2013-08-20, 01:36 | Link #1701 |
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IMO what IB does is to dispel changes to the world. Essentially, Rensa was able to use her powers when IB was touching her because she basically ejects powers from other espers and emits them at a certain point where they can thus be negated after they leave her body. Because Touma presumably isn't used to fighting machines like her, I am guessing that he wasn't able to dispel her esper power like usual.
We might find out definitively if Touma's IB dispels magician's powers if he touches their hands in Volume 8 of NT because he might be holding hands while fighting I think that the argument that too great a power stops IB from working properly is definitely valid... Though I am curious if the true IB can negate from a distance... and seal powers... there was a hint it might have done so in volume 22 even though that was more likely fear. I'm not sure if it actually has a larger radius of effect, but it would be cool. |
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Basically we don't have enough info - not unless someone can think of more examples?
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2013-08-20, 10:16 | Link #1704 | |
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2013-08-21, 01:05 | Link #1705 |
I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!!
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Well given that Mikoto wasn't able to shock Touma when he was criticizing her figure maybe he negated her powers... Oh wait that was probably shock instead that prevented her from responding It's ironic that it's shock
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2013-08-21, 01:42 | Link #1706 | ||
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Now how about Misaka Mikoto? We know that she shoots electricity from her bangs. If Kamijou put IB on her head then she wouldn't be able to. But what about from her hands? Just because she normally shoots electricity from her head doesnt mean she can't use her hands to do so. After all, how else does she fire the railgun? In the one example we have from the railgun manga, Mikoto was specifically holding onto and targetting IB with the hand she wanted to pass electricity through. But what if she fired electricity from her bangs then? My guess is that he would have been fried. My reasoning is that just because the source of an esper's power is Personal Reality which is inside the brain, it doesn't mean any power created has to be outputted from the head. For example #1, #4, Bomber Lance, Pyrokinesis, etc, etc, etc. Now the big question. Does it even make ANY sense for IB to stop an esper from using their powers by simply holding on to them. Remember IB only negates supernatural phenomena it comes into 'contact' with (physically touches). How could it negate the usage of Personal Reality of an esper's brain without physically touching the brain? What does it even mean when one says 'negate personal reality?' Is personal reality even a thing that can be negated? Not only that, does it make any sense regarding any of the events that have occurred in the LNs? Assuming that he does, then Vol3 Accelerator isn't nearly as dangerous as he could be if TouMAN could just hold him with one arm and repeatedly punch him with the other. In NT7 when Rensa is about to kill him with #1's power while gripping his neck; wouldn't he be safe (at least from that power) if he just held onto that arm which is gripping him (ignoring any arguments stemming from the fact that Rensa is a cyborg; which shouldn't really change anything if you consider Bomber Lance...). Doesn't it make more sense when considering Kamijou's actions in front of Acclerator that he could NOT seal ALL his abilities IB. Doesn't it make more sense that the black wings didn't disappear from Accelerator in Vol20 because Accelerator's body itself wasn't supernatural and independent from the wings? Why go to the extreme of saying that he could seal the use of personal reality of espers by holding onto them despite not touching anything supernatural. Why use complex reasoning that the black wings were too powerful to negate despite the fact that IB did not touch anything supernatural (minus reflection) when punching Accelerator? Why hasn't the author explicitly stated this when there is no reason not to? Why choose the alternative that opens more plot holes than the one that closes them (and makes far more sense)? What about magicians? You have to be EVEN MORE careful when considering them because of how abstract the use of magic is coupled with the fact that it is following a set of laws different from science and unbelievably varied. Im not going to be touching this argument though... In the end, what I really want to get across is: BE VERY Careful when making arguments and decisively strong claims. Make sure that the claim you make, takes into account all of the information that we have learnt and all of the scenarios we have read about in the LNs. Does the claim I make for Esper A als o make sense with Esper B?, etc...
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2013-08-21, 10:28 | Link #1707 |
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It's important to point out that Touma seems to have some measure of resistance throughout his body. Divine Punishment only targets the lungs but that never affected Touma, the amount of pollen from that Russian sorceress was apparently enough to cause multiple organ failure but only paralyzed his left arm, the heat from Thor's blades which set things on fire around him didn't burn him, etc.
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2013-08-21, 14:04 | Link #1708 |
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Magicians are different to Espers.
Magicians = work their whole body to execute magic. Example: Styil's Innocentius got dispelled once Oriana knocked him up; Aqua couldn't use his power as GRS once Touma touched him and at the same time couldn't use his Saint power because Kanzaki sealed him off. Espers = Work their brain any disturbance or trauma can cause a malfunction on their powers. |
2013-09-05, 10:16 | Link #1712 |
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I would put that at Level 4. Although, what units would you be talking about? There are so many units for specific heat like J/mol*K or Kcal/g*K. Depending on what unit you're referring to, the changes in order of magnitude may not be as big as you may think they are.
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