2020-11-16, 20:06 | Link #81 | |
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Again we are talking about bipolar opium addict and if it hindered his ability investigate, it wasn't enough to stop him from becoming deservedly most famous detective in the world. Being unstable might just be handicap to not make it too easy. Also why are bringing sympathy into it? Noone expect it nor is willing to give.
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2020-11-17, 16:38 | Link #83 |
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5 minutes into ep 6, and this latest noble may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. The sense of entitlement and belittlement of the commoners is one thing, but does he intend to grow his own food and shovel his own shit? Because what else does he think would happen without commoners?
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2020-11-19, 03:14 | Link #86 | |
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In other words, Moriarty is targeting "the worst of the worst". So, logically, we are shown "the worst of the worst" as his victims. I mean, why would this iteration of Moriarty target the "relatively good" nobles in the first place?
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2020-11-19, 03:53 | Link #87 |
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He wasn't targeting the dude in Durham or the child killer - it just so happened he lucked into them.
It's lazy writing, sorry. Trust your story - and your audience - and use a little subtlety.
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2020-11-19, 07:38 | Link #88 | |
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Also, the Durham lord was shown precisely because he will be one of Moriarty's targets in the story. It's a character setup. And I don't think the story is meant to be subtle at all when comes to that bloke. It's not like the show never shown us good nobles before. Lucian and his pal, Tate, were good nobles. And the show never state that the majority of nobles are deplorable people. Albert hates the system more than the people. Even Will Moriarty back in the orphanage taught the kids that there are plenty of good nobles. I'd say we shouldn't mistake the highlights with the majority.
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2020-11-19, 14:20 | Link #89 |
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The problem is that none of those guys really feel like characters. They aren't evil for their own reasons. They're evil because Moriarty needs a target.
The only exception, I think, is the guy that fell off a bridge. That guy had a plan - exploit the vulnerabilities of rich young men to increase his own wealth and power. It was sociopathic, but it was understandable. All the others, though? It was pretty much "just because". |
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2020-11-19, 17:18 | Link #91 | |
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2020-11-19, 17:46 | Link #93 |
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It all feels like narrative convenience, that’s the problem.
This is a complex social problem the series is trying to address. It has great potential as narrative fodder but only if it’s presented with at least a modicum of nuance. So far...
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2020-11-19, 17:55 | Link #94 | |
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Class divide didn't come from corrupted nobility, but industrialisation which caused huge gap between rich and poor.
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I at least agree with that point. I can even say that Rurouni Kenshin is more nuanced when adressing the struggles of the people during the Meiji era.
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I didn't blame the nobles for class divide. I blamed the system.
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2020-11-20, 05:12 | Link #97 | |
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Except Victorian era was heavily influenced by evangelical morality. Slavery got abolished, animal cruelity got abolished and there was big movement meaningfully cut amount of child labour.
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It was also era rising rich bourgeoisie. Commoners that were basically equal to nobles in status. You would have pretty hard time to push noble superiority over commoners if bunch of those "commoners" could buy all of your estates twice.
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2020-11-20, 10:05 | Link #98 |
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For a good story about class conflict in Britain, I suggest episode five of the just-released season four of The Crown (Netflix). Talks about the spike in unemployment after the arrival of Margaret Thatcher (remarkably well personified by Gillian Anderson) and the gap between the royals and their hangers-on and the working class. Not the height of political sophistication but certainly better than Moriarty.
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2020-11-22, 18:10 | Link #100 |
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I know he was dumb and unstable at the best of times, but what did Enders fear, exactly? That he'd find himself in a Monty Python sketch?
- "It's him, your honor, he stabbed me in the heart and threw me overboard!" - "And now you're back on the ship and well enough to attend the ballet?" - "I got better and swam." Well, France had Vidocq, I guess. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2020-11-23 at 01:02. |
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