2008-07-13, 23:16 | Link #1 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Fansub group designed for fansubbers
If the admins find this thread conflicting with forum rules I have no issues with them removing it. Also if users here feel this thread is about ego, while they are welcome to their opinion and are welcome to post it here, they are none the less mistaken.
FreelanceFansubs, was originally a group that started in 2003 with the purpose of "loaning" staff to groups in need of staff to keep them going till they filled these spots themselves. I closed down the group in 2004 due to misuse of the kind act the group was preforming. I have reopened the group with a new goal. To show publicly the fansub process to whoever wishes to see. This group is made up of fansubbers from many different walks of life, but all considerably experienced none the less. I am not saying our method is the only one used in the process of subtitling, but in general it is the foundation of fansubbing. We will have all of our scripts (fully typeset versions) available for download. Our topic is the same as you would see in most project channels for groups that are normally hidden in secret channels. We openly discuss project status with each other as well as assignment of tasks. We have no staff channel. What you see is what we are. This is done in hopes that other hoping to get into fansubs can get a real idea of how it works. They can first hand see how groups operate internally. Don't expect speed sub situations from us. We all have other groups we work for, and are not into speed subbing anyways. This is not to say anything bad or good about speed subbing. We are not interested in the politics of fansubbing AT ALL. That said, please do not bring those politics into our channel. We are also open to comments and suggestions on our process of subbing. If anyone has ideas as to ways we can better present the information or process we are all ears. This is an experiment if anything. It is done with hopes of good will and strengthened relations throughout the community. If you are not a fansubber or only wish to bash, flame, argue, troll, etc... please do not join our channel. Do it here if you must. Please do not disturb those who actually see this as a productive helpful service. Thank you, getfresh FreelanceFansubs can be found at #FLF@irc.rizon.net |
2008-07-14, 03:03 | Link #3 |
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Fansubber
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
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No. We have the full encoded versions up as well. Just offering the scripts as well for people to look at if they wish to see what type of code was used for typesetting, what fonts were used, how the scripts were formatted, etc... Of course we will have softsub stuff as well, but you cannot softsub extremely code heavy .ass stuff. That is what the scripts are for.
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2008-07-14, 06:09 | Link #8 |
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Fansubber
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
Age: 43
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I think it has more to do with their filtering techniques and ordering. I don't know myself as I'm not an encoder. But yes I agree it is a good idea, I just cannot make promises into the dept since the avs's are not created by me.
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2008-07-14, 06:33 | Link #9 |
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Posting video encoding scripts is like posting your code for the first time to some elite open source community. It can turn out to be a brutal experience.
If people provided comparative screenshots or short clips from raws and final videos, posting avs scripts, notes, and their encoding processes would have more meaning. I'd certainly be intrigued to explore the world of filtering, but with the ammount of information out there it's just discouraging. |
2008-07-14, 07:16 | Link #11 |
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Fansubber
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
Age: 43
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One thing I think that is kind of misunderstood is that we are not going to "train" people. We are allowing anyone to come view the process first hand as we will discuss the projects and do our staff communications in the public channel. And we will offer scripts for references and so on. But we are not going to "hold classes". We will answer questions that are asked in a polite manor when we have time. But in the end we are still a fansub group. What we are doing is more like a program author giving out his source code to the public.
As the threads title suggests. This is a service provided for fansubbers, so we expect people to be resourceful and willing to research the answers to their questions a bit before asking them. I myself, as well as anyone else in the group will not appreciate people joining and asking questions without even attempting to figure it out on their own. I find that type of situation slightly insulting. As for the question on AVS's, I will ask the encoders today and see what they think. It may be that some have no issues with it while others do not wish to share them. Whatever the case I hope you will all understand and respect their decision(s). Thanks getfresh |
2008-07-14, 07:31 | Link #12 | |
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oh, i guess i really misunderstood you on that part, sorry.
assumed that by saying you want to show people how fansub works, releasing the scripts and all that, that you will explain the technical portion of the precess as well. well still sounds good.. oh one more thing i thought of when i read Quote:
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2008-07-14, 07:37 | Link #13 |
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Fansubber
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
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No, not as far as open source. We would rather people not use our work for their groups. The purpose of giving out all this material is for other groups to reference it for doing their own work, on DIFFERENT projects. There is no need for a group to re-sub and release what we have already done. And if they are going to do a different language sub we would appreciate they create their own scripts from scratch. Using our work would mean they are not truly subbing the series themselves, which kind of defeats the point in them even being a fansub group.
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2008-07-14, 07:39 | Link #14 |
Translator, Producer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Age: 44
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The problem with releasing avs' is that in general they wouldn't teach anyone much.
Being an effective encoder is about crafting a filter chain that works for a given raw and a given show: there's no one-size-fits-all solution to a really good encode. Also, you aren't going to learn how to encode by analyzing avisynth files, e.g. if you take the output from yatta after fixing combing problems, you learn nothing about the skills needed to actually identify and fix the problems. When it comes to the philosophy of the group and openness, obviously all materials should be available, but I just don't think it's really possible to learn much about encoding by looking at script files.
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2008-07-14, 08:44 | Link #15 |
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There's always something you can pick up on, especially if the script is well commented. It takes practice and you must play around with those things yourself to really learn, but I think it's a mistake to dismiss it as useless.
It wouldn't take much effort to release those scripts anyway. |
2008-07-14, 11:20 | Link #17 | |
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Although quite usually a filterchain is made up of different sections, each to fix some given problem in the source, which may be useful, but not as a whole as you mentioned. <--- Of the stance that encoding can't be taught as a whole simply because there are too many ways to achieve one task and you'd be just enforcing your way onto others.
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2008-07-14, 13:25 | Link #19 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Since the avs issue is far too loaded of an issue from what I am seeing, I am going to have to say our group will not offer those. I can see it creating more issues than it will solve. this may be a cop out but I'd rather not turn this whole subject into a debate on an avs/encoding thread as it is one of the most minimal parts of the process in the end. Not saying encoding is this or that. Just stating it is not the main focus of this group to teach people how to encode.
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2008-07-14, 14:00 | Link #20 | |
Translator, Producer
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