow. I am very sympathetic with Director Kamiyama's points about work in Japan, as represented by Saki's feelings. Not many cultures have a special name for death by overwork. The Japanese work ethic is wonderful, but the way it makes them disposable victims of their companies is not. #1 wants to improve Japan by going back to the time when they worked hardest. What I think Kamiyama wants, on the other hand, is a Japan that is less run by its big corporations, in which workers are freer and less exploited, and in which non-conformists are not so shunned. I don't think this is a problem of capitalism. I think a socialist Japan would be just as conformist, and the organization would exploit and oppress its members as companies do their workers now. I think what's required is a cultural revolution -- and we all know the dangers involved in that, lol.
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