(L) Digimon Adventure Tri (6 movies)

[Idealist 99]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Actually that's incorrect, the first season of Precure, and Yes! Precure kept the main characters and only changed the villains, so you're analogy doesn't work. Toei can do whatever it is they want to do.
When they introduce a new digimon series, the first thing they tell you is whether or not the lead character will be different.

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And ''Adventure 02'' also kept the old character and brought new characters . Just like precure squeal brought another girl in the same series .
Even if the Leader role was switched , It doesn't meant Tai & Other didn't do anything at all in series .
And Digimon anime series only exist to introduce new Digimon .

Digimon Savers actually first gave us Masaru, before they showed us his partner. His digimon partner came later.

In ''Savers', Marcus may had Agumon but its digivolve to another Sub-species of Graymon called Geo Graymon.
Plus , Do you forgot about Gaomon (Thomas's Partner) and Lalamon (yoshino's Partner)
They were new Digimons as well
You don't understanding you're saying right !!
Your practically saying This New Series will have Old Digimon , Old Digi-Destined , Old Digivolution , Old digivolution method ! This series will not have New Digimon , New Digi-Destined , New Digivolution , New Digivolution Method and New Legendary hero !
You kept telling how every Digimon series was promoted in the past Yet You completely ignoring every Digimon series & Squeal introduce New Digimon , New Digi-Destined and New Digivolution Method.

The fact that you keep insisting that they will crowd the series with more main character, shows that you know nothing about writing. Also they just showed Hikari so we know she'll be a part of the group as well, so you're theory is already disproven.

Do you honestly think There is a fixed number of character writer have to Develop!
And Only Main Character that get Develop .
Grow Up .
Depending on the Story , all sort of Character need development even if he/she a main character , Referring Character , Antagonist , Ally , Mama & Papa , One-shot character etc .
Digimon is always about Kids & Digimon Saving the World ! And All character will be develop depending on their role .
Also , It was pretty obvious that Kari will be the next to be reveal.

Plus ,How many Original character you think will be active in this Series ?
If Adventure 02 cut out then TK didn't transfer to Kari school So he has retransfer

No they don't, they don't change their tune, they didn't choose they were given an ultimatum, "if they want to go home then they have to save the digital world". The only time they were motivated was in the final arc and that was only because it was effecting the real world, then after that we had to receive motivation via having to watch their friends sacrificing themselves to save them before them before they decided that they really wanted to fight to save the digital world. In fact this was the whole reason why they threw out the chosen children idea for Tamers, because there was no real choice. It wasn't until the Dark Masters arc that the children were given motivation and choice to save the world, that wasn't an ultimatum.

The only children who chose to save the digital world were the 02 kids. The original kids did not have a choice in saving the world, they never got the choice to walk away.
Precure never develops more than one main team at a time, so again you're comparison is once again failing you.
Also trying to group all the seasons together isn't helping your argument.

Oh right , They go back to Digital World to have fun ! Before that , They were playing Hide & Seek with Mystromon.
Up until Some Digimon died from them , They have no idea that they have to fight Badguys and save the world.
Digimon is about Bunch of Kids and Digimon fight evil to save ''The World'' !
The World mean both Digital & Real world Because in every series the problem of Digital World make its way to real world .
Its not about whatever Goal and Dream each character have .
They may have different Dream & Goal however one thing that remain same about all of them that they have Digimon and they were chosen by to fight against some Evil Digimon Or Program .

Oh you mean like how they introduced Tohma second because he was Masaru's co-worker? Or how they introduced Kouji, because he was going to be Takuya's friend? You see where I'm going with this? Whenever Toei makes a sequel they will always show off the new characters first, and save the older characters for last. That's what they did with Saint Seiya, 02, and Hunters (even though its not a sequel).

May be, The New DigiDestined isn't a friend But Antagonist like Yuu (Xros War).
Before You tell me How every series being promote , I also you that how a new DigiDestined appeared ever the new Series .
Adventure has Kari , Adventure 02 had Ken , Tamers has Ryo & other 3 character , Savers had Ikuto , Xros War had Yuu and Hunter had Tageru & Countless other hunters.
Its less like Pokemon and more like Precure or Power Ranger Where new & more powerful ranger appear at the middle of the series.

And what does Pokemon have to do with digimon? Seriously you're comparing two shows that don't have anything in common. It seems more like you're upset that Pokemon didn't get the nomination. Calm down they nominate undeserving shows all the time.

Because Both of them are Animes that exist to promote Merchandise .
Its not like those Anime that were created to be Popular and win awards.
Digimon just an Anime that focus on promoting Merchandise and increase Merchandise Sales .

02 has a lot of supplemental material, some of it solves the problems some of them ignore them, but a lot of it just further messes up a story that was already convoluted to begin, for instance the first 02 movie is canon now and the second one is not. So literally including it would mean fixing 02's mess, and there is a question of where they would they could even start with that. Dragon Ball GT had the same problem (it actually has a sequel), and we know how Toei handled that. FYI they've also been re-airing Adventure.

Except , Producer aren't creating another new Dragonball Series to replace GT .
I mean , Do you honestly think the Producer are making new Digimon adventure Series because they feel guilty about Adventure 02 being a mess ?
Nope !
They probably has a business idea to take the Market by using Adventure series So they are doing just that.

Actually the writers do care about creating a proper story, Bandai only really tells Toei what digimon they can use, what those digimon can do, what devices they can use and how they work, and how they can they can be used, and that's it. Toei is then given free reign to do everything else. What happened with 02 was a case of too many writers spoiling the stew, everyone including the producer and director had an idea of what they wanted and no one wanted to back down from those ideas, and because those two are higher on the food chain the writers ended up being drowned out, this is why the original second half of 02 was thrown out, and why we got so much filler in its place. In the case of Xros Wars (technically Hunters and Xros Wars are the same series, Hunters is not a sequel) they were trying to emulate what made Adventure popular, while doing their own thing and they failed at that.

Daisuke was a darling of the producer, so they put him in everything, so of course when something from 02 did well, they thought it was because of him. Also the person who was responsible for Daisuke's creation also worked on Hunters, and they had none of the writers from 02 to warn them away from it (because the writers had problems with his character).

You actually think that even after complaining about ''Hunter Series'' being a Mess .
Let me tell you What is a Proper story to Digimon Producer ! You know How Xros War increase Toy sales that promote them to create another Squeal. That Mean Xros War had a ''Proper story'' even if its rank lower then Other Digimon Series.

If You think this New Adventure is created to make up for adventure 02 & Hunter series then you're wrong .
Truth is , The New Adventure series is created to promote New Digimon like every other series and its bug me there will not be a single New Digimon as Main character.
as far I know , Tai agumon probably Digivolve into another Sub-species of Graymon Or There is a brand new Digivolution for War Graymon.
Unless Off Course Tai starting catching Digimon.
Ether You or Me don't know what the Director or Writer thinking .
But it already known Digimon Anime is for introduce and Promote New Digimon.
And Thats what this new series will do .
I'm not saying you might being wrong about adventure 02 being Cut ! However , I think everyone has their right discuss some plot-line from Adventure 02 like the Dark Ocean and Daemon ! Furthermore , I like more info about the Previous Chosen children that appear before Tai's group .
FYI : The Previous Chose Children were Canon at Adventure 01 .

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Idealist 99

And ''Adventure 02'' also kept the old character and brought new characters . Just like precure squeal brought another girl in the same series .
Even if the Leader role was switched , It doesn't meant Tai & Other didn't do anything at all in series .
And Digimon anime series only exist to introduce new Digimon .

Except Toei made a point of introducing the new characters first so that you'd know that they would be there. The closer you get to the release date is when they start showing off the returning characters, if at all, its a part of their marketing they do that to get people's hopes up. Also a good portion of the Precure seasons are not direct sequels. So you're shooting yourself in the foot by bringing it up.

No the digimon anime series only exists to sell V-Pets not introduce new digimon. Also once again the shows marketing has done nothing to support your claims, and has instead done things that go against it, so you trying to claim to pass them off as fact is inherently incorrect.

In ''Savers', Marcus may had Agumon but its digivolve to another Sub-species of Graymon called Geo Graymon.
Plus , Do you forgot about Gaomon (Thomas's Partner) and Lalamon (yoshino's Partner)
They were new Digimons as well
You don't understanding you're saying right !!
Your practically saying This New Series will have Old Digimon , Old Digi-Destined , Old Digivolution , Old digivolution method ! This series will not have New Digimon , New Digi-Destined , New Digivolution , New Digivolution Method and New Legendary hero !
You kept telling how every Digimon series was promoted in the past Yet You completely ignoring every Digimon series & Squeal introduce New Digimon , New Digi-Destined and New Digivolution Method.

You really don't know anything about digimon besides the anime do you?

Rosemon isn't new, she's actually a much older digimon, that has been around since 1999, there's also most of the Adventure cast digimon that was created in 1997, as well as Terriermon, Lopmon and most of their evolutionary line, Guardromon, Marin angemon, and Leomon, in Tamers were created long before the start of the series, actually most of the partner digimon that appeared in Tamers weren't new. A lot of the digimon that appeared in Xros Wars also weren't new but rather were redesigned versions of older digimon, which were that way because unlike regular digimon the digimon that appear in Xros Wars have no level.

In other words Bandai has nothing against using older, but more popular digimon to advertise the franchise. Again its Bandai who gives Toei the digimon that they have to use for the season. Digimon is a property that is owned by Bandai, which is why Bandai are the ones who tell Toei what the evolutions will be. And again Bandai has nothing with using older iconic digimon for their entries. Digimon is made to sell toys specifically V-Pets and would you look at that Bandai re-released all of the Adventure V-Pets, so look new toys to sell. Your arguments only hold water if you live in a bubble and don't pay attention to Bandai or Toei's marketing.

Also again its not as though more recent digimon won't show up as side characters, the fact that Jesmon and Hackmon are a part of the 15 anniversary digivices and marketing, means that they will most likely make an appearance. Might the digivices get an upgrade? Maybe, but most likely not, its up to Bandai, but the original Adventure digivices themselves are old enough that re-releasing them appear new product. There's also the fact that Bandai most likely won't want to compete with themselves.

Do you honestly think There is a fixed number of character writer have to Develop!
And Only Main Character that get Develop .
Grow Up .
Depending on the Story , all sort of Character need development even if he/she a main character , Referring Character , Antagonist , Ally , Mama & Papa , One-shot character etc .
Digimon is always about Kids & Digimon Saving the World ! And All character will be develop depending on their role .
Also , It was pretty obvious that Kari will be the next to be reveal.

Again do you know how hard it is to develop one character, nevermind a large group of main characters? Seriously the way how 02 went down should have made you realize how foolish your argument. the writers of 02, didn't even attempt to develop the older characters instead they forced them to sit on the sidelines, so that they could focus on the new characters. Why? because having so many characters and a limited number of episodes, means that you as a writer will be strapped for time for developing that character. Certain characters don't need development, however main characters do, or if they don't you certainly need to explore them. And let's break down how character development can go down.

You've got a main character then you've got their partner digimon and the first thing they have to do is establish that character, then their backstory then the people connected to said character that you have to establish, along the way you've got to establish some sort of relationship between the main character and their partner digimon. After that comes development now that the character is established now they and their relationships have to developed, along with their digimon. This for one character can take at least to 5 episodes, now multiply it 8 times. And don't forget you also need time to develop the story as well.

Hell even Daisuke who didn't have any development got at least 5 episodes to establish him as a character, and you're claiming that there should be more main characters? There's being idealistic and there there is just being foolish.

Plus ,How many Original character you think will be active in this Series ?
If Adventure 02 cut out then TK didn't transfer to Kari school So he has retransfer

They just showed us that Taichi, will be active as well as Hikari and Yamato (via a 15th anniversary tweet), and considering the marketing the others will follow. That 8 children plus their digimon meaning 16 main characters. Also email existed back in 2005, and Yamato and his father live in Odaiba, I think there is enough excuses for Takeru to hang out with the cast in Odaiba, he was able to do so in Adventure just fine. Heck the only reason why he was forced to move in 02 was so that the adventuring in the digital world could be a regular after school activity, mostly exclusive to the new kids. And there is no mention of whether or not they will be doing so in the new season, but considering that Taichi and Yamato will be regulars this won't be the case.

Oh right , They go back to Digital World to have fun ! Before that , They were playing Hide & Seek with Mystromon.
Up until Some Digimon died from them , They have no idea that they have to fight Badguys and save the world.
Digimon is about Bunch of Kids and Digimon fight evil to save ''The World'' !
The World mean both Digital & Real world Because in every series the problem of Digital World make its way to real world .
Its not about whatever Goal and Dream each character have .
They may have different Dream & Goal however one thing that remain same about all of them that they have Digimon and they were chosen by to fight against some Evil Digimon Or Program .

They went back because what was happening in the digital world was effecting the real world, nice to see that you don't care to read what other people actually post. Also now you're arguments make no sense.

May be, The New DigiDestined isn't a friend But Antagonist like Yuu (Xros War).
Before You tell me How every series being promote , I also you that how a new DigiDestined appeared ever the new Series .
Adventure has Kari , Adventure 02 had Ken , Tamers has Ryo & other 3 character , Savers had Ikuto , Xros War had Yuu and Hunter had Tageru & Countless other hunters.
Its less like Pokemon and more like Precure or Power Ranger Where new & more powerful ranger appear at the middle of the series.

Again when they market its usually New heroes first, older characters second, first arc villian (if it isn't a spoiler and it frequently is) third, the secondary characters are then introduced after that. The sixth ranger character, at least in digimon is actually spoiled by the marketing first, their digimon appears in the V-Pet.
Hikari actually showed up in the Digimon Adventure movie which was released before the tv series, besides that her joining was really just a last minute addition, because the fans liked her. Ken and the digimon kaiser were actually revealed from day one (along with Daisuke's design) they were one of the first characters revealed in the marketing, and Ken identity as the digimon emperor was spoiled by the Wonderswan game marketing, which started before 02 even aired. Ryo similarly was also revealed from day one, via wonderswan game marketing. In fact the fact that Ryo was in the Tamers universe was an open secret to the Japanese fandom. Kouichi wasn't spoiled but his spirit evolutions were (actually all of the spirit evolutions were spoiled before the series even started), similarly Ikuto's character itself was kept a secret, but his digimon partner Falcomon was not and was spoiled via the V-Pet. Yuu's character was actually spoiled from day one, however his role in the story was not. Also you're talking about sixth ranger characters who show up midway through a show, which are inherently different from characters because they are spoiler characters whose existence spoils a part of the story, and are inherently different from characters such as Koushirou and Jenrya. Just because the western viewers aren't given any hint of the marketing doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

And once again this isn't proving your point.

Precure in and of itself is actually different from digimon and therefore is not marketed like it, the show itself is owned by Toei so the marketing ploy for it is actually inherently different than the one used for Digimon. And for Pokemon its a completely different franchise owned by a completely different company that focuses on selling different things, so you would take care to not compare them.

Because Both of them are Animes that exist to promote Merchandise .
Its not like those Anime that were created to be Popular and win awards.
Digimon just an Anime that focus on promoting Merchandise and increase Merchandise Sales .

Except there are two different franchises owned by different companies that have different marketing practices, whose main market are different things (digimon anime-toys) (Pokemon-videogame), plus there are other factors within that as well, so comparing them is an exercise in pointlessness. And I'm not the only person who pointed this out to you.

Except , Producer aren't creating another new Dragonball Series to replace GT .
I mean , Do you honestly think the Producer are making new Digimon adventure Series because they feel guilty about Adventure 02 being a mess ?
Nope !
They probably has a business idea to take the Market by using Adventure series So they are doing just that.

By definition, retcon doesn't just mean replacing something with something else. It can also mean erasing something so that an event or movie no longer happens. This is canon discontinuity a retcon made to remove something from canon entirely. It doesn't have to replace said thing to remove it just make it an impossibility, this can happen via an event, or from the creators themselves, Toriyama basically said that GT isn't a part of the Dragon Ball continuity, long before Battle of the Gods was even released.
When did I ever say anything about feeling guilty? Again do you seriously read what I wrote? I said that it would be too troublesome for them to keep in the story then they'll likely just get rid of it, so that they can create a coherent narrative. What about any of that has to do with feelings of guilt? If anything your claim has more to do with feelings of guilt, as you keep insisting that they'll keep everything from 02 to appease to the (very small number) of fans.

You actually think that even after complaining about ''Hunter Series'' being a Mess .
Let me tell you What is a Proper story to Digimon Producer ! You know How Xros War increase Toy sales that promote them to create another Squeal. That Mean Xros War had a ''Proper story'' even if its rank lower then Other Digimon Series.

The Xros Loader having good toy sales had nothing to do with Xros Wars anime, the anime wasn't the only marketing they had for the Xros Loader, they also had a manga (which did better than the anime, go figure) as well as other tv spots and magazine advertising. It also helps that the Xros Loader was also an MP3 player, which was the real reason why it was a success. Its a low cost V-Pet, that also doubled as a good quality MP3 for kids. The product was genuinely good. However, once a digimon anime ends Bandai usually starts shelving the toys that are associated with it, and wrap up anything else that is also associated with it, this also means the video games manga which were also well received, which were also well received, but because the Xros Wars franchise as a whole was a success they extended the anime to keep it relevant, or it could have been because they needed a 1 cour show to act as a placeholder in that timeslot for Saint Seiya Omega.

Xros Wars doesn't have a sequel, Hunters is a part of Xros Wars, according to Bandai, Toei, and TV Asahi, and you can see from its actual official episode numbering. The show was merely extended and given subtitles to differentiate between arcs, but its all a part of the same show, similar to Katekyo Hitman Reborn. So me pointing out that Xros Wars is a mess and that it wasn't well received, and the Xros Loader having good toy sales and the show getting extended are two very different things. The fact that you don't get that shows how little you actually know.

Also Hunters lost to the Amazing World of Gumball. And besides that the Emmy nominees and winners are not not chosen according to viewer reception and they have snubbed shows that and actors that were derserving of an award, and nomimated and awarded shows that didn't deserve it. There is a reason why critics point out that the emmys aren't relevant.

If You think this New Adventure is created to make up for adventure 02 & Hunter series then you're wrong .
Truth is , The New Adventure series is created to promote New Digimon like every other series and its bug me there will not be a single New Digimon as Main character.
as far I know , Tai agumon probably Digivolve into another Sub-species of Graymon Or There is a brand new Digivolution for War Graymon.
Unless Off Course Tai starting catching Digimon.
Ether You or Me don't know what the Director or Writer thinking .
But it already known Digimon Anime is for introduce and Promote New Digimon.
And Thats what this new series will do .
[B]I'm not saying you might being wrong about adventure 02 being Cut ! However , I think everyone has their right discuss some plot-line from Adventure 02 like the Dark Ocean and Daemon ! Furthermore , I like more info about the Previous Chosen children that appear before Tai's group .
FYI : The Previous Chose Children were Canon at Adventure 01 .

I never said or even implied that it was, and if that's what you're getting from what I'm saying then you need to check your reading comprehension skills. Everything created with Xros Wars; The Xros Loader V-Pet, the manga, the game, were a success, the only thing that wasn't was the anime. If keeping 02 is too troublesome then they'll just get rid of it, its been 15 years and they actually know that they can get away with it. That's a cold hard truth. Digimon anime are made to sell V-Pets not new digimon, in fact the digimon that appear in a digimon series more often than not are older. The anime is made to advertise the toy, this is one of the main differences between the Digimon and Pokemon franchises, and why I keep telling you to stop trying to compare them. A show that is a much better comparison to Digimon is Marvel Disc Wars.

FYI the Dark Ocean and Daemon corp. plotlines were technically resolved, not in a satisfying manner, mind you, but still resolved. The chances of them even appearing is any digimon Adventure sequel is slim to none, since they may or may not be the plotlines that the producer Hiromi Seki threw out because she didn't like. The original writer for Adventure didn't want anything to do with 02 and left the project because of it, and one of writers for 02 is disappointed with the final product (I would be too, if the producer decided to erase half the series last minute).

Also your overuse of bold is rather obnoxious please stop.

[smilewolfy]

Originally Posted by ACertainStark

Is it doing better? what's the difference? I ask because I didn't care much for SMC nor did I pay attention to it... I just saw a lot of the hilarious quality screenshots from the show.

well from what I remember, SMC was announced around July 2012 to release July 2013, but when that date came closer they pushed it back to January 2014, then when THAT date came around they pushed it back to July 2014, which was the actual release date.

In this time we didn't really get any information, just some minor tweets from the editor about mundane stuff like them still working on the project, and for a long time a lot of people thought the anime wasn't going to happen~

compared to that, Digimon 2015 seems to be doing a lot better, we actually have character designs (kind of) and even a small blurb. It's not much yeah, but a hell of a lot more than we got from sailor moon

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by smilewolfy

well from what I remember, SMC was announced around July 2012 to release July 2013, but when that date came closer they pushed it back to January 2014, then when THAT date came around they pushed it back to July 2014, which was the actual release date.

In this time we didn't really get any information, just some minor tweets from the editor about mundane stuff like them still working on the project, and for a long time a lot of people thought the anime wasn't going to happen~

compared to that, Digimon 2015 seems to be doing a lot better, we actually have character designs (kind of) and even a small blurb. It's not much yeah, but a hell of a lot more than we got from sailor moon

Its definitely doing better, but there's still a chance that we might not get it in 2015, because that's when the 15th anniversary Digimon Adventure V-Pets will be released, and I imagine that they want to give that time to sink in first, but only that is if they have another V-Pet planned after that.

[DMurphy]

There's now two new games on http://digimon-adventure.net/, so people who can't type in Japanese can do a tile-sliding puzzle instead for ten or thirty clicks.

[King-Slayer]

Originally Posted by DMurphy

There's now two new games on http://digimon-adventure.net/, so people who can't type in Japanese can do a tile-sliding puzzle instead for ten or thirty clicks.

clicks suddenly exploded. hopefully it'll be done soon.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by King-Slayer

clicks suddenly exploded. hopefully it'll be done soon.

It didn't suddenly explode, people are cheating at the puzzle games.

[smilewolfy]

or maybe the number was suddenly lowered by the company coz they realized not many people care for the egg anymore xD

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by smilewolfy

or maybe the number was suddenly lowered by the company coz they realized not many people care for the egg anymore xD

same number, but anyone can play the new game even if you don't know Japanese

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by smilewolfy

or maybe the number was suddenly lowered by the company coz they realized not many people care for the egg anymore xD

all they've done is increase the amount of cracks on the egg.

[smilewolfy]

really? I guess I goofed then guys~ but i could have sworn it was 600, 000 not too long ago >_>

[desrtsku]

But it was.

[Gundamx]

than drop to 500k- > 400k- > 300k-
and soon 200k-

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

than drop to 500k- > 400k- > 300k-
and soon 200k-

People are cheating now. Toei introduced a digimon game to increase the Nade on the egg, most likely to energize the waning hype.

[Gintokifan22]

So, now we have to work with more eggs to find out more information? That sucks!
I'm dying for a flippin trailer already. It's coming our 2015, that's not far from now.

[King-Slayer]

Originally Posted by Gintokifan22

So, now we have to work with more eggs to find out more information? That sucks!
I'm dying for a flippin trailer already. It's coming our 2015, that's not far from now.

hopefully they'll take the click count down next time or something.

[desrtsku]

Well, let's look at the bright side of the thing. The puzzles and typing trials are a good brain exercises. It's a win-win situation.

[FlareKnight]

Good move to find a way to increase the hype and get that number knocked down.

Sliding puzzle should help. I was pretty shocked when I casually went to see how the page was doing and saw it that much lower than the 500k it was at last time I was there.

Of course I'm not that good at puzzles so may not be very helpful there .

[King-Slayer]

Down to 150k now and dropping. Should be done by the weekend at the very least.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Good move to find a way to increase the hype and get that number knocked down.

Sliding puzzle should help. I was pretty shocked when I casually went to see how the page was doing and saw it that much lower than the 500k it was at last time I was there.

Of course I'm not that good at puzzles so may not be very helpful there .

Yeah the annoucement on Twitter is actually encouraging people to crack the egg, so I think they are more than ready to release more information.