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alex_drian · 2017-02-05, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Sixth

Is the guy who Goku fought at the opening is just a placeholder character for the opening scenes or a legitimate a powerful character that he deserved a spot for the opening scene?

1/3 of the OP is Goku fighting with him, so yeah, is important + he is the hooded guy in the trailers

alex_drian · 2017-02-05, 01:01

Goku dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

This would can bring the plot point of "Goku is innocent to the point of be extremely dangerous" maybe?

OP is fucking awesome!

rladls2121 · 2017-02-05, 01:13

Reading Blueknight78's reply, I actually wish that Vegeta lectures Goku.

Now that I think about it, i feel Goku was making excuses to Vegeta like, "I couldn't stay with pregnant Chichi at that time because I was dead saving the world because Gohan screwed up not killing Cell right away".
Vegeta refusing to train, even in front of Whis for Bulma and the baby is really amazing.
Even though Whis said the same thing to Vegeta as Goku like, "It is not you are pregnant".

Goku left Vegeta with parting words like "Don't regret if I get stronger than you".
Of course there is no way to defend this.
The more I can't think of Goku as a person anymore.
Im kind of convinced now.

Anyway, the question is will Goku still be the same after this?

Blueknight78 · 2017-02-05, 01:25

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Originally Posted by rladls2121

Reading Blueknight78's reply, I actually wish that Vegeta lectures Goku.

Now that I think about it, i feel Goku was making excuses to Vegeta like, "I couldn't stay with pregnant Chichi at that time because I was dead saving the world because Gohan screwed up not killing Cell right away".
Vegeta refusing to train, even in front of Whis for Bulma and the baby is really amazing.
Even though Whis said the same thing to Vegeta as Goku like, "It is not you are pregnant".

Goku left Vegeta with parting words like "Don't regret if I get stronger than you".
Of course there is no way to defend this.
The more I can't think of Goku as a person anymore.
Im kind of convinced now.

Anyway, the question is will Goku still be the same after this?

yeah that part of goky trying to convince "vegita" to leave bulma behind was really screwed and annoying, to angered me a lot too, that was goku being really a big dick/jerk like who cares she was pregant?? just come with me, what sort of friend could say that to you specially since he is more friend of bulma than vegita, he was supposed to be the one to encorage vegita to stay with bulma, since while he not was present during goten birts he was present on gohan, and it's really don't touched him???? his father side???, that was something really angering me on DB Super how goku is being portraited as a "jerk" just because he is "too innocent" for a like 30?40?50+ year old guy which already lived enough with many peoples had childrens to still acting like a "clueless person" which lived alone for like 2 to 3 years at best(when his grandfather son gohan died), if you think about the time he was alone with the time he had wth others peoples is noway to him stay "innocent like that" even after reading the manga featuring goku sayan parents(father and mother) make even hard to understand goku personality, he really don't look like coming from them "personality side". that rock which "hit goku" read when he was a baby must had really did a big damage on his braind and not just making him "forget" must some "real damaged happened here" which limited goku way of reasoning.

BladeMancer · 2017-02-05, 02:29

I really hope Goku learns from this arc; that his desire for fighting is literally ripping the lives of possibly octillion people.
For now, lets hope that red alien really beats it into him
ALSO THE OPENING IS SICK!!!!

Sixth · 2017-02-05, 02:46

Vegeta is definitely the best husbando and father in this series. For those who still doubt it, this episode sealed it for you.

I was rather happy when Vegeta was happy and willingly to accompany Bulma for this time to made up for what he did to Bulma's first pregnancy. This guy actually for once, putting his pride as a saiyan warrior away for his family. Wish that Goku could at least respect Vegeta for this instead of trying to "sabotage".

Just imagine that you are a random alien who is living peaceful with your family in your universe suddenly received a news that your universe will be destroyed if your universe fighters lost the match all because of one guy from other universe is bored.

rladls2121 · 2017-02-05, 03:29

So the purpose of Goku getting a scratch from a gun bullet thug fired.
Is it really because Goku's body is getting rusty, and not just because of letting his guard down?
The writers's intentions that motivates Goku wanting to train for that reason, what is it mean?

The two Zenohs breaking planets in the beginning of the episode, are those planets real?

dagr81 · 2017-02-05, 06:47

I never read the manga before, only watch the anime. Has Goku always been like this in the manga?
I am really starting to hate him. the Goku from the start of dragon ball to dragon ball z are completely different.

How is this guy even a hero anymore, think about it you can right his story and just make him a villain.

Blaat · 2017-02-05, 07:09

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Originally Posted by dagr81

I never read the manga before, only watch the anime. Has Goku always been like this in the manga?
I am really starting to hate him. the Goku from the start of dragon ball to dragon ball z are completely different.

How is this guy even a hero anymore, think about it you can right his story and just make him a villain.

No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.

Mister Twit · 2017-02-05, 08:24

I know it's been hinted before but this episode really makes it more obvious that Goten is maturing. He doesn't talk like an infant anymore and he's looking more and more like kid Goku. Have we officially reached Teen Goten?

The fact 18 is in the opening and decked out in training sweats makes me hopeful that she's finally going to be kicking some ass in this arc. Hopefully it's not Piccolo that gets stuck with babysitting duty, but then again that's just the kind of stunt DBS would pull on the poor guy.

Also Bulma's kid is going to be the seventh Saiyan on Earth, and there are seven Dragon Balls... coincidence? Hmmm

Mad Pierrot · 2017-02-05, 08:41

Lol, it's hard to defend Goku now. I mean, even though he was dead when Goten was born, he could have just his friends to revive him with the Namek Dragon Balls. Instead, he went to train for about seven years if I'm correct. And now, the new tournament? ._. But I'll shut up about Goku for now.

Instead Vegeta doesn't care about that and he is behaving more like Gohan. Also, I must say Dragon Ball Super's characterization of Vegeta is a lot better than the one from the original series considering he is more mature.

Sixth · 2017-02-05, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Blaat

No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.

Does changing the way and dialog on how Goku talks really make such a difference for his character?

Stark700 · 2017-02-05, 09:38

Hoping this arc will be good. I have to admit, the new OP song is pretty dope. There's some characters there I'm pretty curious of especially the one that Goku kept fighting on from the beginning.

Kanon · 2017-02-05, 10:25

Well done, Goku. By not listening to Beerus' advice, you are going to cause the destruction of 11 universes. It really might have been for the best for Beerus to destroy him. While he doesn't have bad intentions, Goku is way too dangerous.

Got to love how much of a good guy Vegeta has become. Hope we'll get some scenes with him and baby Bra.

Blueknight78 · 2017-02-05, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Blaat

No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.

actually, no goku not aways was like that, in "drago ball" when goku was a kid he not was this "muscle brain guy" he was a kid which only fight to protect his friends and defeat evil guys this needs to fight strong guy only started when goku grow like in the sayan arc when vegita appeared after he defeated piccolo, when goku was a kid he was different from the current goku, which after grow just started to change to the muscle brain guy and get worst over time.

Key Board · 2017-02-05, 11:51

remember the original ending of the dragonball manga
dude abandons his family to train someone in exile
Goku has no sense of responsibilities

Blueknight78 · 2017-02-05, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Key Board

remember the original ending of the dragonball manga
dude abandons his family to train someone in exile
Goku has no sense of responsibilities

you are talking about the buu arc when goku goes to traing with ubu, after they beat the "kid bu"?

Key Board · 2017-02-05, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Blueknight78

you are talking about the buu arc when goku goes to traing with ubu, after they beat the "kid bu"?

Yes, that.

He just flies off after saying he's going to raise and train Uub on some tropical island

Seafoam · 2017-02-05, 13:46

Isn't it only 4 years away from end of Z? If Bra still isn't born, I dare say that's already been retconned.

Blueknight78 · 2017-02-05, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Key Board

Yes, that.

He just flies off after saying he's going to raise and train Uub on some tropical island

chronologically speaking Super take places before that, it's like this not happened yet, super is some years before uub appear and few years after they defeat kid bu and the new "satan tournament happen.

2017-02-05, 02:29	Link #2945
BladeMancer TheBladeThatRivesDivinity Join Date: May 2015 Location: My House	I really hope Goku learns from this arc; that his desire for fighting is literally ripping the lives of possibly octillion people. For now, lets hope that red alien really beats it into him ALSO THE OPENING IS SICK!!!! __________________ Rage is not unlike a blade. Frequent use will make it dull and brittle; it's ill sheen reflecting the wielder's lost virtues and strength. Thus comes the saying that the ire of the calm, kind and gentle forges with vengful fire a fearsome bladed edge. Pray for those whose image reflects off it, for it may only stop through reconcilatory waters or icy voids of the end.

2017-02-05, 09:38	Link #2953
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Hoping this arc will be good. I have to admit, the new OP song is pretty dope. There's some characters there I'm pretty curious of especially the one that Goku kept fighting on from the beginning. __________________

2017-02-05, 10:25	Link #2954
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Well done, Goku. By not listening to Beerus' advice, you are going to cause the destruction of 11 universes. It really might have been for the best for Beerus to destroy him. While he doesn't have bad intentions, Goku is way too dangerous. Got to love how much of a good guy Vegeta has become. Hope we'll get some scenes with him and baby Bra. __________________

2017-02-05, 11:51	Link #2956
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	remember the original ending of the dragonball manga dude abandons his family to train someone in exile Goku has no sense of responsibilities __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2017-02-05, 01:01	Link #2942
alex_drian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	Goku dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? This would can bring the plot point of "Goku is innocent to the point of be extremely dangerous" maybe? OP is fucking awesome!

2017-02-05, 01:13	Link #2943
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	Reading Blueknight78's reply, I actually wish that Vegeta lectures Goku. Now that I think about it, i feel Goku was making excuses to Vegeta like, "I couldn't stay with pregnant Chichi at that time because I was dead saving the world because Gohan screwed up not killing Cell right away". Vegeta refusing to train, even in front of Whis for Bulma and the baby is really amazing. Even though Whis said the same thing to Vegeta as Goku like, "It is not you are pregnant". Goku left Vegeta with parting words like "Don't regret if I get stronger than you". Of course there is no way to defend this. The more I can't think of Goku as a person anymore. Im kind of convinced now. Anyway, the question is will Goku still be the same after this?

2017-02-05, 02:46	Link #2946
Sixth Hu Tao Join Date: Oct 2006	Vegeta is definitely the best husbando and father in this series. For those who still doubt it, this episode sealed it for you. I was rather happy when Vegeta was happy and willingly to accompany Bulma for this time to made up for what he did to Bulma's first pregnancy. This guy actually for once, putting his pride as a saiyan warrior away for his family. Wish that Goku could at least respect Vegeta for this instead of trying to "sabotage". Just imagine that you are a random alien who is living peaceful with your family in your universe suddenly received a news that your universe will be destroyed if your universe fighters lost the match all because of one guy from other universe is bored.

2017-02-05, 03:29	Link #2947
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	So the purpose of Goku getting a scratch from a gun bullet thug fired. Is it really because Goku's body is getting rusty, and not just because of letting his guard down? The writers's intentions that motivates Goku wanting to train for that reason, what is it mean? The two Zenohs breaking planets in the beginning of the episode, are those planets real?

2017-02-05, 06:47	Link #2948
dagr81 The legendary dragoon Join Date: Oct 2004	I never read the manga before, only watch the anime. Has Goku always been like this in the manga? I am really starting to hate him. the Goku from the start of dragon ball to dragon ball z are completely different. How is this guy even a hero anymore, think about it you can right his story and just make him a villain.

2017-02-05, 08:24	Link #2950
Mister Twit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in this machine	I know it's been hinted before but this episode really makes it more obvious that Goten is maturing. He doesn't talk like an infant anymore and he's looking more and more like kid Goku. Have we officially reached Teen Goten? The fact 18 is in the opening and decked out in training sweats makes me hopeful that she's finally going to be kicking some ass in this arc. Hopefully it's not Piccolo that gets stuck with babysitting duty, but then again that's just the kind of stunt DBS would pull on the poor guy. Also Bulma's kid is going to be the seventh Saiyan on Earth, and there are seven Dragon Balls... coincidence? Hmmm

2017-02-05, 08:41	Link #2951
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Lol, it's hard to defend Goku now. I mean, even though he was dead when Goten was born, he could have just his friends to revive him with the Namek Dragon Balls. Instead, he went to train for about seven years if I'm correct. And now, the new tournament? ._. But I'll shut up about Goku for now. Instead Vegeta doesn't care about that and he is behaving more like Gohan. Also, I must say Dragon Ball Super's characterization of Vegeta is a lot better than the one from the original series considering he is more mature.

2017-02-05, 13:46	Link #2959
Seafoam 『Lolimancer』 Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2014	Isn't it only 4 years away from end of Z? If Bra still isn't born, I dare say that's already been retconned.