2012-06-27, 06:59 | Link #1321 | |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
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2012-06-27, 14:36 | Link #1322 | |
Garnet
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It depends. For some people it's personal, and for some others it's a lot more general (whether or not the ending fits with the atmosphere and developments of the story). Of course, there's the whole idealism vs. realism (it's long, but it's definitely worth a read!) debate, which I'd rather not get into. Away from the cliché? But didn't it do the exact opposite..? |
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2012-06-27, 16:09 | Link #1323 |
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I think there are duelling clichés at work here. There's the "ghost story" cliché of "after a ghost's worldly problems are resolved, they disappear and go to heaven/the afterlife". Then, there's the "anime story" cliché of "even if the story looks to be heading towards a conclusive ending, something will happen to restore things to the status quo". So you could say that this episode looked to be going towards the first cliché, but actually went for the second; perhaps part of the debate is about which cliché you prefer?
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2012-06-27, 16:39 | Link #1324 | |
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2012-06-27, 16:57 | Link #1325 |
Megane girl fan
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Back on topic, I, for one, think it's very interesting that the ending of this show has sparked a rather spirited debate over the merits of said ending. This tells me that the show was successful in making people care about the show one way or another. Well done! Endless "Victorikaaaa!" Soul
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2012-06-27, 17:05 | Link #1326 | |
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Part of it, of course, is the whole "manga/light novels are still ongoing" problem, where there's no fixed ending available and the writers just stop at a certain point instead of making up an end. Then, of course, there's the plain fact that if characters A and B hook up, then the fans of pairings AC, AD, AE, and the dark-horse yuri or yaoi BE will theoretically be disappointed and stop buying the merch, which is diametrically opposed to what production companies want. See K-ON! for a perfect example of that one in action. Lastly, there seems to be a distinct affection on the part of anime writers for not tying up loose ends. So even in a series which has a definitive "ending," there will still be bits and pieces left over. One would have to be a student of Japanese literature--which I'm not--to tell if that's a cultural trait or just a coincidence, but ambiguity always seems embedded in even things with reasonably definitive endings (Revolutionary Girl Utena, anyone? Or Future Diary, which actually made its ending more ambiguous than the manga for no apparent reason.). But yes, the trope Status Quo is God has its claws sunk deeply into anime. In this case, with regard to Dusk Maiden of Amnesia, while I cheer for the happy ending we got, I would have much preferred a bittersweet ending that settled things to an ambiguous ending that left stuff just hanging out there!
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2012-06-27, 18:46 | Link #1328 | |
Garnet
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Ah, yes. The good side to those types of endings is that the stories may receive a continuation in the form of another season or a series of OVAs. Oh, that's a good point about A & B hooking up; it's something that I never really considered. But then again, each genre has it's own type of fans, and certain fans tend to be less likely to stop supporting shows if, say, they don't see their two favourite characters get together. Of course, this could also have the opposite effect a la Mashiro-iro Symphony, where the viewers buy the V/N so that they can see their two favourite characters fall in love with each other. Mhm, I've noticed. It could by anything from the writers being inept at their jobs to there being a lack of funds to have one episode to tie up those loose ends, if possible. The last part of you post confuses me a bit. You say you liked the happy ending, and that you would've prefer a bittersweet ending over an ambiguous one; does that mean you thought the happy one we got was ambiguous? |
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2012-06-27, 19:26 | Link #1330 |
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Fortune Arterial is tricky like any other VN made into Anime simply because of the multiple routes. When a manga or LN are adapted to anime you only have one plot to follow and then at the end if the number of episodes is too short or the manga hasn't finished yet you can come up with an ending based on the plot so far.
When it comes to VNs you usually have two types: 1- The VN with multiple routes and a single True route; 2- The VN with multiple routes and no True route; Sure when dealing with Type 1 you can go by simply following the true route as if it were a manga/LN but then get ready for the enraged fans of the neglected girls. The true route's final girl is often NOT the most popular girl and the thing about VNs is that it a more personal and direct experience than reading a manga, meaning you have a bigger connection with a certain girl and seeing her get thrown into the background pisses off more people than you'd like. In this case, some studios decide to keep the ending somewhat vague, not really resolving anything completely aside from the big evil or antagonist or whatever. With Type 2 have multiple options. You can do it like Majikoi and make up your own plot altogether, follow the common route and then make up a new ending or follow one route as if it were the true route (usually picking the most popular). Fortune Arterial was a Type 1, meaning it had a True Route. |
2012-06-28, 00:21 | Link #1331 |
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Well, I don't want to get too far off-topic into analysing the endings of other shows, but briefly put the main issue I had with the Fortune Arterial anime ending was:
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Here, I would suppose that it's probably two things: 1) they didn't want the anime's ending to be too depressing (particularly since Teiichi is so young to suffer such a hard fate -- he might then die with regrets!) and 2) the manga isn't over and there's still a 13th bonus episode of this anime to come. (And who knows -- there could be more still, if the show ends up posting decent results.)
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2012-06-28, 02:31 | Link #1333 |
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Tasogare Otome x Amnesia. My Thoughts
To tell you all the truth I didn't cover this show back at the start of this about-to-end season. I recall back then that I made up my mind about which shows I chose to watch in the spring season.
It was probably at the end of April that I happened to come across with this series that got blogged at Divine's Randomc.net The screenshots for episodes three and four intrigued me alot due to the animation strongly reminding me of the animated works by SHAFT, and it wasn't until the fifth episode got blogged that it hooked me up to watch immediately this anime, starting from episode five to backwards into the start. To be honest, the moment I heard for the first time the OP theme song I was blown away quite metaphorically, because it was not only so beautiful but so powerfully good that I said to myself that Another should had featured an opening song like CHOIR JAIL Along the way, I learned that actually SILVER LINK was and is the studio responsible for delivering such haunting but beautifully epic animation, because the way how Yuuko got animated was not only pleasant to me but also mesmerizing. Her most prominent features that captivated me watching her on sight were how neatly they animated all of her face- her cheeks, the outline of her eye sockets, the bright of her eyes, her gaze, her mouth, her lips- and finally her long, windy hair. Too bad that since in the last episode Yuuko got all of her memories back along with her true personality, then we won't be seeing her again in her sensual mode seducing Teiichi so sexy like she did in the first five episodes. Regarding the episodes itself, I stand up dividing the storyline in two arcs: - One is the mellow arc (episodes 1 - 5) - The other the Shadow Yuuko arc (episodes 6 - 12) The first arc chronicles Yuukos' antics along with the rest of the Paranormal Research Club finding out about the history of school's Seven Mysteries to which all of them somehow revolve around Yuuko. As the name implies, the episodes played during that arc were very comical and light-hearted in tone, specially if you saw the fourth one about the pool scene. However, Shadow Yuuko roamed around those episodes to remind the audience that not everything was well and light within the plot. That brewing omen became the main focus of attention in the Shadow Yuuko arc when Teiichi started to become deeply involved with the mystery behind Yuuko's death and dissappearance of her memories. As most people know, this show can be said to be a supernatural romance delivering horror elements, but the horror featured is delivered either as to how other people aside from Keiichi imagine to see how Yuuko looks like a stereotypical portrayal of an undead spirit, or the horror comes from the very stupidity found in human nature which both episodes six and ten ghastly showed it to the audience, as prominent examples. In life Yuuko was a prime example of a selfless human willing to help others, and I sobbed watching the circumstances leading to her death. That's because what they did to her was unfair, uncalled for, and stupid. I mean I cannot even imagine how would person feel if he or she is thrown into a deep well, a deep basement, or a deep cavern with no possible way to escape. Add that the victim found under that despairing and desolate place gets injured and can only wait days after days alone in the dark waiting for death either through starvation or lack of oxygen. Yuuko as a human lost it like anyone else in her position would have acted, but she was able to restrain herself at the last minute before dying from hating and cursing Asa, because she didn't wish to blame Asa as the cause of her doomed fate. Believe that I cried profound watching the events that led to her death, and I cried in joy during the eleventh episode when Teichii confessed to the Shadow Yuuko that he loved both of them triggering the miracle that enable both Yuukos to merge into one at last, and thus clearing her regrets at that time. As for the finale, I won't join the discussion, since I see that there are lots and lots of people more knowledgeable than me about the subject, and it's more fun for me to sit and read all of your posts. But, what I can say about the ending was that I cried along with Teiichi when Yuuko came back. To conclude Tasogare Otome x Amnesia was a show that I originally didn't intend to watch, but I was won over after reading about it from a blog. First, it won me over with its animation style centered around Yuuko, and it immediately won the rest of me with its constructed plot, and 3D-believable characters. After Yuuko, Kyrie's definitely my second favorite character from the main cast, and I didn't have to wait to learn that she was a relation to Yuuko due to noticing that both sport some physical semblances, specially if I looked at their faces holding similar features; from the mellow arc, the fifth episode is my favorite centering mostly on Kyrie. So, basically this was the second show of the spring 2012 season that I concluded, and I will definitely rewatch it for the Halloween season. |
2012-06-28, 05:29 | Link #1334 | |
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I don't know if you can say that there is a "ghost story" clichè since there are so few shows of this kind. Off the top of my head I can only name AnoHana, which indeed ended with a disappearance. There are ghost characters in other shows like Ghost Sweeper Mikami, Negima, ToLoveRu, Bakemonogatari but they are mostly seconday characters.
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2012-06-28, 05:36 | Link #1335 | |
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2012-06-28, 09:47 | Link #1336 |
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The disappearance scene was so touching, such a great song in the background and then that Goodbye Yuko on the notebook. Simply perfect. A truly memorial moment for the anime history, and then crushed with that ridiculous, coward last move.
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2012-06-28, 19:10 | Link #1339 |
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It's being released with the Limited Edition Japanese Blu-Rays and DVDs on four volumes starting with disc 3 (starting in August, and each month subsequent). Some of the insert songs (including the insert song in the last episode) will be released on the vol. 2 BD/DVD in July.
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2012-06-28, 19:35 | Link #1340 | |
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Of course in Kana we also get beer drinking and full-on ero, so there is that...
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