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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 242 | 59.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 109 | 26.78% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 6.88% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 3.19% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 1.72% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.74% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.49% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.25% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.49% | |
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2008-04-04, 11:34 | Link #1001 | |
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Of course, there is no real basis for this, but if the press ever got hold of this and speculated upon it, it may well cause an internal upheaval in their respective societies. |
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2008-04-04, 13:09 | Link #1003 |
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A lot of people have been calling the EF a ridiculous proposal. Something that would lever happen in the real world. I don't think that its all that far fetched.
I actually found it a bit odd that the three coalitions were formed around the elevators in the fist place. People hate the idea of a unified military because it interferes with any traditional notions of sovereignty. Despite the extreme dependency on the solar elevators I don't see why the countries dissolved there boundaries to that degree. Perhaps the Asians coalesced first and the Americans/Europeans jumped into suit out of fear. Either way after the unions formed, those individuals who resisted the change, may have been disenfranchised. At this point, and the people in power would be the ones most likely to support Unity between the nations. I think it still leaves us with an unanswered question. What was the catalyst for the shift into the EF? People in high-power political positions rarely push change especially the kind that creates an authority that they have to answer to. As for CB they i can't see them as having had too much of an effect. The joint military operations aren't going to cause any real political headway. At best their message of ending war could cause people to try to create a peace keeping force; however, that seems a bit contrived to me. Whatever happened i hope the writers elaborate heavily on the events of the four year hiatus. |
2008-04-04, 13:21 | Link #1004 |
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anybody notice that livonze's team isn't 6 people, it's made up of three sets of clones?
I really doubt that isn't with tierria's situation. I mean the only diffrences between all these charachters is there hair! (anime lol) I hope there connected through some kind of wireless telepathy thing, it would be pretty cool if they could even 2 person pilot mobile suits |
2008-04-04, 14:47 | Link #1005 | |
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by the way how did shinn fail?did he fail cause he wasn't yet another accidental pilot? or was it because she gave cagalli the shouting she deserved? my thoughts on the episode. for starters at first i was worried this would be like code geass but fortunetlty I was wrong, and yes I know I can't stop bashing code geass at least I'm aware of it. alejandro when he started to act he was an interesting traitor villian but soon he became boring fortunetly in this episode he's interesting again. he clearly had a god complex which works well with his MA's/MS's design.finally the manipulator revealed to be a pawn was sheer genius. the sergei,soma, and h/allelujah sub plot well the season 1 "conclusion" to this sub plot was far different from what I expected, h/allelujah's relation with each other has changed from the beginning now they're pulling off a Gotenks fusion! as for hallelujah's apparent death as I mention in their character disscusion thread this will likely means allelujah will take on some of hallelujah's character traits since hallelujah existed to do what allelujah wanted to do but couldn't due to his nature. as sergei and soma, well soma got the knock down she needed and segei isn't dead and heis reminded that soma is human.(don't know what to make of the whole soma/mary thing) tieria not much to say, his change is the most obvious out of all the 4 er 3. he was a cold hearted bastard at the start but then lockon and the other miesters changed him. I do wonder if he's really dead, that person with louise looks alot like him. by the way if the person that looks like tieria has been said to be a women then why does she look more manly then tieria? Graham I was quite pleased with his scenes, i enjoy any character that knows the "score"probably why I liked lloyd from code geass. in the beginning his feelings towards gundam could once be called love but it evolved into hatred. he's a man who's been mocked, failed as a commander and had his freinds killed. his interaction with setsuna was the best part of the episode but more on that later. Graham's mask is awsome. Also on a final note I plan on writing a fanfic on him that's about his changes through out the series. the battles it's been a long time since I've seen mech battles that epic. it was nice to see good old mobile suit (and "fighter") vs mobile armor. the sergei and soma vs HAllelujah was full of suspense and action. setsuna finishing off alejandro with all 7 swords was one of the best moments in the episode. while GN flag vs exia battle last only around 3 minutes it was the best battle in the episode. another thing i liked is the character interactions that occur during the battles. setsuna and marinna setsuna is a unique main character not sure why. setsuna has changed from the beginning, he's alot more open. setsuna dosen't understand the world, he doesn't understand evil or why people fight pointlessly something he shares incommon with marinna which is probably why I don't have problem with their relationship. status quo what annoys most about code geass( besides suzaku,strong anti-american vibes, how it treats women ,inconsitancies, unoriginal plot, du ex machinas,lack of real plot and character development, and nina) is that after 25 episode they essentially go right back to episode 1, fortunetly that's not what happened here. an earth federation is formed, if U.C. taught me one thing it's don't trust the E.F. ribbonz has his own faction, some characters have changed, as for patrick his survival is explained with the revelation that the gnx cockpit is located at the *cough* lower region, honestly his survival surprised me more than ali's. i believe setsuna,tieria and allejulah to be alive. man I meant to post this 4 days ago,I'm must be the world's biggest procastinator. if this episode told anything it was me my decision to drop code geass was as good as val kilmer's decision to drop out of batman and robin.(he never made a better decision in his life.)
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2008-04-04, 19:58 | Link #1006 | ||
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These traditional elements will of course not prevent me to watch a Gundam series if it the rest is good enough, but I don't want these traditional elements to be used as templates of characters or stories, else it is just stereotypes and it is what may kill a saga as long as Gundam. I honestly think that some directors thought that putting a mask on their characters and give them blond hairs would automatically allow them to rip off some of Char's charisma (and Graham was charismatic enough right from the start to not even need that) and make their characters/villains popular. Now, it will perhaps sound a bit contradictory, but maybe I would have been happier with Graham being masked right from the start... Now that Graham has a mask, it means the writers will have to force his own personality to fit into the mold of the masked man (in at least all or some of the most important aspects : revenge, mystery, hidden past and connections, etc). I can see creating a character from a template and make him develop over the time to drift away from this template and become his own character, but doing it the other way around seems risky. The masked man is a not only a traditional element but also a symbol which should follow some codes : if they gave a masked man the personality of Judau Ashta, it would definitely feel weird and we know it can't happen because of the meaning of the mask. Being a masked man in Gundam implies you have to do certain things and act a certain way or there is no point wearing a mask in the first place : that's what I'm afraid of, but after all, like with most things in 00, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and see how it turns out... Many other traditional elements in Gundam, though do not disturb me : as I said, I have no problem with Haro, and no problems with the main Gundam being blue and in general having a V-Fin : Turn-A tried to be innovative here and I don't think it has really done it much good ) Quote:
And to be honest, I'm rather happy it didn't end after Turn A, and it is not like Tomino Gundams were flawless either and other directors are free to give it a try and some didn't do worse than him. What I mean when I said that Gundam didn't really need a prequel was that effort was made to close it at the end, with Turn A (as illegitimate as it may be in this role) supposed to be the end of Gundam with Tomino having to carry the weight of a legacy he didn't request nor want for most) so do we need an effort to "close" the beginning as well ? Besides, if by prequel we mean "what happened before the colonies were built and space migration started", then 00 may not be the best candidate to fill that role. The reason for space migration in UC was overpopulaton and world pollution (the one having more or less caused the second). However, this subject has not even been brushed at all in 00. For all we know so far, people not at war are living happily and do not necessarily die of starvation (third-world probably still exists there, but nothing implies it is worse than today except maybe for countries having based their whole economy on Petrol like Azadistan). Gundam 00 so far has not shown much people living in space (aside from CB and that HRL super-soldiers colony) and currently lacks any valid reason to send people off to space and start building colonies... |
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2008-04-04, 20:23 | Link #1007 | |
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2008-04-04, 20:32 | Link #1008 | |
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Ali could get away with "It would be a corporate secret" when asked how he managed to gundamjack Zwei, because a was a mere soldier and there were more urgent matters to take care of, but how a UN diplomat was able to get access to such a technology should raise some serious questions inside the ranks of the power blocs... What would he answer ? He was a member of CB and was working for them ? Would you trust a former spy/double-agent at a major and sensitive position when he betrayed already ? Alejandro didn't understand his life ended with the demise of the Gundam : as things stand, I think the plan was to replace CB with his own army of GN-Units maybe piloted by Innovators to threaten the power blocs and rule the world with an iron first through his superior technology... Alejandro was useless at his point to both Livonze and the World powers : as Livonze said : his arrogance is precisely what made him a small man because he was too self-centered to see what was going to happen next. I'm still curious how he he was planning to face an army of potentialy hundreds of GN-Units at once. He could have threatened to destroy the orbital elevators (*insert his evil laughter here*), but as 4tran says, we don't know enough about his plans after all and we may never know ever since S2 will have a lot to cover to go back to old events with many details. |
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2008-04-04, 20:44 | Link #1009 | |
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Char : hide past + revenge Quattro Bajeena (do sunglasses count ? ) : hide past. Rau : hide wounds/monstruous face + hide past + revenge (complete collection !). Neo : hide past (prevent people from recognizing him) Graham : hide wounds/monstrous face + revenge. Except Rau, no masked character assume all the three aspects of the mask, which is why I said "in at least all or some of the most important aspects". Graham has two reasons that made him eligible for a mask, which is more than Neo, who had a single one and the least charismatic of them all. |
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2008-04-04, 21:26 | Link #1010 | |
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To complete the cycle of reasons for wearing a mask: Karozzo - to hide himself from himself Cronicle - to hide himself from allergy due to the Earth's dust Schwarz - to hide identity Ulube - to hide wounds Zechs - to hide past & identity Jamil - to hide past Harry Ord - to hide the fact that other than his visors he only has his ugly thick-framed glasses to wear I think Neo's reason really ain't that bad compared to a few others, of course, if he had a reason at all.
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2008-04-04, 21:42 | Link #1011 |
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Don't forget the glasses guys...
Harry Ord Jamil Neate Quattro Bajeena^^ They are part of the masked guy theme...Even Chronicle Asner with his breath mask, Corrozo with the iron-mask, and Schawrz from G Gundam aswell... Sorry I'm about to hit up the club, I'll respond to the rest in kind later...Brace for it, I'm gonna get deep on the mask $hit next post... EDIT: Damn you again brightman! That's twice in a week I think...
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2008-04-04, 22:30 | Link #1012 | |
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It was a calculated risk and stopping the Gundams and their ramapage, with the probable boon of aquiring their unique method of energy generation were well worth the risk, which was actually very small. Practically non-existent. |
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2008-04-04, 23:23 | Link #1013 | |
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And of course, the trap made the point that they are taking advantage of CB willing to risk their own lives going into a trap to stop terrorists. Does that sound like noble behavior to you? They KNOW CB will stop terrorists at all costs. What would you think if in Gotham City, cops wanting to capture Batman for his vigilante ways, leave a bank robbery alone so they can charge in when Batman is done saving the people?
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2008-04-05, 01:16 | Link #1014 |
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More like to hide his real identity, along with the name change. (Though I'm still hoping the movie will declare him a clone.)
As for Graham, I hope his mask is somehow being used to help with an injured face besides merely hiding it. Otherwise, I would be disappointed. With his pride and obsession for the gundams, I would think he'd want to show the battle scar he got from battling Exia. That is, assuming he has any facial injury (it would suck if he doesn't and still wear a mask.) |
2008-04-05, 02:05 | Link #1015 | ||
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2008-04-05, 02:30 | Link #1016 | |
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I keep mentioning how President Brian never got offended by CB's actions, and describes them as doing Union's duties for them. There simply wasn't any evidence that there was any outrage or anger on the part of the Union government concerning CB, up to the point when the Thrones start to blow up military bases indiscriminately. Union didn't try to steal the Gundams because CB was "wrong", Union never gave a damn if CB was wrong or not. Morality was only an issue to CB itself, all three world powers were only interested in politics and increasing military might. There was a split down the middle in public opinion concerning CB's legitimacy. It simply wasn't as cut-and-dry as you claim it was.
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2008-04-05, 06:52 | Link #1017 | ||
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As for Neo, Mwu being the sort of living legend he should be as "The Hawk of Endymion", I would bet his face is pretty well known by a lot of people in the OMNI Military he was originally from and was back as Neo. The risk of people recognizing him and shouting "You're a MWU !" was too high... And it just looks fearsome for the commander of a black-squad like Phantom Pain to wear a mask, a mask always adding to the character charisma in Gundam (by actually borrowing Char's). Quote:
Besides, Gundam X being an "as if" of what may have happened if the One Year War ended for the worst, Jamil stands as the equivalent of Amuro rather than Char's. So while Jamil indeed wears glasses which is a toned-down version of the mask, he managed to not follow the masked-man codes, so I guess there is hope for Graham. Last edited by Vorenus; 2008-04-05 at 07:11. |
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2008-04-05, 07:16 | Link #1018 | |
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And they don't know what Celestial Being will do. That's the whole point. They can make a guess based upon their previous behavior, but since they don't know anything about their leaders or organization, only that they use Gundams they have no idea what really makes them tick. Of course they didn't really explain that in the series since it'd make Celestial Being look bad. It probably wouldn't be a popular move on the cops part, and the nuclear bait move wouldn't have been a popular move on the pols part if people had been aware of it. That doesn't matter though. Quote:
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