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Old 2017-12-05, 01:24   Link #17381
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So is Sword Art Online the major exception to this rule of yours then? The games for SAO are action RPGs with VN elements, for instance.
I think that has more to do with the fact that the setting of SAO mostly takes place within VRMMORPGs, not the harem aspects.
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Old 2017-12-05, 05:27   Link #17382
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I suppose both versions of Natsuru from the Kampfer LN-turned-anime being played by Marina Inoue is one of the exceptions.
Considering you get both this and the next thing you attack me for wrong, I have to ask - did you even read my post? Or just skim it and get righteously angry for some reason?

I literally said that it’s common for girls-to-guys to keep their female voice actress. It’s guys-to-girls that don’t usually, due to it being generally harder for a guy to throw their voice to sound like a girl.

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You likely posted your reply while I was still writing mine. So is Sword Art Online the major exception to this rule of yours then? The games for SAO are action RPGs with VN elements, for instance.

I still think that Kadokawa is missing out on a nice opportunity. They already have a studio, Compile Heart, with experience in making action RPGs and the DAL VNs. CH can tweak the story (like they did for the DAL VNs) to allow for a more RPG-type experience, such as Shidou taking out the spirits for dates in order to unlock powers and abilities. Common enemies could be anything from AST members, to Nibelcols, to Kurumi clones, to even Quasi-spirits if the characters go to the spheres mentioned in the Date a Bullet spinoff. It just takes a bit of imagination.

Anyway, a 2D fighting game based on LN characters like Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax is already out. A DAL 2D fighting game would also be doable.
No, Sword Art Online is a shounen show, not a seiner show - that’s the main difference. I said seinen properties usually never get RPGs - shounen properties do all the time.

Although, as Anime says above, the fact that SAO is based on RPGs is another reason. SAO is a harem genre show for sure - but it usually puts far more focus on the RPG elements.
After all, DAL too is based on a type of game as well a being a harem - dating sims- and it got three of those. And who knows, the anime might give us a fourth - although the facf that the ending of the light novels a fast approaching could undermine that, I suppose.
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Old 2017-12-07, 09:28   Link #17383
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Finally, October 2018 - Third Season
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Old 2017-12-07, 10:33   Link #17384
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Finally, October 2018 - Third Season
Welp, gonna wait in 10 months time then
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Old 2017-12-07, 10:36   Link #17385
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What the......that wait. Where’d you get that info, though?

That makes me wonder what their plan is here. By then the LN could very well be over so the time to boost its sales would be gone, so are they really going to animate the whole LN?
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Old 2017-12-07, 10:55   Link #17386
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I don't think that's true. It's just a rumor that started on Facebook with a chinese page. I can tell you, chinese are really ahead everyone else when it comes to DAL stuff but they're not always right when they provide information. No official date has been revealed yet.

PD: If it's true then I apologize.
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Old 2017-12-07, 11:43   Link #17387
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I was about to say, I looked around but couldnít find anywhere else that said any release date.
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Old 2017-12-07, 13:31   Link #17388
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I was about to say, I looked around but couldnít find anywhere else that said any release date.
I found it on FB, looking forward for confirmation
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Old 2017-12-07, 15:49   Link #17389
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They say, while bringing no sources.
Wait till December 20, at least you have the Dragon Magazine to confirm anything.
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Old 2017-12-08, 19:38   Link #17390
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Considering you get both this and the next thing you attack me for wrong, I have to ask - did you even read my post? Or just skim it and get righteously angry for some reason?

I literally said that itís common for girls-to-guys to keep their female voice actress. Itís guys-to-girls that donít usually, due to it being generally harder for a guy to throw their voice to sound like a girl.
Pardon me, I didn't mean to come off as sounding angry. Anyway, my point was that the audience for the Kampfer anime series first sees Natsuru as male, but Marina Inoue voices him anyway despite that, instead of the usual female-to-male portrayals. I completely agree with the second part of this quoted post.

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No, Sword Art Online is a shounen show, not a seiner show - thatís the main difference. I said seinen properties usually never get RPGs - shounen properties do all the time.
Is a show's status as a shounen or seinen determined by the magazine it's published in, or by an official "rating" like the ESRB gives to video games released in the west? Sure, you can say that a show has more of a shounen or seinen style, but is there an official rating somewhere, preferably in English?

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Although, as Anime says above, the fact that SAO is based on RPGs is another reason. SAO is a harem genre show for sure - but it usually puts far more focus on the RPG elements.
After all, DAL too is based on a type of game as well a being a harem - dating sims- and it got three of those. And who knows, the anime might give us a fourth - although the facf that the ending of the light novels a fast approaching could undermine that, I suppose.
Yes, I think it would be good if there was a fourth dating sim released for DAL, to cover the remaining spirits yet to be introduced in the anime series, such as Spirit Origami, Nia, and Mukuro. But as I said earlier, it wouldn't be impossible for someone to make a good framework for DAL as an action RPG in the style of the Neptunia games. Seeing Shidou use his acquired spirit abilities in an RPG would be quite interesting to me.
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Old 2017-12-08, 21:03   Link #17391
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Pardon me, I didn't mean to come off as sounding angry. Anyway, my point was that the audience for the Kampfer anime series first sees Natsuru as male, but Marina Inoue voices him anyway despite that, instead of the usual female-to-male portrayals. I completely agree with the second part of this quoted post.
...You misread me. Again.

I'm saying that characters who are female, but pretend to be, or are transformed into, males, often DO keep their voice actress. This is partly because it is much easier for a woman to drop her voice and sound male than vice versa.

Marina Inoue has the vocal range to sound male. Nobunaga Shimazaki (who plays Shido) doesn't have the vocal range to sound female - and definitely not sound female and sing - so Shiori required a new voice actress.

Natsumi will almost certainly be played by a woman with the vocal range to sound both like an angry, depressed little girl, and a sensual, flirtatious woman.
Again, look at Yugi Mutou - or Homura Akemi. Both have violently contrasting personae, but are played by one voice actor/actress.

Bottom line: There is almost no chance that Natsumi or Origami will have more than once voice actress in Date A Live III.

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Is a show's status as a shounen or seinen determined by the magazine it's published in, or by an official "rating" like the ESRB gives to video games released in the west? Sure, you can say that a show has more of a shounen or seinen style, but is there an official rating somewhere, preferably in English?
Neither. It's a genre, like the difference between a children's book, like Harry Potter, and a teen book, like Twilight, although not quite as clear-cut.

If you were to walk into a Japanese bookshop, you would find, say, Dragon Ball in the shounen section - because it is aimed at younger men (typically up to around 15-16), whereas Date A Live would be in the seinen section - because it is aimed at older men (typically 16-24).
It's 'status' is determined by who it is marketed to/written for/ and yes, often, by the magazine it is published in. Stuff like SAO is a grey area.

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Yes, I think it would be good if there was a fourth dating sim released for DAL, to cover the remaining spirits yet to be introduced in the anime series, such as Spirit Origami, Nia, and Mukuro. But as I said earlier, it wouldn't be impossible for someone to make a good framework for DAL as an action RPG in the style of the Neptunia games. Seeing Shidou use his acquired spirit abilities in an RPG would be quite interesting to me.
Date A Live is based on dating sim tropes, by the author's admission. Thusly, dating sims are the go-to choice for a video game adaptation.
In fact, a lot of harem light novels get dating sim adaptations - both Infinite Stratos and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya did as well.

Could Date A Live be adapted into an RPG? Yes, easily. Will it be? No almost certainly not. Date A Live is a harem novel - a romance novel. They don't get RPG adaptations unless they have some form of RPG set up from the get-go. Date A Live doesn't.
I'm not saying Date A Live couldn't be adapted into an RPG, I'm saying it won't be and explaining why.

Not to mention, RPGS are a lot more expensive to make than dating sims, and DAL isn't really popular enough to justify it. Hell, Highschool DxD has far more to offer as far as an RPG goes, and it doesn't even have a dating sim yet, iirc.

The fact that the light novels are ending easily within the next year-or-so just adds more reasons why Kadokawa wouldn't see an RPG adaptation as all that viable.
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Old 2017-12-09, 23:08   Link #17392
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...You misread me. Again.

I'm saying that characters who are female, but pretend to be, or are transformed into, males, often DO keep their voice actress. This is partly because it is much easier for a woman to drop her voice and sound male than vice versa.
I just wanted to bring up Kampfer because the audience sees him first as a male that transforms into a female character during the course of the plot as a minor exception to what you mentioned as female seiyuus playing characters who start out as female, but then change into male characters or have to disguise as one.

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Natsumi will almost certainly be played by a woman with the vocal range to sound both like an angry, depressed little girl, and a sensual, flirtatious woman.
Again, look at Yugi Mutou - or Homura Akemi. Both have violently contrasting personae, but are played by one voice actor/actress.
Aside from Rie Tanaka and Rina Satou, one other JP voice actress I can think of who might fit the bill for Natsumi is Kaori Nazuka. She can play seductive women just fine, like Sango Shizuku from Kampfer, and childish characters like Lynette Bishop from Strike Witches, or even two-faced angry characters like the famous Tsukasa Ayatsuji from Amagami.

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Bottom line: There is almost no chance that Natsumi or Origami will have more than once voice actress in Date A Live III.
I'd like to think that Misuzu Togashi will knock it out of the park when it comes time to play Deregami, like Ami Koshimizu did as Kallen Stadtfeld from Code Geass. I'll be happy if Togashi doesn't hurt her voice giving that infamous page-long scream while still sounding like all her hope has been destroyed.

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Neither. It's a genre, like the difference between a children's book, like Harry Potter, and a teen book, like Twilight, although not quite as clear-cut.
I know that 18+ books and other media in Japan have clear ratings on the cover or box. I was thinking that with the trend in Japan towards increased censorship they'd start applying age rating labels to non-18+ books too, so Japanese parents know better than to buy their kids Date a Live or, heaven forbid, Shinmai Maou no Testament, when more Pokemon is "all they should be reading."

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Date A Live is based on dating sim tropes, by the author's admission. Thusly, dating sims are the go-to choice for a video game adaptation.
In fact, a lot of harem light novels get dating sim adaptations - both Infinite Stratos and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya did as well.
Heh, Kotori even tells Shidou something like "you've reached a specific event" right in the early episodes. But the difference is the author is being serious, whereas in the Haganai anime series, the line about Sena making lots of friends with 2D girls is supposed to make the viewers shake their heads in pity.

I remember there was even a dating sim game for Toradora!, too. But most of the time those are more commercial tie-ins than anything. And even the SAO games have dating-sim-type elements where the player can make Kirito spend more time with certain heroines to increase their relationship stat.

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Could Date A Live be adapted into an RPG? Yes, easily. Will it be? No almost certainly not. Date A Live is a harem novel - a romance novel. They don't get RPG adaptations unless they have some form of RPG set up from the get-go. Date A Live doesn't.
I'm not saying Date A Live couldn't be adapted into an RPG, I'm saying it won't be and explaining why.
I did say that an RPG isn't the only option, just one with the ability to yield the most dividends if done right. To Aru Majutsu no Index even got a fighting game for the PSP, for instance. Compile Heart has been putting out a lot of Neptunia games; letting them try their hand at making a DAL RPG with the same budget and similar mechanics to the Neptunia series would be worth a shot. Would you like to see Shido to test his mettle in battle against Nightmare Maid Kurumin who kills with "accidents" and her "clumsy girl" charms?



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Not to mention, RPGS are a lot more expensive to make than dating sims, and DAL isn't really popular enough to justify it. Hell, Highschool DxD has far more to offer as far as an RPG goes, and it doesn't even have a dating sim yet, iirc.
Dating sims are relatively easy to program because there aren't that many elements beyond a user interface, story paths to program, art and sound assets, and the oodles and oodles of text needed to tell the story. No surprise why there are so many independent VN developers beyond just the big-name companies in Japan. No idea why Highschool DxD hasn't had a game tie-in yet though.

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The fact that the light novels are ending easily within the next year-or-so just adds more reasons why Kadokawa wouldn't see an RPG adaptation as all that viable.
I remember that longer running series like the original Sailor Moon anime series and Naruto had filler arcs so the source mangas could catch up or get sufficiently ahead. I don't know why the opposite, which is to delay the release of on-paper sources so that anime adaptations can catch up, hasn't happened to my knowledge. It might be a good idea for DAL if that happened so that the fans can still be hyped for future LN events, instead of having the LN end before the 3rd season even airs.
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So whatís this about about the Kurumi at the end of DAB volume 2 being ďreverseĒ Kurumi and not Inverse Kurumi? Granted this is just one guy in YouTube comments saying it, but heís being pretty insistent.
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I just wanted to bring up Kampfer because the audience sees him first as a male that transforms into a female character during the course of the plot as a minor exception to what you mentioned as female seiyuus playing characters who start out as female, but then change into male characters or have to disguise as one.
Female voice actors voice males all the time - hell, most Digimon protagonists are voiced by women (one of them by Marina Inoue herself). So that isn't surprising at all.

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I know that 18+ books and other media in Japan have clear ratings on the cover or box. I was thinking that with the trend in Japan towards increased censorship they'd start applying age rating labels to non-18+ books too, so Japanese parents know better than to buy their kids Date a Live or, heaven forbid, Shinmai Maou no Testament, when more Pokemon is "all they should be reading."
Date A Live wouldn't be in the section parents would be buying books from. Again, a mom wouldn't go looking for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, and buy Twilight, would she?
Although, manga and light novels aren't normally the type of thing a parent would buy anyway.

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Stuff.
...No offence, but I'm not even quoting most of this. I've explained why DAL getting anything other than a Dating Sim is next-to impossible. If you can't or refuse to understand that, then I've no interest in continuing the conversation tract.


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I remember that longer running series like the original Sailor Moon anime series and Naruto had filler arcs so the source mangas could catch up or get sufficiently ahead. I don't know why the opposite, which is to delay the release of on-paper sources so that anime adaptations can catch up, hasn't happened to my knowledge. It might be a good idea for DAL if that happened so that the fans can still be hyped for future LN events, instead of having the LN end before the 3rd season even airs.
DAL 18 or 19 IS the last. That's what 'climax' means in this context, and DAL has been referred to, twice, as being 'at its climax'. There is NO filler to be added. We're done.
However, DAL's releases are spotty. We could get V18, DAB3 (which, in and of itself, is almost certainly the final one), V19, Encore 8 and Encore 9 next year...or we could just get V18, DAB3 and Encore 8 (assuming, of course, that 18 itself isn't the last one anyway). We just don't know.

And the reason it doesn't happen, is because its suicide. Roughly half of DAL's income is from casual fans, rather than diehards. There are well over 100 light novels released by Kadokawa alone each month. A good portion of them magic/sci-fi harems. If DAL delays releases...it will be forgotten; buried by all of the other lns that are similar.
The longer the gap between released, the more people stop caring. Unless you're a global name, like SAO or Haruhi, that is.

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So what’s this about about the Kurumi at the end of DAB volume 2 being “reverse” Kurumi and not Inverse Kurumi? Granted this is just one guy in YouTube comments saying it, but he’s being pretty insistent.
Reverse and Inverse mean basically the same thing. If there IS a difference, no JP source acknowledges it - The White Queen is listed as ‘Kurumi’s Inverse Form’. I’d inordinate him until we have it translated.
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Old 2017-12-11, 12:48   Link #17395
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Someone told me that Muku may join AST. It may happen, who knows.
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Someone told me that Muku may join AST. It may happen, who knows.
No. She saved some AST members, but she isn't going to join them. She has no knowledge of how to use a Realizer, and Michael is far more OP than any Realizer could be.

She loves Shido too much to join a completely separate organization - that will have no point in existing soon - for no reason. And there us no reason, in- or out-of-universe.
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Yeah, I guess that made sense. I wonder why Muku protected them?
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AST was being used as meatshields for DEM's invasion and iirc Origami who was placed in the same grp as Muku during the fight, went to save them. Otherwise Muku wouldn't have bothered.

I prob have to go back and reread; 100+ chapters of Isekai Smartphone is messing memories.
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Is there an actual picture of Hibiki? Does she look different when she was Empty? How she is her relationship with Kurumi and the others?
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Is there an actual picture of Hibiki? Does she look different when she was Empty? How she is her relationship with Kurumi and the others?
No. Hibiki was never Empty. Her body was, but it was Kurumi's mind. Hibiki's mind was in Kurumi's body for the whole of DAB1.

But yes, her natural body does look slightly different, the girl in white is her:

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As for her relationship with Kurumi, Tsuan and Rinemu, what do you mean?
Like I've said, if you mean 'are there shades of yuri in their relationship?' then no, not really (not any more so than there are between, say, Origami and Tohka, anyway). They're jut friends, and Shido's presence is very strongly felt.

You keep asking the same questions over and over, and the answer is never going to change.
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