Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Liingo

It would have been harder for them to get inivolved in missions that would make them look good since from what we've seen the airforce is tied to specific planets, unlike the navy which goes everywhere.

In my fic acutally no the Air Force is the “Army” and the Navy is well... the Navy. The Navy is charged with moving Air Force units around and dealing with NAW and issues there on (though due to there prominence they muscle in on AW as well), but inside the TSAB the Air Force has jurisdiction over pretty much all planets and units on them controlled from a central command (though this is based on Mid instead of the Main Branch). It’s the various Ground Forces branches that are tied to specific worlds and so have more limited in scope.

Much better. In truth I had been a little concerned about making them into SEALS after some of the discussions that had taken place back in the other thread. This will suit me just fine.

Yeah this seems much closer.

I recognised some of them.... but obviously I need more help in this area

I think I knew like two of them, but I'm pretty sure I've said before traps do nothing for me.

Teh! OY! Leave some for me!

Nuuu it's mine!!! *locks his sanity in a safe* Haha try and get it now!

Facepalming counts for destroying the thread right?

Ummm... no.

Originally Posted by Kha

Come to think of it... It is somewhat correlated, we don't have a lot of perfectly sane people, but a lot more of less-than-sane progressing to insane...

And the more this thread grew the Khrackier it got... There's actually less people active now compared to the past, possibly why it seems to have more sane posts for now, save the random bursts.

Amen.

To many cooks spoil the stew... or at least cause it to bubble over into an ungodly crack fueled blob creature that consumes everything around it and spawns more of itself.

[Aaron008R]

*pops in and pats Cadia Zwei's head*

Ugh...-_-
Cadia Zwei: Aaron onii-tan!!! *glomps*
*is glomped*

^^;;

Random quotage to make me feel better...=_=
I miss the OC and the high-level of activity soooo much! ;_______;

Originally Posted by Keroko

~Uuuuuh T_T still no time to write or break backlog.

I know the feeling only too well... ;_;
So much school workload!!! T___T
I'm almost always too drained to write anything!!! ;___;
I wanna write my GuardianS!Teana scene and some Mahou Shounen Enforcer Aurion one-shots~!!! T________T

Anyway, like I said before, I plan to modify things around Rogue Squadron a bit. now, I may have been a bit dramatic back there with the whole rebuilt thing, but really the Squadron won't change that much. Keroko was an instructor first and foremost, and now we know that SAFA units are formed out of elite air mages. Since they're a unit that develops new combat techniques and tests equipment, making Rogue Squadron a SAFA unit seems natural. It evens the instabillity I had with Keroko previously (I made her juggle Squadron duty and training duty, which I will no longer have to) but as a price I will have to somewhat lower their heroics, since they're not a combat squadron they won't see as much front line action (they will see action, though. Nanoha went into action too despite being an instructor, and those techniques tactics, and equipment do need field testing) but all things together, they will remain the same. Just less.... war hero-ish.

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?

If it was me, I'd actually prefer the Rogue's as the members of SAFA too.
Though the heroics and such might take a bad hit, being part of the elites is hardly a bad thing. Aurion would have been a prominent SAFA Elite himself in the past if he didn't transfer over to the navy so quickly. =3

Originally Posted by LoweGear

[Ding Dong]

Outer Cadia wishes to bring you a very special reminder:

Spoiler for What they all have in common:

Remember, never judge a book by it's cover. And always look before you leap.



[Ding Dong]



*RUNS FASTER*

Trappy compilation is TRAPtastic!!!

XD

Originally Posted by Kha

Same here... And as I purge Kha of Khrack, the IRC keeps finding more to his comrades. And with Anita getting influenced (She even sang "My Boyfriend is an Otaku"!!! ), that means while Kha is getting better, Artei and Sophia are rolling lower and lower for Sanity saves.

*Points to self as the person who suggested her to sing that in the first place*

Looks like Rogue will be in for a major overhaul... And possible screw up the Cente Gravia plans.

Wait no, I'd just drag them in like how the Aces got dragged into a war they had no part of.

You always find a method to connect things, anyway. So I'm not worried. :3

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Nuuu it's mine!!! *locks his sanity in a safe* Haha try and get it now!

*blowtorches the safe open and grabs ALL the sanity!!!*

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I NOW HAVE THEM AL-*is shot*



@KBT: Welcome back! =3




Well, gotta go back to my busy world again...;_;

Cadia Zwei: Bai-bai, Onii-tan!

*pats Cadia Zwei's head again and pops out*

[mamott99]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

[Ding Dong]

Outer Cadia wishes to bring you a very special reminder:

Spoiler for What they all have in common:

Remember, never judge a book by it's cover. And always look before you leap.



[Ding Dong]



*RUNS FASTER*

Lowe, what the *static* are you on? -_-;

Still, I laughed when I saw that.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Hey guys... Run through this for me and help me solve an issue here.

Essentially right after the 'backfire' that goes on here, I have a passage the more or less focuses on Crash's primary attribute. I don't want to feel like I'm reiterating something that's already too well known by the time you reach it in the story. But at the same time I want the passage to click in everyone's head. "Oh yeah..." And not just the readers. So did I write it interestingly enough?

Spoiler for Passage:

Marilyn smiled as she handed the base commander a place consisting of a high protien meal. Roland wasn't sure what exactly it was, but he was sure it was Mid-childa's local version of chicken. Cooper was up next, having only enough patience to let what was essentially his 'boss' get food first. Marilyn glared at him a few seconds as she triple loaded his plate with the heaviest food on the line.

"You really should cut back sweety," she tried. It was the same speach every day.

"You don't cultivate THIS kind of pressence by cutting back," he smirked, patting his bulging belly.

"What you're cultivating is cholesterol, sugar," Marilyn responded evenly. "If you don't start cutting it back, I'll start cutting you back. Here in the middle of nowhere, I control the flow of food."

"You can try," Cooper grinned. "But I have ways of getting around your food blockades."

Marilyn shook her head as Cooper wandered away to sit down and watch the replay. Then she turned to the pint sized one who was staring through the seperation glass, slavering away. Reinforce Zwei had zipped sharply in front of Crash at the last second when she realized just how diverse the selection was.

"See anything you like sweety?" she asked.

"Heh, probably everything on display," Crash laughed, looming up behind the Unison. "You're not HUNGRY are you?"

Rein turned quickly and smiled in the cutest fashon possible, her eyes twinkling like tiny stars. Crash stood up and laughed.

"Careful now," he stated. "Watch that appetite or you'll end up looking like Cooper."

"NOT POSSIBLE!" Cooper piped up across the room. "It takes dedicated practice to achieve this level of perfection."

"Yeah, perfection... Whatever." It was Key, barely audible under his shirt. Crash rolled his eyes and turned back to Rein, reaching down to poke her in the belly.

"Just watch out, or your stomach could swell up and go B-"

-BOOM!!!-


Nanoha and Fate, who were bringing up the Rear, jumped backwards as the spot immediately surrounding Crash erupted in sparks and smoke. Everyone else in the Room, turned around in their spots to see what had happened.

Crash stumbled back a step, his hair standing straight up. Rein was in similar shape, about ten feet away, caught by a condiment packet tower at the end of the food line and cushioned by packets of various sauces Roland hadn't quite figured out whether to call Ketchup, or cocktail sauce.
After a few seconds of total silence, the shattered light socket above Crash sparked, and the florescent bulb dropped to the ground and shattered. Those inspecting the spectacle turned back to their food as if it was nothing out of the ordinary.

"What just happened?!" Hayate asked in a near panic as she rushed over to check on Rein.

"I think..." Crash began, coughing a little. "I think that was a failed Unison-In attempt."

Nanoha visibly screwed her face up as she twisted her head to the side.
"Eh?"

Hayate reached down and pulled Rein from the Cushon of packet sauces, cradling her like a newborn kitten.
"Are you okay?"

"No mama, that meatball was plenty spicy, can I have another?"

Hayate sighed. Even blasted silly, all this little one could think about at times was food.

"What makes you think that was a Unision failure?" Fate asked.

"It was definately a rejection," Signum stated. Up until now, she'd been completely silent ever since they'd left TICTOCC. Shamal was there right beside her. "There's no mistaking that feeling of incompatable forces conflicting with each other like that."

Nanoha looked from Signum to Crash, her face still a mask of confusion.

"But he didn't DO anything," Fate stated the obvious.

"Yes he did," Signum stated stoicly. "He touched her."

Fate ressisted the urge to match Nanoha's blank look. Signum, never the less, saw it and crossed her arms, leaning her head down as she often did when she was revealing what should have been simple common fact.

"Are you forgetting she's still a DEVICE?"

Ding! Signum litterally could count the two seconds it took for Nanoha and Fate to mutually achieve the same revelation, just from the looks on their faces. As one, the two aces turned and looked directly at Crash, who was busy patting his clothes down, trying to shake any glass bits and florescent powder off of himself.

"Maybe you two missed it all this time," Signum continued. "But he's been very careful about what he touches. You can read it if you watch his body language and posture. He doesn't touch anything, period. He doesn't brush walls, he doesn't randomly kick things like small rocks, not a random tap or motion out of place."

Of course, SIGNUM would notice something like that. Crash put up the manner of a laid back fighter jock, but the Knight had spent more time watching and learning than the rest of the group. It was habbit. She'd picked up on it early on, his seemingly random warnings, even the offhand comment from SkyEye when they'd arrived. The comm tower incident and now this only served to reinforce her conclusion.

"I have a cronic case of never ending Murphy's Law," Crash stated into her internal monologue. "Nearly everything I touch finds a way to break. Why do you think I'm good at my job? What can go wrong, has a bad habbit of doing so around me. And it's almost ALWAYS related to anything I touch... like a Unison device."

Crash tried again to flatten his hair a little, failing to do so. After a short moment he turned and held his index finger out to the metal rail of the food line.

"What would you say?" he asked. "Twelve Volts?" And touched his finger to the metal.

'POP!'

"You just ask yourself, 'What could POSSIBLY go wrong'," he continued. "And then when you have your answer, apply that as the most likely thing to happen the moment I touch it."

"It must be terrible living like that." Nanoha had gone right into Pity Mode from Confused Mode.

"Naaaaaah," Crash waved her pity away. "If anything, quiet girl over here-"

Signum silently objected to the nickname...

"-called it a minute ago. I simply don't touch anything. Plus, all these years, I've kinda' learned to spot what I could break before I break it."

He sighed as Hayate walked over to them, Rein in her arms.

"Of course, it's real easy to forget a Unison is TECHNICALLY equipment... My bad."

This has me thinking... concidering the Wolkies are technically programs, wouldn't that mean they're affected by Crash too?

Originally Posted by LoweGear

[Ding Dong]

Outer Cadia wishes to bring you a very special reminder:

Spoiler for What they all have in common:

Remember, never judge a book by it's cover. And always look before you leap.



[Ding Dong]



*RUNS FASTER*

I see some traps I don't recognise... got a name list, or at least a show list to go with it? :3

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

...your name is Yzak?

... Go play Grandia, then come back thank you very much.

... Yzak... how in the hell did you reach that conclusion? -_-

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Mel: Tesla-chan is cruuuuuushiiiiiiing!!!!!

Arcas: MEL! (Covers Mel's mouth)

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Isn't it obvious?

That's Nanoha's harem.

*Runs at EPIC FLYING SPEED from the Yuuno fans!*

Nanoha's harem? Now there's an image.

Originally Posted by Kha

Same here... And as I purge Kha of Khrack, the IRC keeps finding more to his comrades. And with Anita getting influenced (She even sang "My Boyfriend is an Otaku"!!! ), that means while Kha is getting better, Artei and Sophia are rolling lower and lower for Sanity saves.

Looks like Rogue will be in for a major overhaul... And possible screw up the Cente Gravia plans.

Wait no, I'd just drag them in like how the Aces got dragged into a war they had no part of.

How so? All I'm doing is making them a bit less of an elite combat unit. They'll still see combat, but their fame will be less for their heroic salvations of battle X and more for their sheer unpredictabillity and creating unorthodox abillities and strategies. They're a bit of a poster unit, they may follow the book loosely, but they're a unit made out of washouts, a unit that screams 'anyone can be a fine mage'

A few core missions will still exist, like the one to Raxus Prime, which is a source for a lot of their fame, but others will be retconned.

They're also a prime unit for testing new equipment, something which Keroko-chan is all too happy with.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

*TK continues hording sanity for himself*

*Pops a BoW* Think you can keep up?

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I know the feeling only too well... ;_;
So much school workload!!! T___T
I'm almost always too drained to write anything!!! ;___;
I wanna write my GuardianS!Teana scene and some Mahou Shounen Enforcer Aurion one-shots~!!! T________T

T_T I hate work. Now I know what my parents meant when they said 'school time is the best time' I should have flunked my exams.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

If it was me, I'd actually prefer the Rogue's as the members of SAFA too.
Though the heroics and such might take a bad hit, being part of the elites is hardly a bad thing. Aurion would have been a prominent SAFA Elite himself in the past if he didn't transfer over to the navy so quickly. =3

Well, a few heroics will still exist, but that's more or less just to make them stand out from other SAFA units.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

That's indeed how it was used. The author was trying to roughly define the level of authority that an "Executive Officer" (must use Midchildran, must use Mid) has w/i the structure.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you several months ago arguing that what we know as Enforcers are really 2nd in commands of units? The 2IC of any unit is by definition within the chain of command, not outside of it. And as has been repeated, the term Inspector is so vague as to be almost meaningless. In Commonwealth police forces, it's a moderately junior field-level rank.

Also, something that I was wondering about. If Chrono was really the Athra's 2IC... why is it he was never adressed as Vice-Captain (Fukuchou)? Lindy's the Captain and is adressed as "Kanchou", so logically if Chrono was the XO he'd have been adressed as "Vice-Captain"

Also, isn't "Enforce" and "Enforcement" the same thing in Japanese?

If their primary purpose is to check their own people out, that sounds a lot more like Acous. Fate's primary job is criminal investigation.

It depends; like TK said you'll also find FBI Inspectors dispatched as roving troubleshooters - think of it as one job, with two "streams"/career paths, so some guys will be checking on their own people while others will be troubleshooters and others will be leading important investigations.

[Kha]

*punts Aaron for post and suggesting that to Anita*

Originally Posted by Keroko

How so? All I'm doing is making them a bit less of an elite combat unit. They'll still see combat, but their fame will be less for their heroic salvations of battle X and more for their sheer unpredictabillity and creating unorthodox abillities and strategies. They're a bit of a poster unit, they may follow the book loosely, but they're a unit made out of washouts, a unit that screams 'anyone can be a fine mage'

A few core missions will still exist, like the one to Raxus Prime, which is a source for a lot of their fame, but others will be retconned.

They're also a prime unit for testing new equipment, something which Keroko-chan is all too happy with.

Ah I see. Will still need some mods, but it still runs.

[Anita]

*hammers Kha with Goldion and drags him away*

Study for xmas sake!

[Kha]

Hai, hai...... T_T

[KBTKaiser]

How about I adjust the mix a little? >>;

Let's start things off with the long awaited logs of what happened to the Seimonji Brothers under Mabiko/Maouko, shall we?

Spoiler for The Death Drills Part A:

When Retsugou and Goukon wake up, they find themselves in a pure white training field and a lone figure standing over them...one Tennoka Mabiko, her twin blades plunged in the ground in front of their faces. She was standing there holding a sickly looking drink in one hand. Behind her, seperated by the observation glass, Yuuki and the others were operating the controls while feeling their tails bristle in trepidation as to what was about to happen.

Mabiko: "Ara, futari-tomo mezameta ka..."(Oh, I see both of you are awake...)

Mabiko turns her back the boys activating both Star Core and Eisenfach in their basic configuration.

Mabiko: "Anata-tachi no setsumei wa kikanai...kekka de shugyou wa tarinai no koto da. Kakugou wa dekita ka?"(I won't listen to your explanations...the results are that you lack training. Are you ready?"

The girls watched Mabiko down the drink and began activating every single possible protection level on the training field, including additional layers of cover for the obervation glass. As the transformation occured, the brothers watched her Silver and Black armor change into a Black and Red theme instead as her hair streamed green. It wasn't Tennoka Mabiko standing there anymore, but Tennoka Maouko.

Maouko: "...Satou irete mo aji wa dame ka...ma ii, ima wa shigoto desu kara..."(...I guess putting sugar in didn't help the taste...oh well, time to get to work...)

Maouko turns around and glares at both brothers with piercing silver eyes.

Maouko: "Sate...jigoku wo misete morau ka..."(Now then...how about I show you hell?)

The brothers could only gulp as the twin blades flew into her hands.

Kinda still sputtering from such a long break...

On the to-do list:
1) Finish the garnet moon theme.
2) Seimonji Training
3) Inducting Seimonji into Arrowhead Squadron
4) GuilliamxKitsune fluff

[haiz123321]

Before I activate my backlog breaker...
*Flies in and pat's Cadia Zwei*
Koumyou:Sorry that i left you along so long ^^ Com short circuited cause my dad wanted to save $70 for hiring an electrician so he decided to waste $130 to fix my com instead -_-ll
Cadia Zwei: Dare?
Koumyou: Ahh my bad, I went off for a long time before coming back, just don't gl-
*is glomped*
Koumyou: Make sure you that do that 10 times better to Kha
Cadia Zwei: Hai hai ^^

Now then...

I am the ink of my pen
Time is what i lack and paper is what i need
I have wasted over a thousand days
Unaware of want
Nor aware of need
Have cleared backlogs on many occasions
Yet I'll never be spared from it
I present to you
UNLIMITED BACKLOG-BREAKER WORKS

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Slowly. I sorta pumped that prologue chapter out without too much effort, but now I'm sitting back and taking a look at where I want the series to go. It's mostly plotted out, this being just the A's timeline I'm working on and not the whole thing, but there are still some details that need to be hashed out before I keep going.

Take your time

There's also a possibility that he'll wind up being Yuuno's 'rival' for the duration of the series, with Yuuno getting himself an S2U to be able to keep up with Alex. I may not think too much of ferret boy, but he does deserve a little more time in the spotlight... so long as he doesn't get between Nanoha and Fate....

Yuuno using a staff? Now THAT'S intresting

I've also been giving more thought to how exactly his rare skill works and what the effects are. At present the best thing I could compare it to would be the SEED Factor, sans the jewel effect.

=O S.E.E.D

Anyways... I've also had my attention diverted in the past few hours by a new character concept for an OC who gets introduced in the timeskip, but I want to work out her character concept with Kero and Kha before I go off half-cocked and post anything about her here; we all know what happens when I post a character concept without completely thinking it through...

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

NOOOO! USB, you FIEND! How could you take Reis-chan from us?!






[Tenth Doctor]What...WHAT...WHAT?![/Tenth Doctor]


AAAAA-RONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!


WHAT IS THIS ABOMINATION?!

Zat, my friend, is ze pinnacle of life

*Pats Cadia's head before going off*
Cadia Zwei: Bai bai Koumyou-onii tan

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Keroko

This has me thinking... concidering the Wolkies are technically programs, wouldn't that mean they're affected by Crash too?

One must remember that one of the prerequisits to something going wrong around crash is that there has to be something that can go wrong.

Unlike the characteristics of Seina Yamada in Tenchi GXP, who's horrible fortune takes every potshot at him that possibly can occure... Crash's 'Murphy's Law' effect is not so much a series of random events, as much as a boosted probability of existing values.

In this case, he could climb on a well made and welded jungle gym and nothing happens. However, if he climbs on an old rusted one, made with bolts, half of which are loose... you can bet a large fortune the bolts will start popping out of the frame and the whole thing will collapse.


Likewise between himself, Reinforce Zwei, and the Wolkies... you must first identify something that would have a high probability of breaking in the first place.

In the case of Rein... She actively Unisons with people, yet there is always a moderate risk of unknowns not being compatable. And there's always a risk of incompatabilities reacting like matter to antimatter.

With the Wolkies, there isn't really anything innately mechanical that can 'go wrong' unless you start bludgoning them to death with a baseball bat.
Of course, there is a MINOR chance that with Crash's probability enhancement, he could turn and point at someone while talking, and accidently poke... say... Signum in the breast. And she would react in a violent (And rather uncharacteristly impulsive) manner to the unwelcome touch. (Ken Akamatsu style.) And such reaction would result in Crash getting his ass kicked through a few walls only to come out of it going "WHAT'D I DO?!" While at the same time Signum would recover and be like "What did I just do? WHY did I just do that?"


Of course, the people who know Crash don't actually know that there needs to a prerequisit probability of something failing before he can cause it to fail. They just see him as a walking Murphy's Law.

This is one reason the way the Crash Dominos in the mock battle chapter worked the way they did. Both the cartridges, and the communications tower had no problems in close proximity to crash. However the moment he sent Nanoha's case airborne, there was an introduction of the highly unlikely probability of one of the cartridges randomly finding its way into the microwave - waveguide of the Xmitter tower. And once that went off, new probabilities of damage and collapse were introduced, dominoing until the whole thing came down on Crash.


This is what makes the Final Destination ability something nasty. If you can visualize a chain reaction, however unlikely, chances are it can happen. And if Crash realized this, and knew to study his environment for ways to set off these chain reactions, he could introduce an uncertainty to a stable environment that results in a catastrophic chain reaction.

Of course, this won't become prudent untill near the end of the story when he's trying to find a way to take out the Robot Menace Z-01. And even then, he won't realize it to what its full potential could be. It'll just be a more offhand "WAIT A SECOND!" moment when he offhandedly notes the volitility of the environment around him and decides to use it offensively. Other than that, Mid-childa is safe. (For now. Imagine years down the road and Mishima has gotten ahold of him and forced him to master his 'ability' to the point where he causes minor things just to irritate people he doesn't like. Like leaving a supermarket, but tapping something on the newspaper stand as he leaves because he got bad service... and a minute or two later, the stack of food cans next to the guy who irritated him collapses thanks to a string of bizzare coincidences.)

But Crash is more fun when he doesn't have a clue what's really going on.

[PhoenixG]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

*pops in and pats Cadia Zwei's head*

Ugh...-_-
Cadia Zwei: Aaron onii-tan!!! *glomps*
*is glomped*

^^;;

Random quotage to make me feel better...=_=
I miss the OC and the high-level of activity soooo much! ;_______;


Well, gotta go back to my busy world again...;_;

Cadia Zwei: Bai-bai, Onii-tan!

*pats Cadia Zwei's head again and pops out*

Shouldn't it be Ojii-tan? :3

RUNS

[arkhangelsk]

Spoiler for Space Saving:

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Now correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you several months ago arguing that what we know as Enforcers are really 2nd in commands of units? The 2IC of any unit is by definition within the chain of command, not outside of it.

Well, so this newly discovered source (not new since it clearly came before StrikerS even started, just that it never crossed into my scope) blew my solution out of the water. New inputs creates change in firing solution. It happens, especially with solutions based on a single point of reference point (translation of "Executive Officer") due to limited data and was half made out of a desire to find an interpretation that gives a tiny shred of competence to the TSAB. OK, so it didn't work.

All the same, I don't see how it supports the traditional, zero-reference-point SWAT-team like "Enforcer" solution, like the squads of Enforcers sent towards Erusia...

Further, the entire length of Japanese elaborative text never said it is out of the chain of command. And both canon examples of "shitsumukan" are clearly subordinated to commanders.

And as has been repeated, the term Inspector is so vague as to be almost meaningless. In Commonwealth police forces, it's a moderately junior field-level rank.

Keibu (translated to Inspector / Captain) is a fairly junior rank in the Japanese police force as well (if you are "Career", you get that post after one year's service, Auto).

The rest of the description went to describe exactly what they do, though. I definitely don't see "inspecting on your own" in it anywhere.

Further, apparently to a Japanese who looks close, it is really a little more descriptive than that. In the Japanese system, keibu is the lowest rank that is empowered to exercise all of the Law Enforcement (司法) powers listed in their laws.

It goes something like this. You become a normal police officer, and that qualifies you to be a "司法巡査", with certain restrictions. Then you advance to Sergeant (巡査部長) or transfer into a job where you might need the extra powers and become a "司法警察員", which gives you the power to "Take Custody of a Suspect", "Offer a chance for the suspect to defend himself", to release said suspect or send him to the Prosecutor and a few more . The law also grants the power to apply for an Arrest Warrant, but the National and Regional Public Safety Commissions restricts this right to selected keibu or senior officers. Thus, keibu is effectively the first rank when you can be fully unrestricted. You might try looking up more here.

Also, something that I was wondering about. If Chrono was really the Athra's 2IC... why is it he was never adressed as Vice-Captain (Fukuchou)? Lindy's the Captain and is adressed as "Kanchou", so logically if Chrono was the XO he'd have been adressed as "Vice-Captain"

If you had asked me back then (though I was a little busy then and didn't really look at the storm of replies my blurb made), my answer would have gone something like this: The same reason that American Executive Officers are called "XO" and not "Deputy Commander" or "Vice Commander" - it's a custom. But that's all water under the bridge now.

Also, isn't "Enforce" and "Enforcement" the same thing in Japanese?

Yeah. The problem is that the word "Enforce" was never in the Japanese - the word was indeed "Execute" or "Execute Duty", thus "Executive Officer" was a perfectly valid mapping. Much less the interpretations some have placed on it.

It depends; like TK said you'll also find FBI Inspectors dispatched as roving troubleshooters - think of it as one job, with two "streams"/career paths, so some guys will be checking on their own people while others will be troubleshooters and others will be leading important investigations.

But where's the evidence of the Internal Investigation stream? The only guy that seems to be doing that is Acous as a 査察官. With a clearly different term being used to describe a man who clearly is doing the FBI Inspector job, it is quite hard to justify linking 執務官 to it as well.

[Wild Goose]

Spoiler for Space Saving:

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Well, so this newly discovered source (not new since it clearly came before StrikerS even started, just that it never crossed into my scope) blew my solution out of the water. New inputs creates change in firing solution. It happens, especially with solutions based on a single point of reference point (translation of "Executive Officer") due to limited data and was half made out of a desire to find an interpretation that gives a tiny shred of competence to the TSAB. OK, so it didn't work.

All the same, I don't see how it supports the traditional, zero-reference-point SWAT-team like "Enforcer" solution, like the squads of Enforcers sent towards Erusia...

Further, the entire length of Japanese elaborative text never said it is out of the chain of command. And both canon examples of "shitsumukan" are clearly subordinated to commanders.

Point in the interpretations and issues with such.

I'm not sure how the idea of Enforcers as SWAT came about as well, though from what we've seen in canon they tend to do a mix of investigative work as well as busting heads, but most of the time apparently focus on investigation. The Enforcers being deployed to Erusia were mostly being sent there for investigatory/law-enforcement purposes, since the TSAB leadership realised that they'd be breaking down the whole structure and would need to run law enforcement as well... hell the SWAT-like mages that we see in MSLN and A's are using standard TSAB gear, and not the black uniform that Chrono uses, so IMO the idea of Enforcers as SWAT is a misattribution.

Now that I think about it, wasn't it Kha who was pushing the Enforcer = SWAT angle?

Also, while both instances of shitsumukan are clearly subordinated to commanders, we don't really see them doing the sort of things that XOs do: paperwork, administration, keeping things running together... IMO Griff was a lot closer to being an XO for Hayate compared to Fate.

Keibu (translated to Inspector / Captain) is a fairly junior rank in the Japanese police force as well (if you are "Career", you get that post after one year's service, Auto).

The rest of the description went to describe exactly what they do, though. I definitely don't see "inspecting on your own" in it anywhere.

Further, apparently to a Japanese who looks close, it is really a little more descriptive than that. In the Japanese system, keibu is the lowest rank that is empowered to exercise all of the Law Enforcement (司法) powers listed in their laws.

It goes something like this. You become a normal police officer, and that qualifies you to be a "司法巡査", with certain restrictions. Then you advance to Sergeant (巡査部長) or transfer into a job where you might need the extra powers and become a "司法警察員", which gives you the power to "Take Custody of a Suspect", "Offer a chance for the suspect to defend himself", to release said suspect or send him to the Prosecutor and a few more . The law also grants the power to apply for an Arrest Warrant, but the National and Regional Public Safety Commissions restricts this right to selected keibu or senior officers. Thus, keibu is effectively the first rank when you can be fully unrestricted. You might try looking up more here

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Hmmmm. Interesting. So basically what the author is trying to say is that your basic Enforcer is the lowest rank with arrest/release/enforcement powers that can operate without restrictrions? Makes sense. Then there'd of course be higher ranks and the like...isn't Fate called an Agent or something?

I would like to point out, however, that while I have some slight knowledge of Japanese, I do not read it.

If you had asked me back then (though I was a little busy then and didn't really look at the storm of replies my blurb made), my answer would have gone something like this: The same reason that American Executive Officers are called "XO" and not "Deputy Commander" or "Vice Commander" - it's a custom. But that's all water under the bridge now.

...ark, fukuchou is what the 2nd in commands of ships are called in Japan. It's also a custom. And besides I only just remembered it yesterday. That said I do have more important things to worry about, like getting ready wedding slides for a friend's wedding tomorrow morning.

Yeah. The problem is that the word "Enforce" was never in the Japanese - the word was indeed "Execute" or "Execute Duty", thus "Executive Officer" was a perfectly valid mapping. Much less the interpretations some have placed on it.

*blinks* Oh, right. Forgot that.

But where's the evidence of the Internal Investigation stream? The only guy that seems to be doing that is Acous as a 査察官. With a clearly different term being used to describe a man who clearly is doing the FBI Inspector job, it is quite hard to justify linking 執務官 to it as well.

Point.

Memo to self: Save up money and start taking Japanese lessons.

[Liingo]

-Just going to butt in on the conversation for a sec.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Now that I think about it, wasn't it Kha who was pushing the Enforcer = SWAT angle?

*raises hand* Nope, that was me While enforcers had been used for OC's prior to my beginnings in the thread, I was the one who first had them as a SWAT-ish angle. (Not something I had in mind.. it was Lowe who pointed it out to me first. I was going more for spec-ops) See fic if you really want to read it. Lowe's comment comes in a few pages later.

That said though, this was before all this info was known about, so I've ret-conning myself to get back to canon.

Hmmmm. Interesting. So basically what the author is trying to say is that your basic Enforcer is the lowest rank with arrest/release/enforcement powers that can operate without restrictrions? Makes sense. Then there'd of course be higher ranks and the like...isn't Fate called an Agent or something?

Yep. Well that's what yesy had translated it as.

Memo to self: Save up money and start taking Japanese lessons.

Yep, it's fun stuff.

[Kha]

All the more reason to push a moderately thought-out fic through first than an elaborately thought-out but bound to miss something profile...

[Wild Goose]

For a change, a different target.

Spoiler:

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Though I'm not really taht annoyed with you.

[Kha]

Well pretty much none of us were milotakus until you guys came so errors will come up.

[Wild Goose]

At least the milotakus write crack that makes sense.

I mean, yeah, Signum captaining the Macross Cadia, firing the Macross Cannon codenamed Sturm Falken makes lots of sense. Yeah. Really.

[Keroko]

And yet mil-otaku crack tends to not resemble Nanoha if they're not carefull.