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Even if someone said 'mikami is reiko' outright, that's not exactly a spoiler. Anyone with brains would question it and try and find out for themselves if they're right ( By observing and rewatching eps ).
I think I remember the thread you're talking about. Sure, after reading it I went back and put the clues together to see if it was right. Turns out the hints were there. It's not as if it was some big secret as I explained in the first page of this thread. Also, just because it was a spoiler to you ( Because you believed it the moment you read it? ), doesn't mean it was a spoiler to others. You must think highly of yourself to assume that anyone that read that thread was automatically spoiled, and any theories/clues they find is invalid. My theory wasn't altered in any way by reading 'mikami is reiko' because I didn't have a theory prior to that knowledge. Simply reading it made me look back and rewatch eps and formulate a theory out of pure skepticism. It's like telling Mary Jane that peter parker is spiderman. Do you think she's going to believe it right away? Or is she going to investigate it for herself and put the pieces together? She always had a feeling that peter was spiderman but didn't get confirmation until later on. Same thing with Mikami/Reiko. |
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2012-03-26, 14:04 | Link #63 | |
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I didn't have a theory prior to that knowledge so how was it I was influenced by it which altered the theory I never had? I was just like everyone else; it completely never crossed my mind of the possibility of Mikami being Reiko. I was skeptical when I first read it so I went back and investigated it which I posted in the first page of this thread. It's as if you can't accept the fact that there are people that actually investigate claims out of pure skepticism, and not because YOU know it's true. Just because YOU knew it was true doesn't invalidate my efforts in trying to put the clues together to see if it was legit. Just because I read the same thread as you, doesn't automatically mean I felt the same as you and automatically accepted it as fact. The only knowledge I had was the claim that 'Mikami is Reiko', and the manga. The latter was behind the anime until the end of ep 11. The former I investigated on my own and put together the clues in the first page of this thread. Just because someone says 'Mikami is reiko' outright, doesn't mean it's a spoiler. It's as if you believe everything you read ( Which, sadly, most people in America do as evident by the current GOP candidates and media ) |
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You just made my point better than I could:
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Don't suggest that I "believe everything I read." It was exceedingly clear to rational people like you and I that that was a spoiler. Your skepticism -- which was understandable -- was a response to something that was presented as a spoiler and should have logically been accepted as a spoiler. That spoiler became lodged in your mind whether you wanted it to or not, and your investigation of Reiko and Mikami-sensei stems from that spoiler. (Incidentally, on top of all of that (I can't logically use this to prove my point, but it's worth mentioning) it was already clear by episode 7 that something was wrong with Reiko. At that point we had already heard the mynah's cries, Kouichi's grandfather being tired of funerals and saying "poor Reiko," the revelation that Kouichi was probably in Yomiyama in 1996 during the phone call with his dad, and several other small cues. Reading that Reiko and Mikami-sensei were the same person should have been a major red flag.) |
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2012-03-29, 17:31 | Link #74 | |
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Another problem there was that you first had to expose Reiko as being Ms Mikami, because aunts and uncles are excluded from the phenomenon's effects.(maybe they are still in in terms of collateral damage) After that you would know that she could be affected too, and include her in the range of suspects if you got the hint that the phenomenon's vicinity is not restricted by the city boarders but a certain radius around them.
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2012-03-31, 09:08 | Link #75 | |
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Apparently, the Japanese readers got a clue from the class list that briefly flashed on screen. And the beach scene narrowed it down too.
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2012-03-31, 09:22 | Link #76 | |
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There was a hint that it only works in a vertical line. kouichi himself was completely protected from the calamaity in the first place btw. While this might be just a theory of mine I can actually sustain it with evidence as there were several chances where he could have died. My theory is thqat Reiko's motherly feelings towards him worked as a protection layer.
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2012-04-01, 00:39 | Link #77 |
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You know, there's one thing that really bugs me about how the whole Reiko = Mikami thing played out. In episode 11, Reiko - as teacher Mikami - takes a mop to the head, falls to the floor, and starts bleeding profusely. Kouichi didn't seem too bothered by that. Even when he later returns to the burning inn, he's looking for Mei, and doesn't seem to even consider Reiko's fate. While all of that contributes to the viewer's perception that there's nothing significant about Ms. Mikami, episode 12 reveals that Kouichi knew that Reiko was Ms. Mikami all along.
Given that, shouldn't he have been much more distraught and worried when she was attacked? I would imagine that he would even be distraught enough to drop the the fourth rule, and just call out to her by the name that he uses most often. The only possible qualifier that I can think of is that the anime series altered how close they were. Everyone is remarking that Reiko and Kouichi were shown to be extremely close in the manga (and maybe the novel?), whereas it seems like they simply get along in the anime. Even so, she was a family member - you would think that he would have still cared in some way, and that Mei wouldn't have been his #1 priority at all times in light of that.
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But it's true that he should've been more concerned about his unconscious aunt inside a burning building. I think the anime screwed things up by having Reiko get mopped in the head. |
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2012-04-01, 11:08 | Link #79 | |
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And so on. Before I knew that Reiko was Mikami-sensei, I was debating whether or not Reiko could have been the Another as Kouichi's aunt -- had Chibiki just left aunts and uncles out of his explanation of the degrees of separation rule, or was the rule inconsistent? |
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2012-04-01, 11:24 | Link #80 | |
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I'm pretty sure that the Another has to be in the class though, either as student or teacher. You could even fit Sanae in if you make her homeroom teacher and School nurse. Would be pretty obvious though.
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