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2008-02-25, 23:29 | Link #482 | |
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i know this was mostly just based towards christianity... which in that case does only refer to him as either the "father" or "he" or atleast in a methodist congregation.... i also just dont understand why people just infer that the great spirit (going to use native american terms now) is a god, using the language to insist that it is genderized in terms of such great spiritual force being male and yes i understand that this time is quite away from women suffrage but it seems to me that in other cases of the bible it states that woman are indeed a man's property and it just depicts how women are always seen as the ones who need to be "released of their sin" more when opposed to men... like mary for instance.... but i guess this is where the point of view comes as the bible was written by men : / sorry but i have a very feminist attitude when it comes to things like this |
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2008-02-25, 23:32 | Link #483 | |
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2008-02-25, 23:38 | Link #484 | ||
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Personally, I find it a weak argument, because it does beg the question of what "caused" God to exist. However, an easy way out of this objection is to point out that He is outside of time/space as we know it. Time did not exist before God, so asking what came before Him is somewhat meaningless. Quote:
Anyway, gender is a side issue as far as I'm aware. It matters more whether you are able to build a personal relationship with Him (or Her). From my point-of-view, humans made God in their image, rather than the other way round. So, um, go with whichever "image" makes you more comfortable, I guess? |
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2008-02-26, 00:49 | Link #485 | |||
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2008-02-26, 01:47 | Link #486 | ||
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I'm hardly in a position to argue for God's existence. I was merely stating a counter-argument I often hear. As I've said, I find it a weak explanation. In any case, so what if you can "prove" that God doesn't exist? It's not going to stop people from believing in Him. (Note: disregard the problematic semantics, I know you can't prove a negative.) In the insistence on having rational explanations for God, we tend to forget that faith doesn't require proof. It's an assumption based on personal feelings. Ironically, the attempt to prove God's existence betrays a certain lack of faith. Genuine theists are seldom concerned about whether God, in fact, exists. It's the non-believers who kick up a fuss over the issue, and many religious people feel the need to defend their faith as a result. Ultimately, I find religious experience to be something akin to having a revelation, a sudden inspiration that instantly clarifies everything you believe about life. My moment of revelation came when I suddenly realised that I could understand morality without reference to a divine entity. I subsequently realised that we, everyone of us, perceive "reality" from a unique perspective. Some of us are delusional, some of us are genuinely inspired, but individually, we can't tell the difference. It's up to someone else to tell us whether we are making sense. In other words, the revelation needs to be something that can be shared, otherwise it's fairly pointless. Hence, religion. And hence, my personal brand of secular humanism. |
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2008-02-26, 07:10 | Link #487 | |
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I can't believe you still don't want to understand this.
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2008-02-26, 08:05 | Link #488 | |||
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Rationality and faith don't mix. I accept that. But if you want a meaningful discussion, if you want to do more than just say "X is my belief, even though I have no rationale for it", then you need a minimum of logic. So, take your pick. Either argument A is weak, because so and so... Or argument A is irrelevant, because you've thrown rationality out the window, and don't want to discuss your beliefs, other than to state them. Quote:
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2008-02-26, 20:21 | Link #493 | |
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Anything is possible - maybe God is like that. But to assume it would cause more confusion about God. The only real-life example I can give you of what I mean is this: we previously assumed that all life was carbon-based, and when we sent out space probes that searched for life they sought out traces based on the life we know. Only more recently have scientists started to wonder (and attempted to create) life that was not carbon-based. We haven't found any yet, but if we did I could really prove my point perfectly and say that if we'd approached everything based on what we know, we'd miss out on new discoveries. It may be the same with God. Trying to approach and explain the subject of God with the science that we know may cause us to miss an understanding of something else. I don't know, it's just a thought. For the record, I value science more highly than religion, but I value the open curiosity of the scientist more than anything. Note to self: Physics, string theory, dark matter Who's writing your science textbooks? Think carefully about that in light of what you wrote.
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2008-02-27, 19:55 | Link #495 | ||
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oh and i guess i never really answered this thread's question after all this well right now i am not entirely sure... personally i am against organized religion in general but i guess if i had to choose.... the closest religion i guess i am to is Unitarian Universalism Quote:
yeah.... my friend is a pastafarian too XD ahhh omg this just made me day ahhh by the way if you wanna see just how ignorant christians can sometimes be and why i mostly dislike them.... or if you just want a REALLY good laugh go read the hate mail at venganza.com.... its just SO nice and peaceful... i just love it Last edited by NoSanninWa; 2008-02-28 at 00:05. Reason: merged 4 posts together. |
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2008-02-28, 00:00 | Link #496 | |
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And please use the edit button =.=;;
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2008-02-28, 20:51 | Link #497 | |
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In that case, since there are a lot after all, than I can safely assume they are PARTIALLY responsible for ALMOST everything that happens in our world. Thank you undefined terms . Which really since there is a variation, there are different situations and some which have more power than others. Probably right now, religious people alone(this is not including the effect of religion itself, which is much bigger) are responsible for nearly everything going on. Amazing. |
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2008-02-29, 14:28 | Link #499 |
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well, there's no discussion because its Youtube --- he can be all output without having his reasoning challenged and having to defend it
But Pat Condell and George Carlin (an American satirist/comic) share a lot of traits and opinions -- though over the years I think Carlin has just gotten bitter whereas Condell has been able to stay actively on the offensive. But I'm in substantial agreement with his well-articulated views about such malarkey as "religious insensitivity" (pointing out the emperor's lack of clothing) and allowing the extremist behavior of any religion to get a free pass from secular civility.
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