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[Plant42]

Just found some interesting things during Touma vs Fiamma part.
Fiamma is the same as Touma, he's born with the power of Holy Right.
And he said in P.88 that it's a power that resides in him.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Well, Aleister is not limited to one number, right? What if he's also Index?

It makes no sense since it was Index the one who blew away his favorite satellite along with his Tree Diagram.

Originally Posted by Plant42

Just found some interesting things during in Touma vs Fiamma .
Fiamma is the same as Touma, he's born with the power of Holy Right.
And he said in P.88 that it's a power that resides in him.

One born with the power of Michael, another with two differents powers within him, both, overwhelming Michael.

Glad to see that info so that means, as long asa Fiamma is alive he still can keep his Holy Right powers, of course, the guy needs some healing first before joining to story this time with protagonic roles as the... hero? anti-hero? anti-villain?

[giorno]

What if Index is a homunculus created by Aleister? °___°

oh, and we definitely need an explanation as to how Aleister could have been defeated in the past, when he was able to overpower Fiamma like that...

[Used Can]

It was an accident. I've also broke my favourite toys, accidentally, when I was a kid.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Used Can

It was an accident. I've also broke my favourite toys, accidentally, when I was a kid.

I hope you are joking all Aleister's doing are "Just as planned":

-Accelerator awakens.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

- Fiamma starts the WW3.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

- Index rapes Accelerator's wallet
* Aleister: Just as planned!

Originally Posted by giorno

What if Index is a homunculus created by Aleister? °___°

I don't think Aleister will make a homunculous of himself and then gift it to the magic side just for the lulz, maybe a homunculous made by the magic side, mmm... something like... yeah, my theories, again:

Magic Side HQ: " Aleister's daughter is dead! Her corpse can be of great use".

So, using forbidden magic and using Aleister's blood heritage through the dead corpse of her daughter they made a replica of a human being similar to Aleister. Maybe they planned to use it against Aleister but then the news about his death started so they used changed the prioritues and used it to keep all the magic including Aleister's works.

This doesn't mean she is a monster, but can explain he large apetite like FMA's Gluttony(?), ok, just joking.

[Plant42]

Originally Posted by outerelf

Glad to see that info so that means, as long asa Fiamma is alive he still can keep his Holy Right powers, of course, the guy needs some healing first before joining to story this time with protagonic roles as the... hero? anti-hero? anti-villain?

Yes, he still can fight though it's look like he's in his power down state(may be his pre vol.20 state).
When he called the third arm to faught with Aleister, he thought "Though I can't control it at will now, it still be able to fight"(may be it's because he lost his support from Index-mote plus he lost his right arm)
But yeah we all know that in Index the characters who were in a power down state can still be bad ass(Acqua) and even gets a key to the stronger power(Accel).
There's highly a chance he and Aurrelus will use their knowledges to strenghten each others and gains the power of Horus.

[SuzushinaYuriko]

Originally Posted by BakaOnna

Spoiler for scene:

A still silence engulfed the white field of snow.

Accelerator ended his song. The tip of the staff supporting him slipped as he laid on the ground. Falling from his knees, his entire body was covered in red blood. Within this Hell of white refusing any changes of colour, he alone issued his own colour, with his wound, and his pain.

He rasped, coughing out a breath from a throat that had surpassed its limit. Perhaps he was hurt on the inside as well - a red liquid came pouring out at times, mixed with the coughs.

He can't sing any more than this.

Something sticky was blocking the passage inside him.

However,

Accelerator's lips, stained with red and black, slackened slightly. That's it, he thought. There's no need to sing any more, because,

"Misaka Misaka asks... are... are you okay...?"

Within his clouded perception, he heard a small voice.

It was words that he had always heard coming from the girl - phrases from a girl who just moments before couldn't even be kept at the minimum limit for life, let alone remain conscious. By her tone, small and yet showing that she had regained her core, Accelerator became convinced.

That it was a dangerously unreliable existence, one that shook and may even fade away at any moment. And that in its heart, there stood a pillar which will never fade.

Last Order has been stabilised.

She wouldn't have to be tormented by all this excessive violence any more.

Accelerator thoroughly reflected on this. And before he had realised, his body had moved. The Level-5 - the one they had called the greatest monster of Academy City - reached out with his shaking hands and pulled Last Order close, embracing the small, powerless body.

Powerfully,

as though refusing to let go a second time.

"...Thank you..."

The words came out bit by bit.

His voice shook, and not simply because of his body, ragged inside and out.

"...Damn it, thank you... thank God...!!"

Perhaps with the original Accelerator, these words would be impossible.

However, what would be the basis for this 'original'? Perhaps this was who he truly was. Perhaps, before all the tragedies, before the young Level-5 was swallowed by the 'darkness' of Academy City, the 'original' was a child who would laugh, and who would cry, at the slightest things.

Though now tainted by overwhelming evil, 'that' did not change within him.

And perhaps this was what Yoshikawa Kikyou and Yomigawa Aiho saw - what the 'society of adults' had tried to protect.

For a long time, Last Order could only retain her consciousness in disconnected segments - she had no way of understanding the full circumstances.

Yet, it didn't matter.

Last Order, closely held by Accelerator, reached her small hand around him, and slowly patted him on the back.

As though accepting him.

And most likely, in the same way as when she first saw that 'something' that was left in him from the very beginning.

"-"

Accelerator thought while continuing to confirm the warmth he had finally recovered.

Truly, this world was cold, strict, and filled with a senseless amount of malice.

But at the same time, there was something he saved.

If you could just extend your hand with your own will. If you could just clench your teeth and move forward. At the end of all your struggles, the light does exist. The world was not so filled with despair that it would steal away this one ray of light.

"I'd hate to put a damper in this emotional reunion,"

That was when it happened.

Misaka Worst, standing beside them, spun out these words with the thorns of caution.

"But I don't think this shitty war's going to be end with a happy ending just yet."

Before he could turn his neck and confirm his surroundings, Accelerator felt something abnormal.

Chills ran up his spine.

It was a horrible feeling, like the skin of his entire body being cut open and having something cold shoveled in. Or was it the opposite? Was it that his insides shook so much that it reached outside his skin? It didn't matter. The most important thing was that it wasn't one of the normal five senses. The sensors of the body and the operational circuit of the brain began to malfunction as it took in information which cannot be accepted.

There was an enormous pressure coming from directly above.

Unabara Mitsuki, the Angel of Water, and the Lambskin - it was something even more incredibly concentrated that what was released by any of them...

Accelerator, still holding Last Order in his arms, cast his gaze at the sky.

The giant fortress was floating there.

The golden light which completely buried the sky was being absorbed by the fortress. This false feeling of electricity coursing under his skin came from this giant force of power concentrated at one point. It was like standing at the tip of a spear. This mass of unknown power was being aimed at the surface.

He didn't know what purpose this fortress serves.

He didn't understand what would happen if that spearhead was pointed towards the ground.

But,

"...looks like it won't be good for anyone if that thing gets fired."

Perhaps its objective was not simply to destroy. Perhap it had a special effect when fired into the ground. But it made no difference. The scale of damage would be unthinkable if that much power were to hit the ground. And if what he felt on his skin was true, that this wasn't simply a 'power of science' but a different kind of energy, then Accelerator's 'Redirection' wouldn't work against it.

If it gets through, everyone will be killed.

Accelerator, Misaka Worst, Last Order... none of them would be left.

"...Screw that."

As soon as he muttered this,

with a sound like an explosion, wings like jet-black ink sprouted from Accelerator's back - those black wings that symbolised his anger. They were an enormous power filled with mystery, without using any power borrowed from the Misaka Network, and quite possibly unstoppable by even Last Order's forced suspension. In fact, as soon as those wings appear, Accelerator will almost certainly undergo a loss of mental equilibrium; they came when he wished to kill the opponent before him, even if he had to throw away all his morals and principles. He, along with the killing intent in his heart bursting out in the form of those black wings, will violate the world. It can't be helped - that was the kind of power it was.

Like it was something wringed out from inside him by the pressure from the fortress in the sky.

Like the time when he confronted that Aiwass.

However,

"...Misaka Worst,"

Accelerator softly whispered those words.

"I'll stop that thing. You think you can take care of the kid?"

"From the Russian side? Or from Academy City?"

"From everything."

Misaka Worst sighed at the unreasonable order. Making an enemy of both sides would be the same as fighting against the combined might of every participant in the Third World War.

However, a malicious smile appeared as she took out an iron spike from her pocket.

"Well, it's obvious that it'll be them who end up crying, and this doesn't change what has to be done. If the 'song' inside Last Order and the Misaka Network can be analysed, there will be plenty of chances to acquire 'technology not found in Academy City'."

Perhaps these bewildering events caused Last Order to remember her unease. Her small hand grabbed onto Accelerator's coat tightly.

"Misaka Misaka is asking you, where are you going?"

The eyes that looked up at him from within his embrace trembled.

She had probably understood that Accelerator was going to leave now - which is why she now has to stop it.

"Misaka Misaka wants to make sure - you're not going anywhere, are you?"

"I don't need you worrying about me. This'll be over soon."

I'll come back, I'll return - Accelerator did not say any of this.

The monster with the black wings gently moved away the fingers of the girl holding onto him, one by one - as though cutting away at the last shackles that held him on the surface.

"Please don't,"

Last Order murmured.

"Misaka Misaka, wants to be with you forever."

"...Yeah,"

Accelerator accepted that.

At the very end, he answered with a childish smile.

"I wanted to be with you forever, too."

With a sound like a cracking glacier, the colour of the monster's wings changed - from dark ink-black, to pure snow-white. From root to tip, from inside to outside, in a single instant, its colour changed.

On top of his head, a small ring of the same colour appeared.

This was his transformation.

The change in consciousness that becomes the source spitting out this unique power into the real world.

Accelerator put both his hands on Last Order's shoulders, pressed onto them lightly, and using that recoil, his body gently floated upwards, like an astronaut in space.

Last Order's small hands reached out to Accelerator floating in the air.

But she can't reach him.

Accelerator had already floated up several metres.

That was fine.

With that conviction, Accelerator beat him white wings. The giant 100-metre wings changed from using simply the wind to some unknown power of levitation. Without any additional force towards the ground, Accelerator shot straight up like a cannonball.

In a single instant,

Accelerator ascended 3000 metres, hovering in the air, scattering the edges of the heavy clouds.

At the same time, the fortress in the sky moved.

The mass of golden power, absorbed from the top and concentrated at the bottom, was fired downwards without mercy. He felt on his face a pressure like an electrifying numbness. As expected, it wasn't a normal power, just like Accelerator's white wings. Most likely, even 'Redirection' wouldn't work. It will probably go straight through, just like when he was defeated by Aiwass.

And so what?

Accelerator moved his white wings further, greatly accelerating upwards - heading straight towards the golden mass without any pretenses. There was a slight smile on his lips.

I get it - Accelerator finally thought.

This is what it means to fight to protect.

Immediately after,

8000 metres in the air, two great powers collided.

;_________; OH MY GOD THAT IS SUCH A WONDERFULLY TOUCHING SCENE. This just reinforces the fact that Accel definitely deserves his place as my favorite character of all time. When he said "I wanted to be with you forever, too." and smiled, I felt like my heart would break.

"This is my victory march, you stupid bastards."

Badass Accel is badass. I can't wait to see what he's going to do to Gakuen Toshi.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

I hope you are joking all Aleister's doing are "Just as planned":

-Accelerator awakens.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

- Fiamma starts the WW3.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

- Index rapes Accelerator's wallet
* Aleister: Just as planned!

-Get drunk on Friday night.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

-Shit happens as a side effect.
* Aleister: FUCK!

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Plant42

Yes, he still can fight though it's look like he's in his power down state(may be his pre vol.20 state).
When he called the third arm to faught with Aleister, he thought "Though I can't control it at will now, it still be able to fight"(may be it's because he lost his support from Index-mote plus he lost his right arm)

For me this means Fiamma should find a way to control his power by himseld instead relying on tools or artifacts.

Originally Posted by Plant42

But yeah we all know that in Index the characters who were in a power down state can still be bad ass(Acqua) and even gets a key to the stronger power(Accel).

Accelerator is a good example, Acqua become badass at the max. potence but still lose even more power as exchange during this war.
BTW, Is Index able to use magic or Laura's control is still there?

Originally Posted by Plant42

There's highly a chance he and Aurrelus will use their knowledges to strenghten each others and gains the power of Horus.

At this point I think Ollerus dropping his chance to become a God of Magic was just a lie.
Maybe he noticed the truth about the ages of gods and changed his way of developing his powers and now is searching the correct knowledge.
Isn't coincidence he just appeared after Aleister left the place.
Remember his power Hliðskjálf?

Originally Posted by wiki

In Norse mythology, Hliðskjálf is the high seat of Odin enabling him to see into all worlds with wisdom that would give him power in the nine worlds.

Originally Posted by Used Can

-Get drunk on Friday night with Heaven Canceller.
* Aleister: Just as planned!

-Shit happens as a side effect.
* Aleister: FUCK!

Fixed.

Shit happens = Shiage???

[giorno]

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

Badass Accel is badass. I can't wait to see what he's going to do to Gakuen Toshi.

my prediction for the upcoming arc: accelerator will manage to cause enough trouble to AC to force Aleister to come out in person. Aleister will then completely curb stomp his ass and turn him into a mindless pawn, since he still has uses for him. Then Shiage will eventualy "save" accelerator, and they will escape from AC...

[reaper with no name]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

MOAR TRANSLATION

Spoiler for More vol 22 Accelerator Translation:

Accelerator had fallen onto the top of the hill.

Neither Last Order nor Misaka Worst were here; there was simply white snow stretching endlessly all around. Accelerator had clashed with the mysterious mass of energy released from the fortress 8000 metres in the air, but not even he himself can understand what happened afterwards. The white wings had disappeared from his back. At the very least, judging from the fact that he was still alive, he had managed to barely stop a large destruction.

He can hear a loud noise.

It was a large twin-rotored transport helicopter. The giant mass of steel softly landed close to where Accelerator had collapsed, staring straight up into the sky. What came out from the opening sliding doors seemed more like an emergency rescue team than soldiers. They were wearing bulky spacesuit-like protection - he knew that they were lowering down a stretcher with belts.

It was a retrieval.

Accelerator remembered when he attacked Kihara Amata on September 30th. It was the same thing. A great struggle has passed, and a great chaos had been brought upon them. By entrusting the black elements of Academy City to process the situation, you sell out your own body to them, taking on their dirty work.

In the end, no matter how much you may resist, how far you may run - even if you leave Academy City and escape from Japan, it was too large a cycle to escape. He must have vaguely suspected this. Even more so than himself, the environments and conditions surrounding the Sisters and Last Order were too severe. It was unthinkable for them to be able to pass a normal life without the support of Academy City.

His powerless body was lifted onto the stretcher. After that, several layers of thick belts were wrapped around him. As though he was being transported like a piece of equipment... no, being transported like a weapon, Accelerator's body was placed inside the helicopter.

He did not resist.

Swaying heavily, the transport helicopter left the ground.

Secured by the belts, Accelerator absent-mindedly murmured.

"Where are those kids?"

"With another team."

This short phrase was the only reply.

Hah - Accelerator gave a short sigh.

"Then promise me this now. Don't ever give another order to use the brat or the Sisters as shields. Freeze the Third Season program. It's not a matter of killing them or making them. None of you will ever mess with any one of their lives again."

"..."

"And release the ones who are in situations like me. No one else will get dragged into the darkness and forced to do your dirty work, to be a shield for whoever and whatever you want. If I find proof of even one more case, my teeth will be at your throat. I will tear you all apart one by one, dozen by dozen."

"It seems you do not understand. You really believe you're in a position to bargain?"

"You're the one who needs to get it into your head."

It was just a single phrase.

Perhaps feeling the signal of danger, the researcher in the protective suit immediately put his hand around Accelerator's neck. His power was based on the proxy calculations of the Misaka Network; he was making sure of the switch which allowed Accelerator to access the Network.

However,

of all things, Accelerator turned this caution against him.

The instant the researcher's finger touched the switch, Accelerator, still bound by the belts, swung his neck. The finger pressing on the switch slid it as far as it can go.

His power was back.

The black belts restricting him were instantly shot away. The man in the protective suit was blown into the wall of the helicopter - deep cracks ran along the reinforced glass window. His surrounding colleagues stood up in panic, but it was too late.

"This is not, a negotiation. It is not a suggestion, not a trade, not a petition, not an agreement, not a compromise, not a surrender."

Accelerator's arm touched the side of the transport helicopter.

The piece of military-grade steel was instantly destroyed, ripped apart like paper. But the researchers in protective suits weren't paying attention to the large amount of cold air blowing in. The horror of not even knowing when the helicopter might crash swept over the entire cabin.

In their midst, the king of monsters who reigned through fear simply declared,

"This is my victory march, you stupid bastards."

And the kind /a/non who translated this said this was the last one as he's tired now. Oh well, fun while it lasted. He said he might comeback and see if he can do more in a few days though.

Jeez, they just keep getting more and more awesome, don't they?

[yuiichi9]

I hope that when aleister analyze fiamma's arm and find that there is no power in it he said just as planned. What happen with hazakiri after fighting with the angel? I wonder if in the end shiage end up living with rikuo as the girlfriend and mugino as the mistress lol.

[gaboratamer]

Dude, all the Mugino fans will commit suicide if that happens

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Maybe, but I don't think Touma will just take the place of God as the new absolute god, I think is TOUMA we are talking about, so I think he will just punch God in the face, tell him to not give up his creation and do the job properly since Touma isn't that experienced in that matter.
Which reminds me I read somewhere Imagine Breaker is only one of many names his power had within the story, which means there always existed "Touma" in the story, maybe was the previous one which destroyed Aleister's illusions back then on England. I can't think another way just look how he pwned Fiamma with his suprise attack.

He'll say "GIVE ME MY LUCK ASSHOLE"

[I_am_Kami]

1)Lets think of it like this. lets say that IB is a seal from god to hold lucifer who's inside touma and once IB which negates all mystical things unless they are too strong it supresses is taken off then lucifers power comes out.

2) The dragon also makes me wonder cuz lets say IB is a dragon cuz in all folk tales dragons can negate all magic.

[Suzuku]

Teh Ping finished chapter 3 of volume 11 btw.

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...me11_Chapter_3

[Marcus H.]

Summaries for Episodes 2 to 5

02: The Book of the Law
Orsola Aquinas, the Roman Catholic Church's Decoder who is able to decipher The Book of the Law, is abducted by the Amakusa Church. Meanwhile, Amakusa's former Priestess (read as Lady Pontiff) [Kaori] Kanzaki still cannot be reached. In fear of possible conflicts that may ensue, the Church of England (or Anglican Church) sends Stiyl Magnus.

03: Amakusa
Touma, together with Stiyl, rescues Orsola from the Amakusa while assassins lurk inside Parallel Sweets Park (or Wonderland). Somehow, Orsola manages to get out safely, while Stiyl is hurt in the rescue.

04: Sheol Fear
The Substitute Pontiff of the Amakusa Church, Saiji Tatemiya informs Touma and Stiyl that the Roman Catholic Church probably wants Orsola delivered to them to have her killed in secrecy. Just earlier, they are attacked by agents from the Roman Catholic Church and Saiji wants Touma to warn Stiyl that he is going to be dragged into a scandal that involves the Roman Catholic Church that he will not be able to intervene to.

05: Lotus Wand
The nuns of the Roman Catholic Church attack Touma and the others. With the sheer numbers of their enemy pressuring them, they flee to the nearest church and there, they polish up a plan to fight back. With the plans completed, Touma goes off alone to face the leader of the Roman Catholic Church nuns: Agnese Sanctis.

[Von Himmel]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Teh Ping finished chapter 3 of volume 11 btw.

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...me11_Chapter_3

Glad that the translation still going despite there's new volume come out in Japan...I thought he's going to postpone the translation because he's going to finish reading index vol 22 or something

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Summaries for Episodes 2 to 5

02: The Book of the Law
Orsola Aquinas, the Roman Catholic Church's Decoder who is able to decipher The Book of the Law, is abducted by the Amakusa Church. Meanwhile, Amakusa's former Priestess (read as Lady Pontiff) [Kaori] Kanzaki still cannot be reached. In fear of possible conflicts that may ensue, the Church of England (or Anglican Church) sends Stiyl Magnus.

03: Amakusa
Touma, together with Stiyl, rescues Orsola from the Amakusa while assassins lurk inside Parallel Sweets Park (or Wonderland). Somehow, Orsola manages to get out safely, while Stiyl is hurt in the rescue.

04: Sheol Fear
The Substitute Pontiff of the Amakusa Church, Saiji Tatemiya informs Touma and Stiyl that the Roman Catholic Church probably wants Orsola delivered to them to have her killed in secrecy. Just earlier, they are attacked by agents from the Roman Catholic Church and Saiji wants Touma to warn Stiyl that he is going to be dragged into a scandal that involves the Roman Catholic Church that he will not be able to intervene to.

05: Lotus Wand
The nuns of the Roman Catholic Church attack Touma and the others. With the sheer numbers of their enemy pressuring them, they flee to the nearest church and there, they polish up a plan to fight back. With the plans completed, Touma goes off alone to face the leader of the Roman Catholic Church nuns: Agnese Sanctis.

How'd u find this?

[Marcus H.]

Originally Posted by TJR

http://anime.webnt.jp/program/index....il&detail=4179

^ My source, creds to original poster.