2013-02-06, 13:37 | Link #1281 |
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You're probably just taking this show way too seriously.
Personally I think that they're called "demons" out of human ignorance just because they can look drastically different from your normal human. But when you look at the "Demon King" and the Head Maid and realize they appear to be human, and even behave pretty much like them, it's just hard to take it seriously. Would I have prefered D&D like demons? Hell yeah, but considering this show has been one disappointment after the other in term of expectations, I just roll with the punches and hope to see what they have in store. |
2013-02-06, 13:40 | Link #1282 | |
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2013-02-06, 13:52 | Link #1283 | |
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Doesn't help that, besides all the reasons you listed above, our two main characters aren't very awe inspiring (albeit for different reasons). This show started pretty high on my expectations/to watch list for this season, but right now is barely worth mentioning. It's not bad enough to drop, but has enough issues to keep it from shining. |
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2013-02-06, 14:59 | Link #1284 | |
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Was Tamriel not enriched by the myriad of races but act very much human-like? Star Wars? Mass Effect? Warcraft? etc etc. These settings are usually used to poke at "xenophobic" or "racist" nature of humans which exists in everyone no matter how small.
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I'm reminded of Douglas Adams describing Jesus' message: "wouldn't it be nice if everyone was nice?". It does make one wonder why he got nailed to a piece of wood. Quote:
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2013-02-06, 16:00 | Link #1286 | |
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Maybe I'm terrible at communicating what I'm trying to say here. So going to quote someone else.
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2013-02-06, 16:11 | Link #1287 | |
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Fictional groups like aliens, orcs, demons, etc are a convenient shorthand to show the deep-seated but superficial prejudices of Medieval society to modern viewers who have largely lost touch with the concept between humans. The story loses the impact of its social commentary if it chooses to use D&D style fiends. It gains nothing to use real life terms, but it loses the fantasy setting--and with it any chance of believing the Demon Queen's modernization attempts.
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2013-02-06, 16:34 | Link #1288 |
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I've never seen someone fail so hard to understand the basic premise behind a show.
I'll state a few facts on the setting. This is anime-only knowledge from EP1: - It's fantasy genre. Like Dragon Quest. - The concept introduced is that it was the humans defined all demons to be evil. Not the absence of evilness. - There is good and evil in this series. Good demons, evil demons; Good humans, evil humans. - There too much opposition: most of the humans and most of the demons. - There are two major races with its own social stratification and different political factions that we'll hear more of as the episodes move on. Demons and Humans are not homogeneous groups. - It's not as much social commentary as it is anti-war commentary. - Demon Queen wants to create a 3rd future. Where there's no winner of no war. She wants to see where that 3rd road goes with hero.
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2013-02-06, 16:38 | Link #1289 | |
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I'll also point out that there are translation problems when you complain that Maoyuu's demons have a role more akin to orcs instead of, well, Western demons. By that I mean that (correct me if I'm wrong), the Japanese "mazoku" is several species of magical people who have their own agendas, without necessarily being evil. One of those agendas may be "turn the closest human into a snack", but it doesn't have to be. It's true that in this case and many others, they borrowed heavily from Western imagery. But that's just for looks. When it comes to the evilness of the demons, it's deconstructed by the Queen in the first ep: "Who decided that the demons were evil?". The Catholic Church, that's who, in the case of our world when it came to other people's mythological creatures. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2013-02-06 at 16:54. |
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2013-02-06, 17:03 | Link #1291 | |
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And the reason the war can't end doesn't really have anything to do with what their races are. The races of those involved doesn't make nor break the premise of the reason the war can't end. Racial differences might have been what triggered the war, but it's no longer the reason it's still continuing to this day. It's about the boom in economy the war has brought to several groups and these groups are the ones trying to maintain the status quo.
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2013-02-06, 17:20 | Link #1292 |
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If demons are no different from humans in that they just want to survive and flourish the same as any human being.... that man had arbitrarily decreed demons to be evil, then again why use the term demon? The connotation of the word "demon" carries too much baggage and expecting the audience to randomly accept a different meaning to it without adequately addressing the reasons why this difference exists is just plain silly.
If this was just an attempt to tell an allegorical tale of racism, why use such a metaphor? Just drop the metaphor and use differing races instead. If it's supposed to be a tale of coexistence between man and creatures that are like man but are inhuman, then make the creatures actually look inhuman! The Demon Queen is indistinguishable from a human! If it's just a tale of medieval economics and the effects of war on an economy, it's better to just keep all the parties human. It's simpler and easier to understand. Interjecting something so completely different from humans as "demons" makes the economic tale here convoluted and difficult to accept at all. The reason why the war can't end is just stupid. LOOK, maybe the source material addresses some of these things better than the anime, but the anime has completely and utterly failed to do this.
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2013-02-06, 17:40 | Link #1293 | |
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I am an anime-only viewer and all I know about this title comes from the anime.
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2013-02-06, 17:59 | Link #1296 | |
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Humans magic research? It would be an interesting element to see. What kind of dynamic would mass usage of magic have with Maou's knowledge? A magic-fueled machines, like refrigerators. What about the effect of magic on communications? What if magic can be traded?. But I doubt the show is going to go that way. So far, we only have seen Hero's group to wield magic.
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2013-02-06, 18:21 | Link #1299 | ||
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1. Certain special interest groups like the benefits they derive from war. E.g. the Merchants Alliance gain profits from trade; the Church becomes an influential leader; supplies flow to contested territories that have low food production; etc. 2. The economy of the human society is structured to accommodate the ongoing war, to the point that there would be great social unrest of the war were to suddenly end. 3. The two sides are indoctrinated to despise each other. None of these reasons require that the sides be actually different, but they represent very real obstacles to peace. Quote:
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2013-02-06, 19:15 | Link #1300 |
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It is unlikely as Hero one of the most powerful magic users in the human relms still fears Maou will outlive him. Magic also seems to be pretty rare in the human world as well,( no mages in the 6000 tropes, merchents don't seem to employe any mages, It almost seems like almost all the human casters were in Hero's party) Given that the Mage Girl (Onna Mahou Tsukai) is more correctly traslated as Woman Witch the fate of most human magic users might not be too good or very long.
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