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Spat · 2012-02-20, 18:13

Well, Yukki finally became a man. He's gotta work on his evil laughter though...

willyvereb · 2012-02-20, 18:20

Actually, I remember Deus suggesting Yukiteru to win the game in order to resurrect his parents. Maybe I'm remembering that part wrong, though.

Anyways, all the Diary Holders expect to resurrect anyone thery want after becoming a God. It was the most evident with Kurusu (4th)'s behavior. He didn't mind that his family was taken hostage and continued on with pursuing Yukiteru.

Although given the setting it's possible that there's a large deception going on. Even though I doubt Dues has a reason to lie.

As for "Yuno" "losing" her theorized godlike powers. Isn't Dues getting consistently weaker? Which means a potential alternate world Yuno with the power of God would be the superior thus Deus should be the one getting dethroned instead?

I mean using this theory, taking over Deus' position would be a much easier way for Yuno to get what she wants. Isn't that right?
Although, Yuno IS insane so using rational deduction maybe isn't the best way to explain her actions.

thundrakkon · 2012-02-20, 19:02

From that scene, Deus said it was impossible. He said he no longer had the ability to affect the causality continuum. It was Muru who was be a little sly, suggesting that if he wins, he can "save" everyone and grant his wish. I doubt Deus has any reason to lie, but Muru has been a little deceptive at times, hiding things. Btw, what the heck is Muru? Did they explain what she is?

That said, it looks like they can only affect and manipulate time, maybe affecting fate. Outright resurrection does not seem like a true ability. At best, they might go back in time and affect the fate of certain people. Although, of course, the original person who becomes god no longer is the person that the altered timeline affected. I.e. they cannot live in the life of the altered timeline... unless they do what Yuno had done.

As for alternate world Yuno with god powers, I'm not even sure how I can logically think that would work with 2 god of time existing in the same space.

Arya · 2012-02-20, 19:13

mmm, Yukki changed so fast, but in the end was all Yuno's. But at the end we are there again. Yuno <put whatever you want> and Yukki turn her down again. Who cares who is she right now? Plus I suspect that Akise, as a new Jessica Fletcher, showed some umbilical cord he took from somewhere and build up a trap for Yuno.
Yuno, Yuno, what's wrong with you, shoot when you can.
Anyways, both the theories have some apparent holes, if she were a twin, how could she be so smart, professional,athletic, etc? (probably in the same way Yukiteru become a professional shooter and driver?

) She is like a cyborg. Insanity is not enough as a cause for her to be such a (awesome, more with that black suit) killer machine.
But the same problem rises if she came from another dimension, (or same dimension, looping through the time ala ****ka), how could she have won the game in the first place. By chance? And I don't go on further implications.
So I guess the first is the more plausible between the two. And since she is not Yuno, I find hard to be her sister too, giving her abilities. So she is an impostor.
My speculations stop here because right now Yuno could be anyone or everything.
For a minor issue her flashbacks are really hers or memories of the real Yuno?

willyvereb · 2012-02-20, 19:34

Hell, given the wicked nature of the series those flashbacks could be even Yuno's altered memories. In short they might as well be fake or at least deceiving at the important parts.

Remember how Yuno managed to erase the entire event about Yuki visiting her home? Or when she purposely "forgot" about Akise and the rest?

She might as well did it with the memory about killing the Gasai family. This "Yuno" appears to be a master at making her own mind believe the BS she's creating. She seems to be a professional liar.

Perhaps this theory might be taking it a bit too far.

rafael1932 · 2012-02-20, 21:16

Yuno is giving me a bon.. with her new outfit and yuki is still a coward for not believing on her in the end. Serious how stupid a guy can be ?

Damn i love the way how yuno killed them,

totoum · 2012-02-20, 21:22

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Originally Posted by rafael1932

Ywith her new outfit and yuki is still a coward for not believing on her in the end. Serious how stupid a guy can be

You know it's pretty hard to go against DNA test evidence

Lumir · 2012-02-21, 00:03

Wow yuki still disappoints. Same dna? So what? She could either be a ghost or have a twin sister. Either way she said she was willing to die when it came down to just the 2 of him. Then again he could have just backed up (removed his hand from hers) in shock. Guess we will see next ep.

totoum · 2012-02-21, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Lumir

Either way she said she was willing to die when it came down to just the 2 of him.

And she might not even be the person she told you she was,who's to say she isn't lying about that to?

Using Yuki because he's got a really useful diary and then kill him off once he's of no use anymore sounds like a nice plan.

TheForsaken · 2012-02-21, 00:51

Yeah, people like to say that Yukki is nothing without Yuno, but the reverse is the same: Yuno is nothing without Yukki.
If Yukki is killed or locked up then both his and Yuno's diary will become useless.
If Yukki die, she'll die too.
So we can't say that Yuno doesn't have an ulterior motive when she's trying so hard to protect him.

TheChillburger · 2012-02-21, 01:34

I was pretty happy to see Yuki finally go into the awesome mode I kept hearing about from the manga readers. I can't help but feel that something horrible is going to happen if he (or whoever wins) does actually win the game, especially with seeing Deus decay like that. I wonder how much of his power the winner will actually receive?

The corpse twist was also quite cool. I wonder how long "Yuno" has been around. Maybe her parents actually killed the real Yuno and replaced her with the adopted child or something.

Malkuth · 2012-02-21, 05:18

See the positive side... after 18 episodes, at least Yukiteru can pretend having balls

miketyson · 2012-02-21, 05:28

Small footnote: at about the time this manga was being written there was a western-born mayor (or city councilman, I forget) somewhere in Japan. Can't remember his name or which area but I definitely did a double-take when I saw him mentioned in an article. I think John Bacchus being a westerner has more to do with his being a bad guy than anything else, but it's not *completely* unheard of.

warita · 2012-02-21, 06:27

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Originally Posted by totoum

You know it's pretty hard to go against DNA test evidence

Thats not the point. The point is, that no matter who she is, she is on Yukkis side and his helping.

Now, if I were to have doubts, I would think there is some truth to this view of things:

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Yeah, people like to say that Yukki is nothing without Yuno, but the reverse is the same: Yuno is nothing without Yukki.
If Yukki is killed or locked up then both his and Yuno's diary will become useless.
If Yukki die, she'll die too.
So we can't say that Yuno doesn't have an ulterior motive when she's trying so hard to protect him.

Now this could be true.... I mean, as crazy as Yuno is, there is no telling what her real motives are.

HOWEVER!!! The theory that the current Yuno is not the real Yuno, but somebody just trying to pass for her has a logical flaw. If the real Yuno (who loved Yukki and was obsessed with him died) and was replaced by some imposter who doesnt care about Yukki at all.... then how come the imposter Yunos diary is a love stalker diary? Her diary entries all glorify Yukki and show her boundless devotion to him. So I say Yuno is Yuno and just like somebody in this forum pointed out, it may well be, that the power of God doesnt include the ability to resurrect people, but just to manipulate time and place. If that is so, then Yuno could easily be God from a different dimension, who in this dimension doesnt have her powers, because in our world she is not God.

OR!!! Yuno actually won the game in the future and has become God. But she cant resurrect Yukki, that is not part of her abilities. She can however go back in time to try to save Yukki and thats precisely what she is doing. She goes back in time, she kills her old naive self, takes her place and does her outmost to change the outcome this time. And for all we know, this cycle might be repeating itself endlessly, because she fails over and over again to save him.... and thats why she is the perfect killing machine. She just had loads of practise by now! (although, it doesnt explain how she won the game in the first round.... but this anime doesnt dwelve so much on details, does it?)

Sides · 2012-02-21, 06:54

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Originally Posted by warita

HOWEVER!!! The theory that the current Yuno is not the real Yuno, but somebody just trying to pass for her has a logical flaw. If the real Yuno (who loved Yukki and was obsessed with him died) and was replaced by some imposter who doesnt care about Yukki at all.... then how come the imposter Yunos diary is a love stalker diary? Her diary entries all glorify Yukki and show her boundless devotion to him. So I say Yuno is Yuno and just like somebody in this forum pointed out, it may well be, that the power of God doesnt include the ability to resurrect people, but just to manipulate time and place. If that is so, then Yuno could easily be God from a different dimension, who in this dimension doesnt have her powers, because in our world she is not God.

Don't think Yukki and Yuno were close in the past, so technically he never knew her besides being a school mate. Since human are really bad in recognising other people, especially if they are not close, there is chance that the current Yuno, replaced the real Yuno, before the scene in the class room, where she decided to be Yukki's wife. So chances are that the current Yuno is the one who had a crush on Yukki all along, meaning that the real Yuno Gaisai never was aware of Yukki.
So who is the current Yuno? Well she is a stalker after all, so maybe Yuno Gaisai was her first obsession and victim, who she replaced afterwards.

miketyson · 2012-02-21, 07:40

Finally caught up on episode 19. Seeing how much better the show works when it's at breakneck pace, I have to question the planning for the series. I can see the appeal of having the kidnapping be the mid-season cliffhanger, but if (1) they'd had a few fewer episodes (24 or 22, not 26) and (b) they'd gone a little faster through the first half (the weaker half, imho) it might have turned out a bit better. This faster-paced second half has been pretty strong, and far more consistently than the hit-or-miss, often "stretched-out-feeling" first half.

The main problem with all these "Yuno is a god" theories is that you have to explain why she'd leave the bodies in the house like that if she's powerful enough to jump back in time or hop over to a parallel universe, etc.; seems like a pretty weird mistake to make.

Arya · 2012-02-21, 08:16

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Originally Posted by TheForsaken

Yeah, people like to say that Yukki is nothing without Yuno, but the reverse is the same: Yuno is nothing without Yukki.
If Yukki is killed or locked up then both his and Yuno's diary will become useless.
If Yukki die, she'll die too.
So we can't say that Yuno doesn't have an ulterior motive when she's trying so hard to protect him.

It would be awesome if this were the case.
Actually Yuno diary is really pointless w/o Yukki. I didn't ever think about that, thinking that Yuno's crush on him was something due to her craziness. But I knew that there'd be a problem due to their being the last two gamers alive. But I never thought Yuno had tricked him from the start. But, as pointed out by warita, then how come the impostor Yunos diary is a love stalker diary? In some way or another true/impostor Yuno had a crush on him. So her feeling had to be real in some (her) way.

BTW IIRC, Yuki wasn't meant to open that door, so why opening was so relevant on the whole game? Plus Yuno and Yukki were meant to sleep together that night. And after that they didn't.
One more thing, if I recollect Yukki saw only two corpses. So the real Yuno was murdered probably ... later? But how our Yuno disguised herself at school then? So she had to die earlier. But there is another hypothesis, that the real Yuno really killed their parent and our Yuno got her memories for herself later, before killing her. But then again another question rises. Why take her place in the first place (no pun intended)?

So here the my last thesis on it

So what if Yuno were her twin, but since they were orphans, Yuno family took not both of them, but only Yuno? So, after several years our Yuno found her sister again and started stalking her. That would explain her stalker behavior. And since quite each character of this series, except Yukiteru, got past such an awful life/experiences, who knows what our poor Yuno could have experienced to became as she is now.

Arya · 2012-02-21, 08:29

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Originally Posted by miketyson

The main problem with all these "Yuno is a god" theories is that you have to explain why she'd leave the bodies in the house like that if she's powerful enough to jump back in time or hop over to a parallel universe, etc.; seems like a pretty weird mistake to make.

Even leave a deep crater in place of that room it's a weird mistake to make. Being she a god or not.

warita · 2012-02-21, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Arya

So what if Yuno were her twin, but since they were orphans, Yuno family took not both of them, but only Yuno? So, after several years our Yuno found her sister again and started stalking her. That would explain her stalker behavior. And since quite each character of this series, except Yukiteru, got past such an awful life/experiences, who knows what our poor Yuno could have experienced to became as she is now.

The twin theory cannot be completely dismissed, true..... But if there were twins, how come Akise didnt find that out and claims that Yuno is an imposter? Wouldnt it be more logical for Akise to warn Yukki, that it isnt Yuno, but her crazy twin sister who killed the real Yuno? This is also further supported by how they were stressing the DNA results. If they knew Yuno had a twin sister, it wouldnt be so surprising the DNA matches.

Also just like Kitten320 pointed out, Yuno is too good at killing and this ability cant come out of nowhere. Admitedly a lot of things come out of nowhere in this anime, but I still feel, that Yunos killer skills are a big hint. It means that Yuno is used to killing, she has loads of experience.... but where does that come from? I say she loops through time trying to save Yukki, but somehow always fails.... I must admit though, I dont want a madoka plot twist in this anime. This is mirai nikki so please give me an original explanation!!!

Arya · 2012-02-21, 10:48

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Originally Posted by warita

The twin theory cannot be completely dismissed, true..... But if there were twins, how come Akise didnt find that out and claims that Yuno is an imposter? Wouldnt it be more logical for Akise to warn Yukki, that it isnt Yuno, but her crazy twin sister who killed the real Yuno? This is also further supported by how they were stressing the DNA results. If they knew Yuno had a twin sister, it wouldnt be so surprising the DNA matches.

Also just like Kitten320 pointed out, Yuno is too good at killing and this ability cant come out of nowhere. Admitedly a lot of things come out of nowhere in this anime, but I still feel, that Yunos killer skills are a big hint. It means that Yuno is used to killing, she has loads of experience.... but where does that come from? I say she loops through time trying to save Yukki, but somehow always fails.... I must admit though, I dont want a madoka plot twist in this anime. This is mirai nikki so please give me an original explanation!!!

About Akise I have the feeling he has nothing in his hands. He got a hint that Yuno is not who she claim to be, so he thought that she were an impostor. Yuno could not say anything in both cases, twin or impostor, because it doesn't change that the real Yuno is dead. BUT if the orphanage has Yuno's records, it has to have her twin's records, too. So he should know at least Yuno had a twin. Or Akise lied on everything but the adoption to expose the fake Yuno.

I agree that from whatever angle you watch it, Yuno's skills have no explanations**, so far. And I guess nobody want a Madoka-like plot here.

**Except learning them simply through her life experiences, like Minene.

2012-02-20, 18:20	Link #1462
willyvereb Mad Scientist #0000 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hungry Age: 35	Actually, I remember Deus suggesting Yukiteru to win the game in order to resurrect his parents. Maybe I'm remembering that part wrong, though. Anyways, all the Diary Holders expect to resurrect anyone thery want after becoming a God. It was the most evident with Kurusu (4th)'s behavior. He didn't mind that his family was taken hostage and continued on with pursuing Yukiteru. Although given the setting it's possible that there's a large deception going on. Even though I doubt Dues has a reason to lie. As for "Yuno" "losing" her theorized godlike powers. Isn't Dues getting consistently weaker? Which means a potential alternate world Yuno with the power of God would be the superior thus Deus should be the one getting dethroned instead? I mean using this theory, taking over Deus' position would be a much easier way for Yuno to get what she wants. Isn't that right? Although, Yuno IS insane so using rational deduction maybe isn't the best way to explain her actions. Last edited by willyvereb; 2012-02-20 at 18:30.

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thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	From that scene, Deus said it was impossible. He said he no longer had the ability to affect the causality continuum. It was Muru who was be a little sly, suggesting that if he wins, he can "save" everyone and grant his wish. I doubt Deus has any reason to lie, but Muru has been a little deceptive at times, hiding things. Btw, what the heck is Muru? Did they explain what she is? That said, it looks like they can only affect and manipulate time, maybe affecting fate. Outright resurrection does not seem like a true ability. At best, they might go back in time and affect the fate of certain people. Although, of course, the original person who becomes god no longer is the person that the altered timeline affected. I.e. they cannot live in the life of the altered timeline... unless they do what Yuno had done. As for alternate world Yuno with god powers, I'm not even sure how I can logically think that would work with 2 god of time existing in the same space. __________________

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Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	mmm, Yukki changed so fast, but in the end was all Yuno's. But at the end we are there again. Yuno <put whatever you want> and Yukki turn her down again. Who cares who is she right now? Plus I suspect that Akise, as a new Jessica Fletcher, showed some umbilical cord he took from somewhere and build up a trap for Yuno. Yuno, Yuno, what's wrong with you, shoot when you can. Anyways, both the theories have some apparent holes, if she were a twin, how could she be so smart, professional,athletic, etc? (probably in the same way Yukiteru become a professional shooter and driver? ) She is like a cyborg. Insanity is not enough as a cause for her to be such a (awesome, more with that black suit) killer machine. But the same problem rises if she came from another dimension, (or same dimension, looping through the time ala **ka), how could she have won the game in the first place. By chance? And I don't go on further implications. So I guess the first is the more plausible between the two. And since she is not Yuno, I find hard to be her sister too, giving her abilities. So she is an impostor. My speculations stop here because right now Yuno could be anyone or everything. For a minor issue her flashbacks are really hers or memories of the real Yuno? __________________ The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.**

2012-02-21, 00:03	Link #1468
Lumir Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 37	Wow yuki still disappoints. Same dna? So what? She could either be a ghost or have a twin sister. Either way she said she was willing to die when it came down to just the 2 of him. Then again he could have just backed up (removed his hand from hers) in shock. Guess we will see next ep. __________________

2012-02-21, 00:51	Link #1470
TheForsaken Winter is coming Join Date: Aug 2008	Yeah, people like to say that Yukki is nothing without Yuno, but the reverse is the same: Yuno is nothing without Yukki. If Yukki is killed or locked up then both his and Yuno's diary will become useless. If Yukki die, she'll die too. So we can't say that Yuno doesn't have an ulterior motive when she's trying so hard to protect him. __________________

2012-02-20, 18:13	Link #1461
Spat Member Join Date: May 2011	Well, Yukki finally became a man. He's gotta work on his evil laughter though...

2012-02-20, 19:34	Link #1465
willyvereb Mad Scientist #0000 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hungry Age: 35	Hell, given the wicked nature of the series those flashbacks could be even Yuno's altered memories. In short they might as well be fake or at least deceiving at the important parts. Remember how Yuno managed to erase the entire event about Yuki visiting her home? Or when she purposely "forgot" about Akise and the rest? She might as well did it with the memory about killing the Gasai family. This "Yuno" appears to be a master at making her own mind believe the BS she's creating. She seems to be a professional liar. Perhaps this theory might be taking it a bit too far.

2012-02-20, 21:16	Link #1466
rafael1932 claymores pimp Join Date: Oct 2010	Yuno is giving me a bon.. with her new outfit and yuki is still a coward for not believing on her in the end. Serious how stupid a guy can be ? Damn i love the way how yuno killed them,

2012-02-21, 01:34	Link #1471
TheChillburger Putter of Guns On Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: North Carolina	I was pretty happy to see Yuki finally go into the awesome mode I kept hearing about from the manga readers. I can't help but feel that something horrible is going to happen if he (or whoever wins) does actually win the game, especially with seeing Deus decay like that. I wonder how much of his power the winner will actually receive? The corpse twist was also quite cool. I wonder how long "Yuno" has been around. Maybe her parents actually killed the real Yuno and replaced her with the adopted child or something.

2012-02-21, 05:18	Link #1472
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	See the positive side... after 18 episodes, at least Yukiteru can pretend having balls

2012-02-21, 05:28	Link #1473
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	Small footnote: at about the time this manga was being written there was a western-born mayor (or city councilman, I forget) somewhere in Japan. Can't remember his name or which area but I definitely did a double-take when I saw him mentioned in an article. I think John Bacchus being a westerner has more to do with his being a bad guy than anything else, but it's not completely unheard of.

2012-02-21, 07:40	Link #1476
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	Finally caught up on episode 19. Seeing how much better the show works when it's at breakneck pace, I have to question the planning for the series. I can see the appeal of having the kidnapping be the mid-season cliffhanger, but if (1) they'd had a few fewer episodes (24 or 22, not 26) and (b) they'd gone a little faster through the first half (the weaker half, imho) it might have turned out a bit better. This faster-paced second half has been pretty strong, and far more consistently than the hit-or-miss, often "stretched-out-feeling" first half. The main problem with all these "Yuno is a god" theories is that you have to explain why she'd leave the bodies in the house like that if she's powerful enough to jump back in time or hop over to a parallel universe, etc.; seems like a pretty weird mistake to make.