2006-10-23, 17:45 | Link #221 |
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bah. those crazy scandinavians get all the fun. well...at leased we don't get criminally ripped off for booze....actually its the only things thats cheap around here...I wonder why....
*drowns his sorrows in alcohol before he goes mental over the high price of everythin in this bloody country*
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2006-10-23, 20:48 | Link #223 |
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unfortunately, because we happen to speak English (because surprisingly this is England. shock/horror) the companies like to apply the same crappy options for us, but at twice the price. why...thank you!
We can only return mail goods, unless it is damaged during delivery, and if we sign it off, before checking it, we're screwed. Right pain in the arse. Stupid president Tony.... (blames him for everything.)
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2006-10-24, 12:55 | Link #224 |
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Wow someone gave me negative rep and called me a troll real mature, I'm guessing it was wordplay. Just because I state that this is turning into a fanboy war and state my opinion that makes me a troll? No my opinion is my opinion, personally I am not a Sony nor nintendo fanboy I agree that they both make good games but I don't negative rep poeple just saying sony/nintendo is better. A bit of advice to whoever sent me the negative rep sending negitive rep with a stupid reason makes you look foolish, personally I don't care about the rep system but I want to see what kind of feedback I get from people.
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So for reasons of aesthetics and control, complexity befitting an adult is almost always necessary for a great game. One note about what I'm NOT saying. I'm not saying that games need to have sex and explicit violence all over the place. I don't like the GTA games, so that should explain my stance there pretty well. However, you simply aren't going to find much of the depth that I and many other gamers look for...if you only play Nintendo consoles (though I dearly love my DS).
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...I got negative rep from here because someone couldnt read^^
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2006-10-25, 07:16 | Link #230 |
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lolol. Rep suxs. It's only for immature users, who can't think of a good comeback in a debate.
who cares? besides, i think i might neg you for being offtopic! MUWAHAAHA! oh snap. so i'm I. Anyway, if someone said, kids stuff, can't appeal to adults...well blow me. Why did those kiddy animation films, (spirited Away, Toy Story, Shrek) get awards by adults? Could it be....that adults find them fun to watch as well? Hell, I think some games developers have it right, that just because its for kids, doesn't mean they have to dumb it down. Kids know a good story when they play it. The same way some little kids like read a fricking heavy sci-fi book, because he likes it, and most importantly, UNDERSTANDS IT.
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While you may think that story sells, it doesn't. Many of the most popular games throughout the history of videos have barely a lick of story to them or have stories that can easily be omitted due to gameplay. Tetris, Street Fighter, original Doom and Doom 2, Super Mario Bros. series, Dance Dance Revolution, the Sims, were all incredibly popular games and not a single one used story as a selling point. In fact, all of them did well because, surprise, surprise, they had excellent gameplay. As for depth in games, I've logged more time playing Super Smash Bros. Melee in the last year than I have playing first person shooters in my lifetime, excluding Wolfenstein 3D and Doom. It is a much deeper game than people give it credit for and is a more appropriate game for reaching a wide audience than say a "mature" game like God of War. It has an easy to learn control scheme, it is fun to play, it is very deep, it is a game that can be played in any length of time, and it is a great party game. I'm 24, btw. My sister, who is 26, used to love Final Fantasy games. Do you know what she plays now? The Sims, Mario Party, Dance Dance Revolution, and Katamari Damacy. Oops, I guess somebody forgot to tell her that those games are for kids because they have little to no story and simple control schemes. For her, she doesn't have the time to sit and learn new battle systems or new control schemes. She likes games that are simple to learn and play and are fun. |
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Hence the "IMO". It's a rare kiddy game that I find amusing for more than an hour. Wildly popular but simple games like Lego Star Wars just don't draw me in. If it wasn't clear...though it was in English...I was stating an opinion.
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wsheit, while your opinion of what makes a great game is subjective, some of the other points Benoit questioned where statements, not opinions, and many of them were, as Benoit pointed out, utterly untrue.
Control simplicity/complexity is not entirely dictated by the age group a game is trying to reach. Most people I know enjoy a wide variety of games, with varying degrees of complexity. A mature gamer who is looking for solid gameplay experience may find something inventive yet simple utterily irrisistable, but find themselves enthralled in a very complex game within the same day. The control scheme should fit the game. That is pretty much all there is to that line of thought. If you truly believe younger gamers will not care for games with more complex controls, while older gamers will tire of simpler designs, you can only speak for yourself and perhaps a small minority. The running joke is that younger gamers often more easily pick up more complex games than older gamers unwilling to adapt. Pushing such opinions as if they were factual statements will only lose you credibility in debate. Also, throughout your comments you seem vague on what exactly it is that you consider a "mature" game (which is a silly debate in itself, as many games rated "mature" are often quite juvenile, it's not that the games are rated for being mature, but that the ESRB feels that only "mature" people should be exposed to the games as younger people are often considered more impressionable). RPGs are often considered to be the most comfortable home of "deep story and epic scores", yet you'll find such games are quite at home on Nintendo consoles. The DS has a rather nice library of them, including many classics. The lack of these on the Gamecube is more due to Nintendo's lacking sales compared to the PS2. RPGs are expensive to develope, so developers are more likely to put such expensive investment into the console with the most potential return. Another thing of note, RPGs often have very, very simple controls. Another argument vaporized in a puff of logic. You know what might be a better approach? Go read 'Understanding Comics' by Scott McCloud some time. In the section where he laments the common fallacy that comics are unable to convey deep and "mature" stories. Replace comics with "Nintendo consoles" and books with "Sony consoles". As with that statement, you're making incorrect assumptions about content based on the container, and refusing to see the causality behind the current market situation. Of course, that is just one of many incorrect assertations you are making, so I'm not certain how helpful that will be.
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Well, we're still at an impasse then since you're arguments are still pretty vague and confusing. I mean, you say "don't confuse my first post and my second." I'm speaking entirely of the post Benoit last replied to.
I still disagree with a lot of the comments in this last post of yours. I've been playing videogames as long as I remember, I was still firmly in the "kid" category when playing games you seem to consider "mature", and I was definitely appreciating them back then, complex stories and all. A part of the problem is that many of the basic issues of this argument seem to be rather vague on your part. What age group do you consider labled "kids"? What exactly is a "mature" game to you? (Yes, you've yet to put out a clear definition for this, when someone questions something, you introduce a new idea).
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What is all this about kiddy and mature games? If a game is good, you play it.
Mario, Sonic and the like have been around since I was a kid, and I've gone through each generation of gaming with games from these franchises, because they were good. I admit that some games are more enjoyable with a more "mature" theme, something like Metal Gear Solid (awesome game), but that's not to say that the "kiddy" games aren't just as enjoyable. Look at Zelda on the Gamecube. I bet it's cel shaded graphics are regarded as kiddy, but I bet it's just as solid and addictive as any other recent Zelda game. This is why the industry is in such a state, because people care more about graphics and "image" (how you appear, not image as in what is on screen) than the actual game. Maybe I'm cynical, but this only seems to have happened since Sony "made gaming cool", which no doubt introduced a whole wave of casual gamers (to some extent I suppose that's good, it's all about expanding the market after all). I miss the good old days of Sega vs Nintendo rivalry and their mascots. Us arguing who was better as kids. There's none of that now, it's just Nintendo and two faceless corporations. It's known that I'm very old school and traditionalist, so perhaps I'm just simply moaning as a matter of course; but I do sometimes wonder where gaming is going. Serious guys, enjoy a game for how it plays, not how it looks. I mean shit, I've actually been playing Super Mario Bros 3 today (originally a NES game, but I was playing the All Stars version on SNES). Perhaps I'm too old for this...
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To be honest none of the new consoles look that great.
I thought about buying a Wii just to play Twilight Princess, but I don't think I will, I bought a nintendo 64 just to play Ocarina of time. Pretty much a waste of money, zelda was the only game I ever bought for it, every other game just didn't appeal to me. Right now, the xbox 360 is looking like it's gonna get a lot of awesome RPGs, the TGS showcased quite a few of them. Looks like they're pumping them out in an effort to up sales in Japan. But i'm kind of weary about buying an xbox 360. I work at EBgames and people come in alll the time with problems with their xbox screwing up, overheating, using their warranty to get a new one etc. PS3? I doubt I'll be getting one unless the games are super awesome, or you'll be able to finance them, lol. :P The games look almost identical to the xbox360 anyways, and almost all of the popular games will be out on both consoles, so why bother really? Blue ray? Seriously, what a joke. Sigh...I like my PS2.
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