2021-06-06, 11:39 | Link #242 |
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I did a double take on that myself. Perhaps they wrote this script before COVID-19? Yesterday 10,240 deaths worldwide were estimated to be the result of the coronavirus. In the US alone, over three thousand people were reported to have died from the disease each day during last fall and this winter.
I was thinking it odd that we see few military AI in this story. No tanks, bombers, or even military satellites with ground-attack capabilities. (Archive has to crash apparently civilian spacecraft to carry out its ends.) Seems pretty unlikely to me that the world's militaries would just step aside and forego using AI technology to enhance weapons. The ethics of AI-driven military weapons is a hot subject right now. Archive's role in all this reminds me of Psycho-Pass, with a similar eminence grise. Can't say I liked that ending; hope Archive will be a better antagonist.
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2021-06-06, 12:15 | Link #244 |
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It could be that military systems are kept separate from the civilian AI network. Would you really want your nuclear missiles getting the same auto software updates as your vacuum cleaner?
Also, it's interesting to note that the Archive said it's mission is to wipe out the current human race and that it can no longer tolerate the current human race. It might be aiming for forced utopia instead of an AI only world...
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2021-06-06, 14:03 | Link #245 |
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Although it appears that Archive is the final boss, this show does go out of the way to be misleading, such as with Estella supposedly crashing the Sunrise Hotel, K-5, an AI Dr. Tatsuya had no affection for, being introduced as Grace, and Ophelia supposedly committing suicide. I'd say it's still unclear whether Archive is the the final boss even though it is possible. I'm not convinced that Archive would troll Vivy by having her song make the AIs go berserk.
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2021-06-06, 16:54 | Link #246 | |
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And on top of that this is basically a cop out ending. Because now they just have to stop the Archive and that will most likely stop the androids. It's an easy way out, so the show doesn't have to deal with the questions it raised, with the themes. This is not how you write good fiction.
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2021-06-06, 17:25 | Link #247 |
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here's what i think what happened and make sense for me, we where in a sort of "half loop", the first time all stuffs happened was different which means what started the war was different from the current one.
in the current timeline what activated the singularity was exactly they actions to prevent the "other one" it's like terminator where don't matter what they try to do to prevent the war, aways something will happen to start the war, it will be just a "different thing" or something like that, then in this new timeline they efforts caught the attention of the archive, they used the archive to talk about it, then the archive learned about the future then each thing happened the archive just witness trought vivi all the pain and suffer she was getting all the suffer of the machines and it started to change the archive to think which humans are just monsters trying to destroy the machines and diva/vivi suffered too much then archive decided to start herself the "singularity as a way for payback for all the suffer vivi had to endure from all the crap they throw to her.
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2021-06-06, 18:22 | Link #249 |
is this so?
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one easy way to have a season 2.. for example, here at end of season 1, they shut down the server of the Archive at the tower... but it would be later revealed it has backup server somewhere else as a teaser for the next season.
although not sure if extending this anime would be a good thing..
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2021-06-06, 20:21 | Link #250 |
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He had a child?!
When?! Where?! He had time to romance around?! If you are gonna do the "He had a child" route, you didn't have to turn him into a robot just to get him to antagonize another generation. BTW, the current world population is 7.9 billion. 10000 died when AI around the world revolted. Humans apparently only have guns because... uhh... Sure. These AI suck ass at killing people, clearly.
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2021-06-06, 20:28 | Link #251 |
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I really hope there is no Season 2. Vivy is fine as a standlone 1-cour series. It does not need a second cour.
And I'm just going to toot my own horn for confidently claiming that Matsumoto was never evil in the first place. I knew people were jumping to conclusions based off of what they were accustomed to seeing in other stories. I had been preaching all along that if Matsumoto had been evil that it would literally destroy the entire premise of the show, so I'm glad I was right about that as making Matsumoto evil would have been a sure way to ensure that Vivy ended up as a train wreck. It would have been making Matsumoto evil for the sake of it instead of for a logical reason. |
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I'm not seeing the issue with this plot twist at all. In fact makes so much sense with the setting than something like Matsumoto is evil cause "red eyes" & he let some people die in event was outside the scope of his mission. Nevermind if he were than he literally just have do nothing or let Vivy get destroyed nullifying the very point he came to the past to begin with
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As for 2nd point, Al killed that many because had quickly becasue it was sudden & literally no defense against it. At that point AI are everywhere in the world they couldn't be shutdown due to the Archive overriding them. For that matter none of guns being used in the show are normal ones like we have so I'm not sure what issue you have with tthem. They aren't firing lead bullets or something. Quote:
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2021-06-07, 08:15 | Link #254 |
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Not sure if it is an "impressive twist" when it came out of nowhere, with zero foreshadowing. Maybe they can deliver that in the next episode by pointing out all the things we overlooked, but I'm kinda doubtful.
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2021-06-07, 15:25 | Link #256 |
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What exactly did Vivy "save" Dr. Matsumoto from? He claims during the initialization point of the project(when the robots were about to kill him in the room) that she saved him from "rock bottom". I don't see where this event actually happened. He didn't have any friends in the beginning as a kid, but had no kind of looks of despair or anything; seemed like simply a big fan of Diva when they first met. Even without Diva, he seemed capable of building his life, which he did and only came to talk to Diva every once in a while.
Now the previous timeline had a "different" Diva, instead of Vivy, so its possible something different happened then but... I terms of the current timeline, I just think this doesn't make much sense :thinking:.
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Because every single arc in this anime has been solved with violence. Quote:
I actually can't think of how it would make sense, so saying that is probably unfair. Quote:
They never really explained or hinted at what actually started the AI war. It always felt like more of a way to jumpstart each arc. It never seemed important. Honestly, I just stopped wondering about why it started. So when the anime comes along and says "it was the Archive along!" my reaction is just "oh okay". Especially when the Archive has been such a non-entity this entire time. As a funny aside, the Sunrise plot twist of "it was actually Estella's evil sister!" is the same plot twist of "So I Married an Axe Murderer". |
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From several episodes ago, Matsumoto's deduction is that Ophelia's suicide might give other AIs bad ideas. So, he must altered the history. Somehow, the history led to the decision of the Archive. Quote:
Elizabeth is the exact replica of Estella's AI code, but the AI failed to do same task as the original. No explanation was given other than the new hardware is incompatible with the original's code. Since Elizabeth could not be the backup AI for Estella, she was trashed by researchers. Elizabeth was salvaged by the terrorist group and reprogramming tto be their fighting machine. She was defeated by Vivy in martial art tournment. She decided to stay on the ship as Estella. The terrorist groupd still had their backed up copy of Elizabeth AI code. |
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There was no martial arts tournament. Elizabeth did not stay on the ship as Estella as the reformatting virus reset Elizabeth to its original condition as Elizabeth. Yes, Toak did have Elizabeth's experience data backed up, which allowed Elizabeth to be salvaged, but predictably so, this version of Elizabeth remarks that it isn't the same as the Elizabeth Vivy knew because merely backing up and reloading experience data does not mean it experienced what Elizabeth did, so this Elizabeth in Episode 11 is a functionally different character. |
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