Transgender Bathroom Access Rights

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

A transgendered person is still the gender/sex s/he was born with. If they want to be treated as the opposite gender/sex, then they should get themselves operated on and transformed into the gender/sex of their desire

Surgery is far too high of a bar, especially since such things are as John Oliver said "medically speaking none of your fucking business" because its irrelevant to most people you'll ever interact with because it's a very personal matter. Additionally the Surgery costs more than a new car or even houses in some cases and generally most insurances won't put a dime towards it because they can get away with the discrimination currently, so you ask people to wait potentially a very long & absurdly unfair time to be treated as who they are.

The medical community, & psych community both agree with allowing transgender people to change gender markers after hormone treatment has been going for some time under the doctors watch with them signing off for it, which is what the law generally is in most reasonable places.

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

as that is the only way regular people will be able to tell that they are what they claim to be.

No it's not after enough time with HRT & a few other non-surgical steps, most people wouldn't be able to tell generally.

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

I see no reason why they deserve special treatment, just because they feel like they're different from the others.

How is it wanting to be special to be allowed to use the bathroom that matches your appearance & your legal identification like anyone else?

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by GDB

I don't know about you, but I do not regularly force people to reveal their genitals to me so that I may discern their gender.

Part of why I do not think it's as big a deal as it would seem. You might not even notice in most cases. And you might care in an even smaller amount of cases. Because, indeed, we probably all have ways of separating male from female without looking at their genitals.

Since we're going onto fears and troubles about giving a minority special treatment when in reality it's going to matter in a minority of cases regarding that minority

[Lord of Fire]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Surgery is far too high of a bar, especially since such things are as John Oliver said "medically speaking none of your fucking business" because its irrelevant to most people you'll ever interact with because it's a very personal matter. Additionally the Surgery costs more than a new car or even houses in some cases and generally most insurances won't put a dime towards it because they can get away with the discrimination currently, so you ask people to wait potentially a very long & absurdly unfair time to be treated as who they are.

The medical community, & psych community both agree with allowing transgender people to change gender markers after hormone treatment has been going for some time under the doctors watch with them signing off for it, which is what the law generally is in most reasonable places.

No it's not after enough time with HRT & a few other non-surgical steps, most people wouldn't be able to tell generally.

Whatever works.

How is it wanting to be special to be allowed to use the bathroom that matches your appearance & your legal identification like anyone else?

Doesn't that mean you'd have the use the bathroom you don't want, which is what this whole issue seems to revolve around?

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Part of why I do not think it's as big a deal as it would seem. You might not even notice in most cases. And you might care in an even smaller amount of cases. Because, indeed, we probably all have ways of separating male from female without looking at their genitals.

Since we're going onto fears and troubles about giving a minority special treatment when in reality it's going to matter in a minority of cases regarding that minority

And yet, this extremely small minority apparently deems this important enough to matter. What am I missing here, if anything?

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

And yet, this extremely small minority apparently deems this important enough to matter. What am I missing here, if anything?

My point was to address concerns about this being a problem, aka the cons of allowing such a thing. The concept that them transgender people are somehow imposing themselves into the bathroom is not involved here.

You can claim transgender are making a big deal out of using a bathroom, but I could also claim others are making a big deal out of them using them too. Otherwise this issue wouldn't exist. It's clearly a sensitive issue for both ends.

But I suppose context is needed-- this is the United States and we do have a number of groups in power that will make a huge panic over a large amount of issues.

[Kotohono]

South Dakota governor vetoes bill that would have restricted transgender students’ access to school restrooms

South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R) has vetoed a bill that would have been the first in the nation to restrict transgender students’ access to school restrooms and locker rooms, a move that came after LGBT rights activists waged a furious campaign against the measure.

In a message to state lawmakers announcing his veto, Daugaard said that the bill would have introduced a new statewide mandate that “does not address any pressing issue concerning the school districts of South Dakota.”

“Instead of encouraging local solutions, this bill broadly regulates in a manner that invites conflict and litigation, diverting energy and resources from the education of the children of this state,” Daugaard wrote, emphasizing that local school districts should be able to decide how to handle questions about bathroom use without interference from the state or federal government.

Daugaard’s decision came days after meeting with transgender youth to hear their personal stories and their reasons for opposing the bill, which would have required that students use the public school restrooms that correspond with their biological sex instead of their gender identity. Transgender students would have been allowed under the bill to ask their schools for “reasonable accommodations,” such as a single-stall teachers’ bathroom.

He announced the veto just hours before a deadline to act on the bill.

Had it been enacted, the South Dakota law would have been in direct conflict with federal civil rights policy, and schools could have faced the possibility of losing millions of dollars in federal funding.

The president of the nation’s largest LGBT rights organization cheered the governor’s decision. “Today, the voices of fairness and equality prevailed, and these students’ rights and dignity prevailed against overwhelming odds and vicious opponents in the state legislature,” said Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign.

This was way too close of a call for how dangerous this bill is with it nearly becoming law honestly. It's refreshing to see a Republican acting so sensible about an LGBT issue for a change, as Dennis Daugaard's veto of it was well written and very reasonably I have to say.