Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[Diveman]

I just wanna say, even though I enjoyed 1st season, I learned about

Spoiler:

what happens between Kuroneko and Kyousuke in the light novels, and how she breaks up with him because he choses her sister over her

I REFUSE to watch the 2nd season of the anime because of that, Kyousuke is an asshole.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Diveman

I just wanna say, even though I enjoyed 1st season, I learned about

Spoiler:

what happens between Kuroneko and Kyousuke in the light novels, and how she breaks up with him because he choses her sister over her

I REFUSE to watch the 2nd season of the anime because of that, Kyousuke is an asshole.

You ... haven't been attending the meetings And that really isn't how it went, that's not why she put a PAUSE on the relationship - Kuroneko feels like Kyou and Kirino need to resolve their relationship crisis before "anything else" can proceed (be it Kyou and Kuroneko or whoever).

The story isn't over. There's a whole book yet to go. Oh, and this is the manga/lightnovel thread, not the anime thread.

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by Diveman

I just wanna say, even though I enjoyed 1st season, I learned about

Spoiler:

what happens between Kuroneko and Kyousuke in the light novels, and how she breaks up with him because he choses her sister over her

I REFUSE to watch the 2nd season of the anime because of that, Kyousuke is an asshole.

If you read the spoiler, make sure to read the RIGHT spoiler. Seriously, what you read is wrong

[finalfury]

what vexx said times 100.

[Marina2]

I heard that the anime version of Oreimo make Kirino look bad than she should be (in term of personality) compare to the novel version. Is this true?

[GVN.Chaos]

Yup, totally true. One factor is that in LN, we have Kyousuke as an unreliable narrator

[Ryuzaki89]

can anyone send me the link to oreimo light novel volume 11(english)?

[GVN.Chaos]

Not translated yet. My beta was suggesting skip both vol 10/11 to start vol 12 thought.

[Mystic_Vegetto]

icebreaker, your Analysis is incomplete...because there's no Analysis of a Harem End!

Also, GVN.Chaos I want to thank you for working on the novels. I've only been reading summaries of the novels so it's nice to have a translation to get the full story. So yeah, thanks for taking the time to work on them.

[Flying Dagger]

but but but.... vol10 is the Ayase book
v11 can prob be skipped, and leave in only the girls talk.

Here is another thought:
Ayase has obtained something special from all the other heroines:
- She has became very close friends with Manami (much to Kyousuke's surprise)
- She has gotten a pair of Kirino's favorite hairclips
- She has undergone Kuroneko's special "ritual"

[s0beit]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Not translated yet. My beta was suggesting skip both vol 10/11 to start vol 12 thought.

He meant skip 10 and go to 11 directly, since 12 isn't out

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

but but but.... vol10 is the Ayase book
v11 can prob be skipped, and leave in only the girls talk.

Here is another thought:
Ayase has obtained something special from all the other heroines:
- She has became very close friends with Manami (much to Kyousuke's surprise)
- She has gotten a pair of Kirino's favorite hairclips
- She has undergone Kuroneko's special "ritual"

Volume 11 has some important plot-relevant things for volume 12, volume 10 has summaries. Nobody really knows what happens in 11 yet unless you read short spoilers or know japanese/chinese/whatever, so I think it'd be a good call to go to 11.

[Ryuzaki89]

Originally Posted by s0beit

He meant skip 10 and go to 11 directly, since 12 isn't out



Volume 11 has some important plot-relevant things for volume 12, volume 10 has summaries. Nobody really knows what happens in 11 yet unless you read short spoilers or know japanese/chinese/whatever, so I think it'd be a good call to go to 11.

yep, that would be great....

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by s0beit

Nobody really knows what happens in 11 yet unless you read short spoilers or know japanese/chinese/whatever, so I think it'd be a good call to go to 11.

Well, I think the information that was already posted in this thread is pretty complete based on what everyone who read the volume said so far... Is the summary not complete enough?

(But, by the way, please don't use this thread to discuss or make requests about fan translation. This thread is to discuss the novels themselves, not fan translation projects for them.)

[Flying Dagger]

All from my memory from a while ago so parts of this may be out of order or inaccurate. Please correct me if I messed anything up.

Spoiler for parts of v11:

v11 explores Kirino and Kyousuke's childhood in more details - how the siblings used to have a great relationship (young Kirino does some fo the cutest things!), but Kyousuke pushed her away over time because it is "uncool". One scene I remember is how Kyousuke ditched Kirino in the middle of no where by telling her that he will bring Kirino along to where he is going if she is able to keep up with him - and this became a factor of Kirino doing track.

The romance of the volume comes from Kyousuke trying to get a classmate of his (Sakurai - I forgot the name when I orginally wrote this) to go to school upon the request of someone in his class (he was the class rep and wanted to play the hero). The problem child used to be a model student who is also an ojousama-turned-shut-in. Eventually Kyousuke succeed and the girl started attending class on an irregular basis.

Later on Kyousuke brought the girl along to the school trip by forging her parent's signature (they were away at the time). Unfortunately right before the girl can confess (1) to Kyousuke she fell and broke her leg, causing the school trip to be cancelled prematurely. Kyousuke was forbidding to see the girl and the girl was forced to transfer elsewhere. Meanwhile, Kyousuke had to take on the pressure from the entire class for ruining the school trip (that was probably the darkest hours of Kyousuke's life). Manami eventually got mad at the class and knocked some sense into their heads - as afterall all Kyousuke did was fulfill their selfish requests.

In present times Kyousuke was able to find the girl over a game's social platform. They met up once more and the girl took the opportunity to confess but was rejected by Kyousuke. He said something along the lines of "My answer is the same, three years ago or today" "I am sorry, there is already someone I like".

I talked about those lines in an earlier post, as it may greatly reduce the number of candidates to two: Either Kirino or Manami, and at that particular time frame I don't think Kyousuke has the interest in Kirino to reject the confession from another girl... which leaves only Manami.

ofc, it is possible for him to like someone completely different but remain unrequited and over time the role changed to one of the current heroines.



(1) The actual confession: (skipping some lines)
S: "You are a very annoying person."
S: "What is it? You wanted me to say 'this scene is beautiful! I am deeply touched!' That sort of thing?"
S: "But I acknowledge with your passion. You must remember, not everyone will be thankful just because you have done all sorts of things for them. This is an advice from Sakurai."

K: "...all the things that I have done for you, it really is none of my business, is it?"
S: "baka"
"baka baka baka, not only are you an annoying person, you are also a huge idiot"
K: "Please clarify in a way that I can understand!"

Then she fell. (She was going to tell him how much she liked the scenery and confess to Kyousuke).

//

As subtle as I perceive it to be, Manami can be surprisingly manipulative. While she may have saved Kyousuke from being overly depressed, her powerful words also changed both Kyousuke and Kirino and caused them drift apart indirectly. While what she said is true, somewhere within me just do not like what she has done.

Instead of making Kyousuke "normal" like herself. Something along with Sakurai's advice of "not everyone will appreciate what you have done" might be more suitable.

Then in present times the old Kyousuke is starting to appear again... I think this is another factor of why Kirino is developing stronger feelings towards Kyousuke: not only is he being quite nice to her, but once again she sees the shadow of the "hero Kyousuke" whom she admired.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

All from my memory from a while ago so parts of this may be out of order or inaccurate. Please correct me if I messed anything up.

Spoiler for parts of v11:

v11 explores Kirino and Kyousuke's childhood in more details - how the siblings used to have a great relationship (young Kirino does some fo the cutest things!), but Kyousuke pushed her away over time because it is "uncool". One scene I remember is how Kyousuke ditched Kirino in the middle of no where by telling her that he will bring Kirino along to where he is going if she is able to keep up with him - and this became a factor of Kirino doing track.

The romance of the volume comes from Kyousuke trying to get a classmate of his (Sakurai - I forgot the name when I orginally wrote this) to go to school upon the request of someone in his class (he was the class rep and wanted to play the hero). The problem child used to be a model student who is also an ojousama-turned-shut-in. Eventually Kyousuke succeed and the girl started attending class on an irregular basis.

Later on Kyousuke brought the girl along to the school trip by forging her parent's signature (they were away at the time). Unfortunately right before the girl can confess (1) to Kyousuke she fell and broke her leg, causing the school trip to be cancelled prematurely. Kyousuke was forbidding to see the girl and the girl was forced to transfer elsewhere. Meanwhile, Kyousuke had to take on the pressure from the entire class for ruining the school trip (that was probably the darkest hours of Kyousuke's life). Manami eventually got mad at the class and knocked some sense into their heads - as afterall all Kyousuke did was fulfill their selfish requests.

In present times Kyousuke was able to find the girl over a game's social platform. They met up once more and the girl took the opportunity to confess but was rejected by Kyousuke. He said something along the lines of "My answer is the same, three years ago or today" "I am sorry, there is already someone I like".

I talked about those lines in an earlier post, as it may greatly reduce the number of candidates to two: Either Kirino or Manami, and at that particular time frame I don't think Kyousuke has the interest in Kirino to reject the confession from another girl... which leaves only Manami.

ofc, it is possible for him to like someone completely different but remain unrequited and over time the role changed to one of the current heroines.



(1) The actual confession: (skipping some lines)
S: "You are a very annoying person."
S: "What is it? You wanted me to say 'this scene is beautiful! I am deeply touched!' That sort of thing?"
S: "But I acknowledge with your passion. You must remember, not everyone will be thankful just because you have done all sorts of things for them. This is an advice from Sakurai."

K: "...all the things that I have done for you, it really is none of my business, is it?"
S: "baka"
"baka baka baka, not only are you an annoying person, you are also a huge idiot"
K: "Please clarify in a way that I can understand!"

Then she fell. (She was going to tell him how much she liked the scenery and confess to Kyousuke).

//

As subtle as I perceive it to be, Manami can be surprisingly manipulative. While she may have saved Kyousuke from being overly depressed, her powerful words also changed both Kyousuke and Kirino and caused them drift apart indirectly. While what she said is true, somewhere within me just do not like what she has done.

Instead of making Kyousuke "normal" like herself. Something along with Sakurai's advice of "not everyone will appreciate what you have done" might be more suitable.

Then in present times the old Kyousuke is starting to appear again... I think this is another factor of why Kirino is developing stronger feelings towards Kyousuke: not only is he being quite nice to her, but once again she sees the shadow of the "hero Kyousuke" whom she admired.

Spoiler for kirino analysis:

If you think about it, wouldn't that mean that the current Kirino we have today is the result of her subconscious/unconscious desire to attract Kyousuke or the result of his actions or mere presence
Ex:
Modeling= To improve her attractiveness
School Grades= to catch up to her brother who was intelligent at the time and he shows that again in volume 10
Track= for reasons you stated above
Eroge/Anime= acts a surrogate of her feelings, later develops into a hobby.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Spoiler for kirino analysis:

If you think about it, wouldn't that mean that the current Kirino we have today is the result of her subconscious/unconscious desire to attract Kyousuke or the result of his actions or mere presence
Ex:
Modeling= To improve her attractiveness
School Grades= to catch up to her brother who was intelligent at the time and he shows that again in volume 10
Track= for reasons you stated above
Eroge/Anime= acts a surrogate of her feelings, later develops into a hobby.

Spoiler:

I believe that humans are not machines: you can't just like someone one day and then hate that person another.

I am not sure if she would go that far to attract Kyousuke's attention though. She might just be a "good girl" with good looks to begin with.

While watching season 1 I thought the imouto games might be a way for Kirino to satisfy herself in place of Kyousuke, but she seem to genuinely adore the concept of an imouto so I ruled that one out. She does have some self conscious though, as seen when Kirino did not want Kyousuke to play the tsundere route in the game she gave him before she left for America as the in game character is pretty much a Kirino clone.

I am curious how Kirino get herself hooked into the ACG world. While I was reading v11 I thought it might be from Sakurai's influence since she is a gamer, but the two of them never met.

Side note:
I suspect the anonymous person who beat Kirino in the online card game (one which Kirino spent money to buy powerful cards) is Sakurai. The LN did not add too much details. I wouldn't mind if Sakurai makes a small appearance in v12.

There seems to be so much to cover in v12, Oreimo needs the Harry Potter treatment (where the books get thicker and thicker to a point where you can use it as a weapon).

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Spoiler:

I believe that humans are not machines: you can't just like someone one day and then hate that person another.

I am not sure if she would go that far to attract Kyousuke's attention though. She might just be a "good girl" with good looks to begin with.

While watching season 1 I thought the imouto games might be a way for Kirino to satisfy herself in place of Kyousuke, but she seem to genuinely adore the concept of an imouto so I ruled that one out. She does have some self conscious though, as seen when Kirino did not want Kyousuke to play the tsundere route in the game she gave him before she left for America as the in game character is pretty much a Kirino clone.

I am curious how Kirino get herself hooked into the ACG world. While I was reading v11 I thought it might be from Sakurai's influence since she is a gamer, but the two of them never met.

Side note:
I suspect the anonymous person who beat Kirino in the online card game (one which Kirino spent money to buy powerful cards) is Sakurai. The LN did not add too much details. I wouldn't mind if Sakurai makes a small appearance in v12.

There seems to be so much to cover in v12, Oreimo needs the Harry Potter treatment (where the books get thicker and thicker to a point where you can use it as a weapon).

Spoiler for response:

Thought it was an subconscious/unconscious desire which would suggest that she was not aware of it. I also should have wrote that he was a significant influence instead of being the primary cause. My bad on that regard.

[icebreaker]

Originally Posted by Mystic_Vegetto

icebreaker, your Analysis is incomplete...because there's no Analysis of a Harem End!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone seen a work with harem ending from Dengeki Bunko?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by icebreaker

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone seen a work with harem ending from Dengeki Bunko?

Depends on what you define as "harem end". Is an ending where multiple girls still actively vying for his affection a "harem end"? Or, is it only a harem end if he's in an actual "romantic relationship" with multiple girls at once? For the former, that's sort of not so unlike an "open ending" or "no ending", and I'm sure many have ended that way or similar. The latter, though, is probably more rare.

[Flying Dagger]

I will be outraged if the publisher has any sort of influence over the ending of a LN (other than axing it).