2014-03-19, 21:28 | Link #12081 | |
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Your statement about the enemies having "the same patterns" is also wrong. Yes, no enemy is really a villain but that doesn't mean they are the same. We're talking about the fights themselves not the reason they are fighting, which us a whole other matter. Accelerator fights intirely different than Aqua, Aqua fights intirely different than Carissa, Carissa fight intrely different than Othinus, etc. The only one you can truly say fights the same way as someone else is Rensa and that's because she's supposed to be able to use any esper ability near a certain distance. Taysuya doesn't gain experince from his fights, at least no as much since all he has to do is ES and spam Mist Dispersal or whatever and he wins. |
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2014-03-19, 21:32 | Link #12083 | |
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Tatsuya "I'm the plot armor " Shiba is on his own level of plot armor. |
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2014-03-19, 21:37 | Link #12085 | |
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P.S. almost forgot the Number families which pretty much decide anythin and everything about magic, at least in japan. (From what I know) |
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2014-03-19, 21:46 | Link #12086 | |
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2014-03-19, 21:55 | Link #12088 | |
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2014-03-19, 21:55 | Link #12089 | |
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On that note how dare you criticise ships. /For the God Empress
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2014-03-19, 21:56 | Link #12090 | |
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As for Tatsuya having plot armor, I would have to disagree. Instead he's just OPed, the novels make it a point of establishing this from the start. However Touma, from what I've read so far, is just an ordinary guy with a very unique right hand. He should have lost most of his battles honestly. I'll use the first Accelerator battle for instance. Accelerator is a pretty smart character from what we have seen of him so far, except he decides to go full retard during his battle against Touma. Actually if you think about it, a majority of Touma's fights relies heavily on him breaking through to the other person by dialogue, then punching him/her, which for some reason always manages to end the fight. FYI, I DO enjoy reading the Index series. |
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2014-03-19, 22:01 | Link #12091 | |
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2014-03-19, 22:09 | Link #12092 | |
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1. There's still no denying that Touma beat Accelerator, with help yes but still beat him. 2. Vol. 14 is not a good point to judge Toumas character reach at the least NT.4 Baggage City and at the most NT.9 where Touma has one of the best deconstructions I have ever seen. After vol. 14 is where things start escalating indefinitely. 3. Touma fight his enemies by challenging their beliefs, way different than Talk no Jutsu, he fights you both physically and psychologically which is what makes his fights so amazing. 4. Well, in my opinion someone who can insta-heal is a ljving plot armor, watch as there is going to be an arc where it looks like he is going to die for some reason or another, his ability (which has been blocked be something) kicks in at the last moment because "I have to protect Miyuki". |
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2014-03-19, 22:28 | Link #12093 | |
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I have heard many people praise the latest NT release and since I still have a loooong way to go, I don't mind spoilers. Anyway, in my head, plot armor is defined as a character who is clearly weaker but consistently wins against much stronger foes because of a series of circumstances. But for Tatsuya, I feel like the author lays out most of his abilities early on so the audience doesn't feel like Tatsuya's just pulling these magical abilities out of nowhere. When he gets into a fight, we already know just how OPed he already is, we know that he's stronger than a majority of his foes. So we don't have to expect him to win by luck. Though Touma's fights are just as interesting too because he's the underdog. Last edited by TonyC1994; 2014-03-19 at 22:39. |
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2014-03-19, 22:29 | Link #12094 | ||
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Like I said, the easiest way to avoid plot armor is to create your character as powerfull as possible. There is no need to explain why your character survive. Different with Plot Armor which should explain that your character survives because situations, or blla blaa blaa. Quote:
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2014-03-20, 01:09 | Link #12095 | |
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I'm not sure if you truly understand what "plot armor" means...
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2014-03-20, 02:05 | Link #12096 | |
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First, their similarities. The two of them have: Insanely Powerful abilities Both of them are natural born fighters They both attract trouble They are both tactical genius They both have a harem of their own. Their differences: Touma is selfless while Tatsuya is apathetic. Touma is optimistic while Tatsuya is pragmatic, cynical and jaded. Touma would protect everyone around him while Tatsuya could careless as long as Miyuki is unharmed and unaffected Touma is impulsive while Tatsuya is calculating Touma would dive headfirst into trouble while Tatsuya would analyze the situation first before taking action. Touma's ability is limited and unknown while Tatsuya's ability gives him a bit of versatility and is absolute. Touma's fighting style is developed through countless battles while Tatsuya's fighting style is developed through vigorous training. Touma would aim to change the perspective of his opponent while Tatsuya would just eliminate them outright if given the chance. Touma is forgiving while Tatsuya is merciless. Touma cares about the reason why his enemies are targeting him while Tatsuya could careless about the intent of his enemies. Touma would put labels on his opponents while Tatsuya would merely label his opponents as enemies that must be eliminated. Imagination Breaker vs Decomposition Imagination Breaker can reject any supernatural event Decomposition can destroy any phenomenon as long as they have a form Imagination Breaker can affect only supernatural event and it even that has limitation Decomposition's scope is anything that has a form, phenomenon or not. Imagination Breaker is for 1-on-1 Decomposition can be use in wide area. Touma and Tatsuya both has merits and demerits but they are both awesome characters... |
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2014-03-20, 03:58 | Link #12097 |
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Probably my last Index-related post but I don't think Touma relies on plot armor as much as you people claim since the 1st fight against Accel and he is a very dangerous fighter now. His precog whatever and IB are the ultimate combination, Touma is the perfect anti magician and is now an extremely good brawler with experience to boot.
Let's agree that humans in index are tougher than normal first, Accel shouldn't have survived that bullet, Shiage and Mugino are pretty durable too. Touma is not a normal boy without IB, he is no more, his punches crater concrete. As long as you are a classic magician(those who rely solely on their magics and are muggles without it like Fiamma, Vento, Birdway) Touma has all the tools to beat you, the only way to beat him is via tricks. Even at this point Touma can't beat Acqua or Tsuchimikado ,to beat him you must best him without magic, that's all, it's not as if he was the strongest man on earth. There is no way for Touma to beat Tatsuya, the only possibility would beat to immobilize him with his right hand(impossible for him for obvious reasons) and kill him with another tool, if he doesn't kill him regrowth will restore him even if he is unconscious, Tatsuya would kill him with a karate chop . But I am sure Touma would beat Miyuki,Katsuto,Lina(with Brionac),Mayumi,Mikihiko,Masaki in a fight. Maybe Erika, Mari and Leo as well but guys like Lu Gonghu, Tomitsuka, Yakumo, Naotsugu would beat him easily. |
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In terma Tomitsuka are the kind of people Touma eats for breakfast....weak willed and easily influence...#!
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2014-03-20, 05:23 | Link #12099 | |
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Tomitsuka is Martial Arts expert. He learned Martial arts since he's very young because he can't use range magic. He land a hit on Tatsuya. Leo can do that ? No.... Mari can do that ? No..... |
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2014-03-20, 05:29 | Link #12100 | |
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Well Leo and Mari would be impossible to hit Tatsuya i guess bcuz speed isnt their specialty; but they still have upper hand like Leo mutant strength and enchance data fortification and Mari chemicals that hinder movements against Tomitsuka. Well physically no one can stand against Tatsuya except for one(that iknow of) that is limited to his age.
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