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ookamigirl · 2012-08-19, 04:45

Two weeks are over. Time to get out!
They sure got a nice congratulations from the staff.
Who knew they'll be so happy just to see the sky.
Furuya sure had a nice time with his Idol ^^
Mutta and Serika ona date! Yeah right LOL
He's not that lucky.

Azuma Denton · 2012-08-19, 06:21

Arrrggghhh, i wanna know who is the chosen one from 3rd exam...
Anyway, a solid episode delivered again. Damn this serie really made me motivated each time i watch it.

Rahan · 2012-08-19, 06:42

So that's why Kenji doesn't have an afro wig in the opening ? He isn't going to follow Mutta, unlike Serika. (the parents don't count, I guess. They are parents of astronauts, they live in space already)

In Hibito's dance, the people wearing the wig are all astronauts or working for NASA.

Kanon · 2012-08-19, 06:47

Lol at the reveal they were at Jaxa all along. I should have seen this coming. The director of Jaxa is such a troll.

I'm pretty sure Serika won is one of the two who won. There's no way she is going to leave the series at this stage. That leaves either Nitta or Fukuda.

Spoiler for 22 preview:

It was nice to learn a bit more about Furuya's background. I understand why he idolizes that man now. He is the one that gave him a chance to make his dream come true. This also explains his complex about his height.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-08-19, 08:20

So the test is over and never met anyone from Team C. That'll be two brand new characters assuming Mutta actually makes it into the astronaut program.

I'll hazard a guess that the people retaking the test were all on Team C so as to maximize the effect of the green cards in the other two groups.

FlareKnight · 2012-08-19, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Lol at the reveal they were at Jaxa all along. I should have seen this coming. The director of Jaxa is such a troll.

I'm pretty sure Serika won is one of the two who won. There's no way she is going to leave the series at this stage. That leaves either Nitta or Fukuda.

Spoiler for 22 preview:

It was nice to learn a bit more about Furuya's background. I understand why he idolizes that man now. He is the one that gave him a chance to make his dream come true. This also explains his complex about his height.

I wasn't really surprised at the reveal since I kind of assumed this was the case. I mean a testing area like that could easily be done underground in Jaxa. Was pretty hilarious since I was just waiting for them to react to that if it was the case

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Spoiler for Ep22 preview:

Kirarakim · 2012-08-19, 10:03

So we know two out of Serika, Fukuda, and Nitta passed.

We know that guy that was given Kenji trouble on Team B passed and I assume the guy they mentioned who had the top score.

At first I thought everyone from Team A would pass the interview stage in Houston but the preview added a surprise loop to that

Spoiler for preview:

I love how everyone from Team A had dinner together showing that they all have truly become friends & the scenes with Furuya were excellent. I really enjoyed his characterization and I never thought I would love him as much as I ended up doing based on how he was at the start.

I might have criticized somethings in previous posts but the enclosed space arc was actually my favorite part of the series so far because of the chemistry of Team A. I ended up truly caring about every character and I will miss seeing them all work together.

Aesthetic Shampoo · 2012-08-19, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Spoiler for Ep22 preview:

I was in the same mindset as you, and after a bit of thinking (or deluding) i realized that previews are previews after all, so maybe the full sentence would be that they'll only choose one extra person...from each group. I hope i'm right

If Kenji doesn't make it, i can only see that the he will be demoted to less than a side character until he's used as a convenient plot device.

I was also shocked that the two that were chosen actually automatically got to advance further than the ones not chosen, after it was established that there was no guarantee that they would become astronauts. So after all that, just a couple of lousy interviews later and they're good to go? I was hoping that JAXA would not hold any regard to who was chosen and instead decide themselves based on everything they've seen, including how the two were chosen and reactions of the team members to it.

Kirarakim · 2012-08-19, 10:32

I was thinking I know this series is 4 cour which is excellent but the manga is still ongoing so even at 4 cour we might not get the whole story , that's a bit disappointing (unless someone reading the manga thinks it is finishing up)

There can always be a second season but it seems to get the full story we are on the whims of scanlators or it being picked up as a license.

I know I might be greedy but at this point I want the whole story.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-08-19, 10:39

Candidates who didn't pass don't get to become astronauts -- there's still wriggle room for JAXA to offer them jobs in other capacities. Like, oh, hiring an ex-car designer to work on a lunar rover. Which would also potentially allow Fukada to stay on as one of Mutta's colleagues and also bring in the suit designer as a major character.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-08-19, 13:41

Have you ever been walking down a busy street crowded with people, or driving in heavy traffic, and thought just for a moment “Every person I can see has their own story. They’re the center of their own universe.” That’s how watching Furuya’s tale play out this week made me feel, and it’s a sensation I’ve often had with this series, especially since the third exam started. Uchuu Kyoudai takes on only a small segment of the population too, and probably one that’s more interesting than average – but there’s a clear message here that everyone is important. Everyone deserves a chance, and everyone has dreams – that what unites us is stronger than what divides us. That was a strong part of the Group A dynamic, and that’s why it’s going to be so hard to say goodbye to the characters that don’t make it.

SeijiSensei · 2012-08-19, 15:05

I'm guessing Serika didn't advance either. She looked pretty sad as they were leaving the capsule.

Kenji may turn out to be happier not having been selected once he gets over his initial disappointment. I'd like to see a conversation between him and Furuda about the problems of managing family and career. Perhaps Furuda will inspire him to stay at home for now, working on other parts of the program, and later trying again. If, as I suspect, Furuda advanced, it might convince Kenji that his career as a astronaut is not yet over. Still a mission to Mars would take years and pose difficult problems for him and wife. I'm reminded of the sequence near the end of Planetes.

The other night I rewatched the first two episodes of Mine Fujiko. Sawashiro Miyuki certainly has a malleable voice, given the rather substantial contrast between Fujiko and Serika. Neither of those voices sound anything like teen-aged Kurenai Shinkarou either. She has joined Kuwashima Houko in my pantheon of seiyuu. Both of them have an extraordinary range of voices and the ability to convey both intelligence and emotion in their performances.

Like Kirarakim, I'm starting to wonder whether we'll see any of them in space before the end of the series. When things began I expected they would spend perhaps a quarter of the episodes on the testing and devote the rest to the astronaut training and actual space travel. At some point there will need to be some period with Mutta and Hibito together, too.

You know, Mutta, you could just call Serika up and ask her out. I'm pretty sure she'd be happy if you did.

Oh, and as for the person who asked whether I'm really 62 along with giving me negrep for kamisama only knows why, yes that's my real age. I didn't just make up a birth year. Perhaps you'd like to actually identify yourself and tell me what you were reacting to in this post?

BBOvenGuy · 2012-08-19, 17:22

I'm playing catch-up with this show, and have only gotten through Episode 12 so far, but I felt like commenting on Mutta and the way he knew it was 3am because he saw the clock on the bus dashboard. Hey, it was in plain view for all fifteen of them, and he was the only one who noticed. That counts for something.

It reminded me a little of astronaut Alan Bean during the launch of Apollo 12. The Saturn V rocket was hit by lightning twice during its ascent, completely scrambling the command module's control panel. The systems were going berserk, they were on the verge of aborting, and as a last-ditch measure one of the flight controllers ordered the crew to switch "SCE to Auxiliary." Nobody knew what that meant - except for Alan Bean, who remembered seeing a little-used switch labeled "SCE" during training. He flipped it, the controls reset themselves, and they were on their way.

As I think about it, Mutta reminds me a little of Alan Bean in general. Bean wasn't the best astronaut of the bunch - while they were on the moon he fried the TV camera by accidentally pointing it into the sun, and during the splashdown he got hit in the head by a camera he had failed to pack away securely. But when it was crunch time, he was the one who had noticed and remembered the key piece of information.

Okay, this concludes my rambling...

Nightengale · 2012-08-20, 04:08

I'm suspecting Serika & Nitta were the winners of the R-P-S.

Although the series has thrown to us its fair bits of curves, I'm still highly bull-ish on Mutta, Kenji and Serika making it through very deep into the series. Whether or not they will sustain it is a different story, but this JAXA exam is the starting line of starting lines, even for an astronaut career.

So yeah, I'm thinking it will be 'one extra from each team' to be chosen, and I'm thinking of it being Mutta, Kenji and another from Team C.

The choice for Serika passing pretty much stemmed from the above speculative line of thought. And as for regarding why I thought Nitta over Fukuda...

As much as I genuinely like Fukuda (a weeee bit more) than Nitta, I feel that the series has its fair bit of pragmatism as well. It feels to me that if they're going to sustain a key cast of characters moving forward as a team of astronauts, Nitta is the character whose potential is less explored, and would have the greater character development phase moving onwards. The fact that we got a full-blown Fukuda flashback is you know... a red flag. Though given the context of the series, it may be good... but I'll dropping my cards on it being a bad one.

Honestly, I don't need to rave about how great the whole series have been, but I'm definitely a bit disappointed on how they explored and expanded upon Team B's clash-of-leadership.

The end result seemed to highly imply Kenji just went along with the decision to choose based on points, and the whole team just accepted it.

While Kenji greatly contributed towards bonding the team together, in the end... it seems that it was all he accomplished. He made the team's atmosphere better by having them socialise better, but nothing else aside from that.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-08-20, 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

As I think about it, Mutta reminds me a little of Alan Bean in general. Bean wasn't the best astronaut of the bunch - while they were on the moon he fried the TV camera by accidentally pointing it into the sun, and during the splashdown he got hit in the head by a camera he had failed to pack away securely. But when it was crunch time, he was the one who had noticed and remembered the key piece of information.

My image of Alan Bean is Dave Foley in From the Earth to the Moon ... which is pretty appropriate for Mutta.

sikvod00 · 2012-08-20, 10:33

What does it mean to be a "good" parent? I ask because of Kenji and Furuya's situation and how it will impact their kids. No doubt they love their daughters to death and are keenly aware of the sacrifice being made to become astronauts. This situation is different from a parent whose job or career actually prevents them from spending quality time with their children. One is in pursuit of a dream, the other is out of (not absolute) necessity. Although even in the case of trying to be a provider, that too is insufficient to being a "good" parent. I believe being a "good" parent is more than putting food on the table.

I don't want to delegitimize these men's goals, as if chasing your dream even after you have a family is selfish and unserious. Again, the show has taken considerable time to explain that this is an continuous internal conflict for them. But the while the family vs dream dilemma may be a false choice, there is going to be some significant trade-off; something is going to take more priority. With that in mind, are Kenji and Furuya "good" parents? Compare them to parents who put their children above themselves and are pretty much always there for their kids. Those things do matter (arguably). "Good" probably isn't an accurate word to use since they definitely aren't bad or terrible parents, but I do believe a distinction should be made between parents who are not present for their kids when it counts.

Any thoughts?

Guardian Enzo · 2012-08-20, 11:42

You treat Kenji and Fukuda (and I assume it's Fukuda you're talking about, not Furuya) as analogous, but I don't think they are. There's evidence that Fukuda made mistakes he deeply regrets - that there were times when he might have left some of his work to subordinates in order to be with his family, and chose not to. As far as I can tell Kenji has spent every moment with his daughter that he possibly could, given his circumstances.

There are careers where people have to spend extended time away from their kids, and being an astronaut is one of them. All they can do is the best they can. You can make a case that only single men and women should every be astronauts, but I'm not prepared to call Kenji a bad father. As for Fukuda it's more dubious, but I suspect he'd be the first one to condemn himself.

Kirarakim · 2012-08-20, 12:23

It seems to me like Kenji talked to his wife about this, so I don't see it that he is abandoning his family, that doesn't make it an easier decision.

cyth · 2012-08-20, 12:45

I still can't shake off the feeling that Kenji will choose his family over space. It's not like he's made his mind up back in the capsule.

orion · 2012-08-20, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyth

I still can't shake off the feeling that Kenji will choose his family over space. It's not like he's made his mind up back in the capsule.

His wife would prob kill him. Those guys can earn $100,000 per year.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...NASA_astronaut

2012-08-19, 04:45	Link #481
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Two weeks are over. Time to get out! They sure got a nice congratulations from the staff. Who knew they'll be so happy just to see the sky. Furuya sure had a nice time with his Idol ^^ Mutta and Serika ona date! Yeah right LOL He's not that lucky. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

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Rahan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: France	So that's why Kenji doesn't have an afro wig in the opening ? He isn't going to follow Mutta, unlike Serika. (the parents don't count, I guess. They are parents of astronauts, they live in space already) In Hibito's dance, the people wearing the wig are all astronauts or working for NASA. Last edited by Rahan; 2012-08-19 at 17:22.

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Lol at the reveal they were at Jaxa all along. I should have seen this coming. The director of Jaxa is such a troll. I'm pretty sure Serika won is one of the two who won. There's no way she is going to leave the series at this stage. That leaves either Nitta or Fukuda. Spoiler for 22 preview: Only one more person will be selected, so quite a few characters are going to leave the series (though they might return later), including Kenji. I thought for sure Kenji was going to make it so I'm pretty shocked. I was certain Jaxa would choose more people since it was odd to leave that choice up to the candidates themselves. It was nice to learn a bit more about Furuya's background. I understand why he idolizes that man now. He is the one that gave him a chance to make his dream come true. This also explains his complex about his height. __________________

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Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	So we know two out of Serika, Fukuda, and Nitta passed. We know that guy that was given Kenji trouble on Team B passed and I assume the guy they mentioned who had the top score. At first I thought everyone from Team A would pass the interview stage in Houston but the preview added a surprise loop to that Spoiler for preview: that only 1 can pass. It adds some more tension but I am a little disappointed because I want everyone from Team A to pass. Although I suppose since the series is going on for awhile it might skip ahead some years and show some of the characters who missed this time around will pass in the future. I think the point of the story is even if its a long road ahead and there are some road blocks you shouldn't give up on your dream. I love how everyone from Team A had dinner together showing that they all have truly become friends & the scenes with Furuya were excellent. I really enjoyed his characterization and I never thought I would love him as much as I ended up doing based on how he was at the start. I might have criticized somethings in previous posts but the enclosed space arc was actually my favorite part of the series so far because of the chemistry of Team A. I ended up truly caring about every character and I will miss seeing them all work together. __________________ Twitter MAL

2012-08-19, 10:32	Link #489
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I was thinking I know this series is 4 cour which is excellent but the manga is still ongoing so even at 4 cour we might not get the whole story , that's a bit disappointing (unless someone reading the manga thinks it is finishing up) There can always be a second season but it seems to get the full story we are on the whims of scanlators or it being picked up as a license. I know I might be greedy but at this point I want the whole story. __________________ Twitter MAL

2012-08-19, 06:21	Link #482
Azuma Denton ~AD~ Join Date: Oct 2006	Arrrggghhh, i wanna know who is the chosen one from 3rd exam... Anyway, a solid episode delivered again. Damn this serie really made me motivated each time i watch it.

2012-08-19, 08:20	Link #485
Utsuro no Hako Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	So the test is over and never met anyone from Team C. That'll be two brand new characters assuming Mutta actually makes it into the astronaut program. I'll hazard a guess that the people retaking the test were all on Team C so as to maximize the effect of the green cards in the other two groups.

2012-08-19, 10:39	Link #490
Utsuro no Hako Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Candidates who didn't pass don't get to become astronauts -- there's still wriggle room for JAXA to offer them jobs in other capacities. Like, oh, hiring an ex-car designer to work on a lunar rover. Which would also potentially allow Fukada to stay on as one of Mutta's colleagues and also bring in the suit designer as a major character.

2012-08-19, 15:05	Link #492
SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	I'm guessing Serika didn't advance either. She looked pretty sad as they were leaving the capsule. Kenji may turn out to be happier not having been selected once he gets over his initial disappointment. I'd like to see a conversation between him and Furuda about the problems of managing family and career. Perhaps Furuda will inspire him to stay at home for now, working on other parts of the program, and later trying again. If, as I suspect, Furuda advanced, it might convince Kenji that his career as a astronaut is not yet over. Still a mission to Mars would take years and pose difficult problems for him and wife. I'm reminded of the sequence near the end of Planetes. The other night I rewatched the first two episodes of Mine Fujiko. Sawashiro Miyuki certainly has a malleable voice, given the rather substantial contrast between Fujiko and Serika. Neither of those voices sound anything like teen-aged Kurenai Shinkarou either. She has joined Kuwashima Houko in my pantheon of seiyuu. Both of them have an extraordinary range of voices and the ability to convey both intelligence and emotion in their performances. Like Kirarakim, I'm starting to wonder whether we'll see any of them in space before the end of the series. When things began I expected they would spend perhaps a quarter of the episodes on the testing and devote the rest to the astronaut training and actual space travel. At some point there will need to be some period with Mutta and Hibito together, too. You know, Mutta, you could just call Serika up and ask her out. I'm pretty sure she'd be happy if you did. Oh, and as for the person who asked whether I'm really 62 along with giving me negrep for kamisama only knows why, yes that's my real age. I didn't just make up a birth year. Perhaps you'd like to actually identify yourself and tell me what you were reacting to in this post? __________________ Taking Anime Seriously - Politics by the Numbers - Sports by the Numbers - MAL List - Avatars - Images

2012-08-19, 17:22	Link #493
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	I'm playing catch-up with this show, and have only gotten through Episode 12 so far, but I felt like commenting on Mutta and the way he knew it was 3am because he saw the clock on the bus dashboard. Hey, it was in plain view for all fifteen of them, and he was the only one who noticed. That counts for something. It reminded me a little of astronaut Alan Bean during the launch of Apollo 12. The Saturn V rocket was hit by lightning twice during its ascent, completely scrambling the command module's control panel. The systems were going berserk, they were on the verge of aborting, and as a last-ditch measure one of the flight controllers ordered the crew to switch "SCE to Auxiliary." Nobody knew what that meant - except for Alan Bean, who remembered seeing a little-used switch labeled "SCE" during training. He flipped it, the controls reset themselves, and they were on their way. As I think about it, Mutta reminds me a little of Alan Bean in general. Bean wasn't the best astronaut of the bunch - while they were on the moon he fried the TV camera by accidentally pointing it into the sun, and during the splashdown he got hit in the head by a camera he had failed to pack away securely. But when it was crunch time, he was the one who had noticed and remembered the key piece of information. Okay, this concludes my rambling...

2012-08-20, 04:08	Link #494
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	I'm suspecting Serika & Nitta were the winners of the R-P-S. Although the series has thrown to us its fair bits of curves, I'm still highly bull-ish on Mutta, Kenji and Serika making it through very deep into the series. Whether or not they will sustain it is a different story, but this JAXA exam is the starting line of starting lines, even for an astronaut career. So yeah, I'm thinking it will be 'one extra from each team' to be chosen, and I'm thinking of it being Mutta, Kenji and another from Team C. The choice for Serika passing pretty much stemmed from the above speculative line of thought. And as for regarding why I thought Nitta over Fukuda... As much as I genuinely like Fukuda (a weeee bit more) than Nitta, I feel that the series has its fair bit of pragmatism as well. It feels to me that if they're going to sustain a key cast of characters moving forward as a team of astronauts, Nitta is the character whose potential is less explored, and would have the greater character development phase moving onwards. The fact that we got a full-blown Fukuda flashback is you know... a red flag. Though given the context of the series, it may be good... but I'll dropping my cards on it being a bad one. Honestly, I don't need to rave about how great the whole series have been, but I'm definitely a bit disappointed on how they explored and expanded upon Team B's clash-of-leadership. The end result seemed to highly imply Kenji just went along with the decision to choose based on points, and the whole team just accepted it. While Kenji greatly contributed towards bonding the team together, in the end... it seems that it was all he accomplished. He made the team's atmosphere better by having them socialise better, but nothing else aside from that. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2012-08-20, 10:33	Link #496
sikvod00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami, FL Age: 37	What does it mean to be a "good" parent? I ask because of Kenji and Furuya's situation and how it will impact their kids. No doubt they love their daughters to death and are keenly aware of the sacrifice being made to become astronauts. This situation is different from a parent whose job or career actually prevents them from spending quality time with their children. One is in pursuit of a dream, the other is out of (not absolute) necessity. Although even in the case of trying to be a provider, that too is insufficient to being a "good" parent. I believe being a "good" parent is more than putting food on the table. I don't want to delegitimize these men's goals, as if chasing your dream even after you have a family is selfish and unserious. Again, the show has taken considerable time to explain that this is an continuous internal conflict for them. But the while the family vs dream dilemma may be a false choice, there is going to be some significant trade-off; something is going to take more priority. With that in mind, are Kenji and Furuya "good" parents? Compare them to parents who put their children above themselves and are pretty much always there for their kids. Those things do matter (arguably). "Good" probably isn't an accurate word to use since they definitely aren't bad or terrible parents, but I do believe a distinction should be made between parents who are not present for their kids when it counts. Any thoughts?

2012-08-20, 12:23	Link #498
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	It seems to me like Kenji talked to his wife about this, so I don't see it that he is abandoning his family, that doesn't make it an easier decision. __________________ Twitter MAL

2012-08-20, 12:45	Link #499
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	I still can't shake off the feeling that Kenji will choose his family over space. It's not like he's made his mind up back in the capsule.