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**Klashikari** · 2013-08-15, 12:46

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Requiem-x · 2013-08-15, 22:00

Some really nice moments this episode.

Spoiler for Spoilers:

s2012k1993 · 2013-08-16, 01:22

Unwound Jun builds the new doll, so he can change his static branch world into the main "tree" world. Obviously, his text messages have been preaching this for the last two episodes, but how is the unwound Jun convinced, though he realized that the messages might not be coming from the wound Jun (Otherwise, why would he keep the new doll parts a secret from Shinku?).

Well, for starters, the whole "out of my league" self-preaching is due to a lack of confidence. Instead of gaining confidence from his relationship with Saitou and Shinku, his boss' speech makes the unwound Jun attribute his lack of confidence to his particular unlucky fate. Second, all of this "temporary" servant spiel from Shinku only confirms the text messages' validity. The last nail in the coffin might just be the conversation between Shinku and the unwound Jun, while they read that book. Shinku believes that her sitting on Jun's lap is something that can never be taken away from him. On the other hand, Jun believes memories fade away and something concrete is needed to remember them, specifically, his own doll. Thus, the unwound Jun starts to build the new doll.

The plot seems to be picking up the pace, because the unwound Jun's character arc has changed sufficiently to put it in conflict with Shinku.

Guardian Enzo · 2013-08-16, 07:29

It's not surprising that Zuruckspulen isn't getting more discussion, but it still saddens me - this is one beautiful work of art.

aeriolewinters · 2013-08-16, 07:47

people were really turned off by the first episode, it seems. It's just sad... then there's a certain confusion amongst the fanbase (the non-reading one) that this isn't faithful to the tone the original series made. which is such a shame, since this is the genuine adaptation, not the NOMAD anime.

j4c06 · 2013-08-16, 10:16

Weird, this is the only series this season that I didn't think of dropping yet.

No, wait, I'm also watching Blood Lad. But that's on another plane of existence, LOL

Ashlotte · 2013-08-16, 10:19

The fact that it's too "genuine" might be the problem...Can hardly blame people for not being interested in discussing a show where barely anything ever happens episode after episode.

The fact that they're still placing emphasis on the "mystery" of the new doll Jun is building even though it's been painfully obvious since the first vol. showed up he's making Kira doesn't help matters any.

aeriolewinters · 2013-08-16, 10:37

Quote:

The fact that they're still placing emphasis on the "mystery" of the new doll Jun is building even though it's been painfully obvious since the first vol. showed up he's making Kira doesn't help matters any.

Remember this quote. You'll have to send me money if you're wrong.

Kanon · 2013-08-16, 11:13

This series is clearly not for everybody so I'm not surprised so many people have dropped it. Add to that the fact it's extremely different from the original anime series, and you've got an unpopular show. This is definitely the most underrated anime of the season. The atmosphere Zurückspulen is unmatched this season. The artistic direction is also excellent.

The story is progressing slowly but smoothly. I'm liking this Jun and his development a lot. I can relate to his sensation of feeling out of place.

Apache Thunder · 2013-08-16, 12:48

I liked this episode and the series thus far. I bet many dropped the show for a lack of the almighty Desu queen. But meh. I like Suiseiseki, but really not the only reason I watch the show. I started watching the older series for Suiseiseki but stayed for the rest and this season's even better since it's sticking to the source material better. I've never read the manga, but generally I like animes that stick to their source material in general.

With the rare exception on any show where the source material is worse then the anime. But that's few and far between. :P

Don't lynch me for saying this, but I enjoyed the series as a whole because it sorta felt like the Japanese version of Toy Story, but with dolls and magic superpowers.

FlareKnight · 2013-08-16, 18:13

I think the episode continued to build things well. Slowly, but effectively. Was kind of funny that despite older Jun's mental state he was able to calmly negotiate with Suigintou. Maybe because the most he's seen of these battles is his room being turned into a mess he can't take them as seriously.

Sadly doesn't seem much can stop Jun from making that doll now. Neither Saito or Shinku seem able to legitimately reach him enough to make him stop himself. At least Shinku is following up on what happened before. Unfortunately this kind of message might be too late. No matter what happens the time she's spent there won't vanish.

Sadly seems like the only thing they can do is watch the chaos unfold.

Ichuki · 2013-08-17, 00:54

To be honest I find this version better than the Nomad one. It is kind of sad that it is very underrated.

StainGlass · 2013-08-17, 03:43

Personally, I have never been keen on the source material for Tales to begin with. I was under the impression many people lost interest in the franchise at the point where the first manga ended abruptly. Suddenly the audience was then thrown into an alternate universe with an older Jun and few of the doll characters as they slowly, very slowly, crept back into the story.

I wasn't expecting to enjoy this as much as I did the previous series. I am however a little disappointed at the slow pace, music, and perhaps, adapting the manga too closely, as I said before, I wasn't too keen on it to begin with.

I can understand why others may have lost interest in it as well. Firstly, it's hard to get into if you never read the first manga, not a good starting point for newcomers.

Also as previously mentioned, very little happens, and thirdly, for those who at least watched the first two series, this must be a very different experience in comparison.

Many of the people watching this seem to care more about Jun's relationship with Saito to be honest. It's not a romance anime, it's Rozen Maiden...

Found this episode to be average again. Good to see young Jun appear. I can never seem to think of older Jun as being the same person, dying his hair and getting contacts was a bit too much perhaps.

Triple_R · 2013-08-17, 10:17

I'm still following the show, and I do find its narrative somewhat interesting. It's a good weekly watch.

However, the original Rozen Maiden was known for its color, its hijinks, its hammy drama, and its flashy doll vs. doll combat. That's dramatically different than what we have with this show. This show is much more meticulous, subtle, and subdued.

Both Rozen Maidens are good shows, but one is like a flashy magical girl action show, while the other is like Hyouka. They're two wildly different shows, so it's no surprise that some would like one without liking the other.

frodonk · 2013-08-17, 15:32

my love for suigintou is what makes me watch week after week

Dark Faith · 2013-08-17, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple_R

However, the original Rozen Maiden was known for its color, its hijinks, its hammy drama, and its flashy doll vs. doll combat. That's dramatically different than what we have with this show. This show is much more meticulous, subtle, and subdued.

Pretty much this (IMHO, of course).
It's Rozen Maiden...but at the same time, it isn't. I still consider it to be a pretty good story (even if frustratingly slow paced at times), but it's not at all what I expected from another season of Rozen Maiden.

I can understand why so many people jumped ship after the first couple episodes.

Calca · 2013-08-17, 21:28

For pretty much any anime adaptation, I want things as close to the source material as possible. Thus I think this is the best season of Rozen Maiden yet. I do agree that the fact that a new foundation has to be built which turned people off but this is the Rozen Maiden manga.

Also, after this arc, the series does kind of "return to its roots" so if there is another season after this, it should be a bit more appealing to those who don't like this season. The pace also isn't as slow. The pace right now is the slowest in the entire manga series and that's because certain plot points need to be set up.

kache · 2013-08-18, 11:31

Meh, this series is boring. Good that it's not a 24 episodes one.

GDiddy · 2013-08-18, 11:36

As a Desu fan, as much as I've missed her, I've actually become a fan of Sugintou instead.

HosannaExcelsis · 2013-08-18, 13:07

The worst aspect of this season of Rozen Maiden is that it's Rozen Maiden. Needs less dolls and convoluted plot and more well-done character drama. Shinichi Omata deserves better material, but so far he's been making the most out of what he's got. I'm glad he at least got to adapt the second manga, with college Jun being a much more interesting protagonist than middle-school Jun and the most annoying moe archetypes sidelined.

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2013-08-15, 22:00	Link #2
Requiem-x The slacking one Join Date: Apr 2012	Some really nice moments this episode. Spoiler for Spoilers: That darn book finally comes into play and gives us a great moment between Jun and Shinku. No complaints here. And we actually got to see Micchan! Kind of Nevertheless, I'm glad they at least included her, even if only a bit. And is it me or does Kanaria sound more child-like now? Anyway, best part of the episode by far was (big) Jun handling Suigintou so well, not even a moment of hestitation and quickly turned things against her, while still showing he isn't just being mean. Can't wait for the next episode, which another one of my favorite moments, though this one is much more subtle than the others.

2013-08-16, 07:47	Link #5
aeriolewinters Photomancy Experiments Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Balanga City, Bataan, Philippines	people were really turned off by the first episode, it seems. It's just sad... then there's a certain confusion amongst the fanbase (the non-reading one) that this isn't faithful to the tone the original series made. which is such a shame, since this is the genuine adaptation, not the NOMAD anime. __________________

2013-08-16, 10:19	Link #7
Ashlotte Clockwork Join Date: Oct 2006	The fact that it's too "genuine" might be the problem...Can hardly blame people for not being interested in discussing a show where barely anything ever happens episode after episode. The fact that they're still placing emphasis on the "mystery" of the new doll Jun is building even though it's been painfully obvious since the first vol. showed up he's making Kira doesn't help matters any. __________________ No matter what enemy. No matter what ally. Mowing everything down with maximum destructive power. That is... "The White Devil of the Administration Bureau"

2013-08-16, 11:13	Link #9
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	This series is clearly not for everybody so I'm not surprised so many people have dropped it. Add to that the fact it's extremely different from the original anime series, and you've got an unpopular show. This is definitely the most underrated anime of the season. The atmosphere Zurückspulen is unmatched this season. The artistic direction is also excellent. The story is progressing slowly but smoothly. I'm liking this Jun and his development a lot. I can relate to his sensation of feeling out of place. __________________

2013-08-16, 01:22	Link #3
s2012k1993 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Unwound Jun builds the new doll, so he can change his static branch world into the main "tree" world. Obviously, his text messages have been preaching this for the last two episodes, but how is the unwound Jun convinced, though he realized that the messages might not be coming from the wound Jun (Otherwise, why would he keep the new doll parts a secret from Shinku?). Well, for starters, the whole "out of my league" self-preaching is due to a lack of confidence. Instead of gaining confidence from his relationship with Saitou and Shinku, his boss' speech makes the unwound Jun attribute his lack of confidence to his particular unlucky fate. Second, all of this "temporary" servant spiel from Shinku only confirms the text messages' validity. The last nail in the coffin might just be the conversation between Shinku and the unwound Jun, while they read that book. Shinku believes that her sitting on Jun's lap is something that can never be taken away from him. On the other hand, Jun believes memories fade away and something concrete is needed to remember them, specifically, his own doll. Thus, the unwound Jun starts to build the new doll. The plot seems to be picking up the pace, because the unwound Jun's character arc has changed sufficiently to put it in conflict with Shinku.

2013-08-16, 10:16	Link #6
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Weird, this is the only series this season that I didn't think of dropping yet. No, wait, I'm also watching Blood Lad. But that's on another plane of existence, LOL

2013-08-16, 12:48	Link #10
Apache Thunder Interdimensional Spy Join Date: May 2008 Location: Levelland, Texas USA	I liked this episode and the series thus far. I bet many dropped the show for a lack of the almighty Desu queen. But meh. I like Suiseiseki, but really not the only reason I watch the show. I started watching the older series for Suiseiseki but stayed for the rest and this season's even better since it's sticking to the source material better. I've never read the manga, but generally I like animes that stick to their source material in general. With the rare exception on any show where the source material is worse then the anime. But that's few and far between. :P Don't lynch me for saying this, but I enjoyed the series as a whole because it sorta felt like the Japanese version of Toy Story, but with dolls and magic superpowers. __________________ I have cameras in your head!

2013-08-16, 18:13	Link #11
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	I think the episode continued to build things well. Slowly, but effectively. Was kind of funny that despite older Jun's mental state he was able to calmly negotiate with Suigintou. Maybe because the most he's seen of these battles is his room being turned into a mess he can't take them as seriously. Sadly doesn't seem much can stop Jun from making that doll now. Neither Saito or Shinku seem able to legitimately reach him enough to make him stop himself. At least Shinku is following up on what happened before. Unfortunately this kind of message might be too late. No matter what happens the time she's spent there won't vanish. Sadly seems like the only thing they can do is watch the chaos unfold. __________________ Anime-Evo

2013-08-17, 00:54	Link #12
Ichuki ┌(^o^)┘モリ!┌(^o^)┘モリ! Join Date: Sep 2010	To be honest I find this version better than the Nomad one. It is kind of sad that it is very underrated.

2013-08-17, 03:43	Link #13
StainGlass Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 37	Personally, I have never been keen on the source material for Tales to begin with. I was under the impression many people lost interest in the franchise at the point where the first manga ended abruptly. Suddenly the audience was then thrown into an alternate universe with an older Jun and few of the doll characters as they slowly, very slowly, crept back into the story. I wasn't expecting to enjoy this as much as I did the previous series. I am however a little disappointed at the slow pace, music, and perhaps, adapting the manga too closely, as I said before, I wasn't too keen on it to begin with. I can understand why others may have lost interest in it as well. Firstly, it's hard to get into if you never read the first manga, not a good starting point for newcomers. Also as previously mentioned, very little happens, and thirdly, for those who at least watched the first two series, this must be a very different experience in comparison. Many of the people watching this seem to care more about Jun's relationship with Saito to be honest. It's not a romance anime, it's Rozen Maiden... Found this episode to be average again. Good to see young Jun appear. I can never seem to think of older Jun as being the same person, dying his hair and getting contacts was a bit too much perhaps.

2013-08-17, 10:17	Link #14
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I'm still following the show, and I do find its narrative somewhat interesting. It's a good weekly watch. However, the original Rozen Maiden was known for its color, its hijinks, its hammy drama, and its flashy doll vs. doll combat. That's dramatically different than what we have with this show. This show is much more meticulous, subtle, and subdued. Both Rozen Maidens are good shows, but one is like a flashy magical girl action show, while the other is like Hyouka. They're two wildly different shows, so it's no surprise that some would like one without liking the other. __________________

2013-08-17, 15:32	Link #15
frodonk Master of Killing Time Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Makinohara Service Area	my love for suigintou is what makes me watch week after week __________________ Just my MAL profile, I'm putting this here for no particular reason.

2013-08-17, 21:28	Link #17
Calca Expressionless Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Walking on the path known as life	For pretty much any anime adaptation, I want things as close to the source material as possible. Thus I think this is the best season of Rozen Maiden yet. I do agree that the fact that a new foundation has to be built which turned people off but this is the Rozen Maiden manga. Also, after this arc, the series does kind of "return to its roots" so if there is another season after this, it should be a bit more appealing to those who don't like this season. The pace also isn't as slow. The pace right now is the slowest in the entire manga series and that's because certain plot points need to be set up.

2013-08-18, 11:36	Link #19
GDiddy Sisterhood of the Desu Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: in a van by the river	As a Desu fan, as much as I've missed her, I've actually become a fan of Sugintou instead. __________________

2013-08-18, 13:07	Link #20
HosannaExcelsis Member Join Date: Aug 2010	The worst aspect of this season of Rozen Maiden is that it's Rozen Maiden. Needs less dolls and convoluted plot and more well-done character drama. Shinichi Omata deserves better material, but so far he's been making the most out of what he's got. I'm glad he at least got to adapt the second manga, with college Jun being a much more interesting protagonist than middle-school Jun and the most annoying moe archetypes sidelined.