Death Note Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[GUTB_]

Something tells me she isn't going to die -- Light left some major loopholes open to keep her from comitting suicide, and she's in the OP, right? She's important.

But for being so smart, paranoid enough to not give out her real name and having such advacned knowledge of Kira's capabilities -- to think she would just hand out her name to a stranger like that. Just unbelievable.

[xfuture]

Spoiler:

---But for being so smart, paranoid enough to not give out her real name and having such advacned knowledge of Kira's capabilities -- to think she would just hand out her name to a stranger like that. Just unbelievable.---

I disagree.

Kira spent most of the episode gaining her trust. He was able to show himself to her as a detective. He acted very well.

After giving her reason to believe that he is not Kira by confirming her theories (one would think that if he was Kira, he would try to steer her wrong), he dangles a carrot in front of her. "If you tell this guy whom you trust to be a decent human being your name, than you can join L's team, and thus be closer to avenging your dead lover."

Also, he didn't pose the carrot to her like that, he posed in the form of: " I think you'd be a plus to the team, all you need to join is a team member's recommendation, an ID (so I can be sure that your not really Kira) , and L's personal approval. You already have my recommendation so..." Nice little Psy-Ops trick.

Also, I would like to state that the little flourish by Kira in the last half-second was also a very nice touch. I think Maki's (what was her real name?) oh-no look will stay in memory for a while.

[Azure22]

Originally Posted by GUTB_

Something tells me she isn't going to die -- Light left some major loopholes open to keep her from comitting suicide, and she's in the OP, right? She's important.

But for being so smart, paranoid enough to not give out her real name and having such advacned knowledge of Kira's capabilities -- to think she would just hand out her name to a stranger like that. Just unbelievable.

Well, yeah, light left loopholes in how she died, but he's already proven someone will die of a heart attack if the method of death cannot be followed through. So let's say there's some way she is unable to kill herself for whatever reason, her heart will give out. Let's face it, the girl's dead.

Spoiler:

Now, as for the handing her name out to a stranger, I find this improbable, but not unbelievable. Remember, she says that she trust L fully (at least in the manga) and that Light reminds her of L. He's been talking to her graciously and in what she perceives as a helpful manner, and here he is, quite tactfully offering her a way to get her information straight to L, when it's already been proven he's the son of a high ranking police officer, and that he's already helped solve other cases. Top this off with her frustration at losing her fiance. Light played upon those grieving emotions perfectly to get to Naomi. It would be hard to do, but Light was obviously intended to be shown as someone who knows what he's doing.

Now, as for all the complaints of Light being too evil or bastard-ish, I have this to say. Good and evil are completely relative. All religious beliefs, all political philosophies, all morals you ever had ingrained upon you are subjects which are open to debate. Let's think of it this way for a moment: The world is already overcrowded, and some of those people crowding the world are making the world a worse place to live in than it already is. If one does not let one's emotional self interfere with judgment here, and leave your decision entirely up to logic, it makes complete sense to kill off these people. We just don't like it because we wouldn't want someone with a deathnote passing judgment on us, and because we begin to pity those who are killed. It's our (good) emotional side that doesn't like Light, not our logical side. The FBI agents Light killed because they were a hinderance to his mission, as he stated (at least in the manga) that if the investigation went on too long, he may come under suspicion. If Light came under suspicion, he would no longer be able to do his duty, and if he were to be placed under suspicion then, chances are there'd be a lot more people to kill if he were to get out of it and continue working towards his goal of ridding the world of evil. Naomi Misora was also, obviously, someone who could have prevented him from seeing the end of his "noble goal." These people are now just collateral damage who got in the way of trying to get rid of people who, in all reason, should probably be gotten rid of.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not going to endorse the killing of anyone in real life, the afore mentioned (good) moral side that exists within (most) people prevents me from doing so with a clean conscience. However, in a work of fiction, I feel that it's alright to judge with logic and not emotions when it comes to death. Say what you will about Light being evil, it really makes no difference. Hero or villain, sympathetic villain or anti-hero, he is doing that which is (in the world of Death Note) logical.

...I will admit to him having a God complex, but that's what makes me love his character.

[GUTB_]

Killing the FBI agents was completely pointless -- he had a rational motive for killing Naomi, as she posed a real threat to him, but Ray was completely harmless and Light knew that Ray didn't suspect him. If he let Ray live all that would have happened is that Ray would have reported that Light wasn't suspicious and that would be that. But Light went out of his way and put himself in grave danger to just so that he could kill them, and boy was he mightly pleased with himself after the fact. He was just Evil Glee Boy when he wasted Naomi, no contrition, no conflicting emotions, he was so happy he could't help but mock her on her way to grave.

And was it mentioned that the victim will die of a heart attack if impossible conditions of death were mentioned? I only remember that impossible pre-death conditions wouldn't happen, and if no specific cause of death is speified it was heart attack. So if it was: "Die while standing in the middle of the Atlantic ocean", you would die of a heart attack, but not in the middle of the ocean. So, if it was: "Go to a place only she and Ray knows and comit suicide," you will go to such a place and comitt suicide -- but if you try and suicide and someone stops you, will you die of a heart attack anyway?

[Azure22]

Originally Posted by GUTB_

Killing the FBI agents was completely pointless -- he had a rational motive for killing Naomi, as she posed a real threat to him, but Ray was completely harmless and Light knew that Ray didn't suspect him. If he let Ray live all that would have happened is that Ray would have reported that Light wasn't suspicious and that would be that. But Light went out of his way and put himself in grave danger to just so that he could kill them, and boy was he mightly pleased with himself after the fact. He was just Evil Glee Boy when he wasted Naomi, no contrition, no conflicting emotions, he was so happy he could't help but mock her on her way to grave.

And was it mentioned that the victim will die of a heart attack if impossible conditions of death were mentioned? I only remember that impossible pre-death conditions wouldn't happen, and if no specific cause of death is speified it was heart attack. So if it was: "Die while standing in the middle of the Atlantic ocean", you would die of a heart attack, but not in the middle of the ocean. So, if it was: "Go to a place only she and Ray knows and comit suicide," you will go to such a place and comitt suicide -- but if you try and suicide and someone stops you, will you die of a heart attack anyway?

Yeah, you'd die of a heart attack anyways I think, 'cause the method of death specified would have become impossible. And yeah, Light's pleased with himself when Naomi goes off to die, but he just accomplished something that one can suspect he viewed as being difficult. He's probably proud of himself for it. I think he's already at the point where he views the human world as a battle among bugs: They can all be stepped on at any time, yet they all try to live despite their insignificance. He's just a bug that's found a way to step on all the others, and let's face it, if you see a spider eating a mosquito, d'you immediately think that's wrong? Nah, I have a tendancy to be pleased that there's one less little annoyance in the world to bite me and suck my blood. I'm pretty sure Light views himself as the spider. Take the hard focus off the world, that's all we really are, isn't it? Insignifcant specks fighting among eachother about equally pointless issues.

...And here I am, on an anime message board saying this. oo;;; Hm. That makes me a hypocrite, doesn't it?

[Li Jianliang]

Originally Posted by GUTB_

Something tells me she isn't going to die -- Light left some major loopholes open to keep her from comitting suicide, and she's in the OP, right? She's important.

She's dead.
The rest of the instructions are along the lines of "thinks up the best way to commit suicide that she can without bothering other people so that her body won't be discovered, dies in 48 hours".

Spoiler for Light writing down Naomi's name and method of death:

[monir]

Originally Posted by Azure22

...And here I am, on an anime message board saying this. oo;;; Hm. That makes me a hypocrite, doesn't it?

Hah!

I'm eagerly waiting for a sub to enjoy the episode to its full extent.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Li Jianliang

She's dead.
The rest of the instructions are along the lines of "thinks up the best way to commit suicide that she can without bothering other people so that her body won't be discovered, dies in 48 hours".

Not only that, but they added the extra scene of 'Her' walking up the lil' stairs that appear at the end of the episode. Thats there just to show.. if you missed what Light wrote down, you'll know where she's heading.

[TougeSil80]

Spoiler for Ep.17:

Damn, I really wished Naomi didn't have to die. Light is really killing more and more innocent people. Like someone said before, Light didn't even have to kill Ray at all, if he would've killed that busjacker in a more discrete way, then Ray or even L wouldn't be able to make that connection.

[Elyson]

Spoiler:

This episode disgusted me in ways I never thought possible. That woman was so absurdly gullible... I cannot believe it. I would have expected more from a former FBI agent. If or when she dies, good riddance. One less moronic buffoon is always a good thing. >o

[Trax]

On one hand, I can kinda understand that she got emotional and caved in, but on the other hand it just feels a little too convenient especially for a former FBI agent. She was determined to talk to L first but when Light came with that offer she suddenly changed her mind? Suuuuuuure.

[Forever]

Another fabulous ep. There was lots of tension building up there.

But still i prefer for this arc, I seem to prefer the movie one than the anime as it seems to be more realistic.

[juri_miki]

The episode just aired, but I'm not sure if it's still considered a spoiler though.

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I still can not believe that she gave her name out to him just like that. No, how she even trusted him just like so.

She stinks as an FBI agent and I can see why she isn't one anymore.

First off, when Light mentioned that he was apart of the Kira investigation, even if the investigation wasn't being held there, the receptionists made note that they hadn't even seen in him in a hella long time. Also, Light kept checking his watch as soon as she told him his name the first time and seemed to have been stalling her as she was getting closer and closer to the NPA's building. You would think after having worked for the FBI for a while and having worked with L she would've been a lot more sharp than that.

Second, didn't she think it was suspicious IN THE FIRST PLACE that this random guy wanted to talk to her OUTSIDE and then just whisk her away out of the NPA bldg. THEN he tries to convince her NOT to go inside the building again. IRL that would have been hella' suspicious.

Yet the biggest problem was the incompetance of the receptionists. If you go the police and tell them that you have information that could lead the arrest of ANY suspect, ESPECIALLY homicide, they would never ever let you go just like that. They have to treat those people just like suspects as well. IRL those guys would have been fired if they found out that they let go of a possible lead just like so.


Also, even if what Light said was true, all Naomi had to do was to go back to the US and get her own job back. She could've just contacted L that way. She didn't need the Japanese police if that was the case.

So I guess it's obvious that I just don't believe how UNrealistic this episode was.

[Vicequaizer]

...Okay, I'm assuming that a lot of people haven't seen it with the subtitles, because a lot of the stuff that people are debating are answered if you knew what they were saying.
First of all, don't think that Naomi was just stupid and easily revealed her real name to Light, because it isn't like that.
People might have forgotten, but Light is one HECK of a genius, probably one of the smartest person in Japan...Naomi herself was very smart too, but in the end the smarter one one.
It wasn't that Naomi was dumb and Light got her easily.

As for the episode...man, I don't know what but Naoko Matsui totally got me.
I wasn't exactly a fan of Naomi in the manga, and probably disliked her in the movie...but in the anime, even knowing what is going to happen to her, I was praying for her to be fine.
Misa is going to have to do quite a lot win back her throne as my "personal favorite female Death Note character".

[Vicequaizer]

Originally Posted by juri_miki

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Second, didn't she think it was suspicious IN THE FIRST PLACE that this random guy wanted to talk to her OUTSIDE and then just whisk her away out of the NPA bldg. THEN he tries to convince her NOT to go inside the building again. IRL that would have been hella' suspicious.

Yet the biggest problem was the incompetance of the receptionists. If you go the police and tell them that you have information that could lead the arrest of ANY suspect, ESPECIALLY homicide, they would never ever let you go just like that. They have to treat those people just like suspects as well. IRL those guys would have been fired if they found out that they let go of a possible lead just like so.

Also, even if what Light said was true, all Naomi had to do was to go back to the US and get her own job back. She could've just contacted L that way. She didn't need the Japanese police if that was the case.

It wasn't a "random guy", but a guy who she was quite assured to be the son of the chief of Kira investigation group.
It isn't like he lured her outside, but was just taking a walk to kill some time so that when she returned, a member would've been back.
He also never tried to convince her NOT to go back there, but just told her that the investigation members won't be at NPA.

As for the receptionists...well, there is only so much they can do.
Someone tells them that s/he has info about a suspect, but the guys in charge are not responding to the call.
The receptionist offers to send a message to them, but she absolutely refuses, and only wants to tell it in person.
Receptionists aren't capable of forcing her to stay forever waiting for a member they aren't sure when they are coming back.

Lastly, returning to FBI wouldn't have necessarily helped the cause, as after the deaths I believe FBI told L that they won't be interfering with Kira anymore...so getting back her job wouldn't have done any good.
Also, no one except Watari knows how to contact L (atleast, I thought so), so she can't contact L herself no matter what.
Knowing for a fact that L is going to be sniffing around the Kanto area of Japan and the fact that the incident occurred in Japan as well makes it more efficient to attempt to contact L through the Japanese police.

[Ratix]

Naomi is pretty isn't she? =D.

Anyway I like this episode. Really nicely pulled out.

The soundtrack is really good too, can't wait to hear the OST.

BTW, I don't get the significance of this, both in the manga when I read, and the anime..

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Aizawa walking past...
Firstly when I read in the manga, I thought it could serve as some things against Light, but nothing surfaced.
Now in the anime, I kinda got more understanding of it...

Does it mean that due to the snow, Aizawa opened his umbrella and is unable to realise Light, and Naomi, are just right in front of him?

[juri_miki]

Originally Posted by Vicequaizer

It wasn't a "random guy", but a guy who she was quite assured to be the son of the chief of Kira investigation group.
It isn't like he lured her outside, but was just taking a walk to kill some time so that when she returned, a member would've been back.

But knowing that KIRA was in that section of Japan and had a link to the police, EVERYONE is, automatically, considered a suspect. IRL, what Light had done, would have been hella' suspicous in itself. I'm surprised that Naomi didn't even think that he was trying to hit on her at first.

Also, even if he was the SON, she still didn't know that he was apart of the investigation. Even if she had retired from the FBI, it's only been 3 months. She should have known better than to tell all that to some random stranger, especially when any of those random strangers could have been Kira.

Originally Posted by Vicequaizer

He also never tried to convince her NOT to go back there, but just told her that the investigation members won't be at NPA.

Umm...yes he did. He asked why is she going back to there even after he told her that she would have had no luck. Not only that, but he was, obviously stalling. The closer she got to the building, the more he was shooting off at the mouth until he finally revealed at the end that he was apart of the investigation. Any REAL investigator would have taken her upstairs. She should've known that much. She should've especially realized that when Light didn't even recognize the receptionist at the front.

Originally Posted by Vicequaizer

As for the receptionists...well, there is only so much they can do.
Someone tells them that s/he has info about a suspect, but the guys in charge are not responding to the call.

Unless it's different in Japan, normally witnesses are considered suspects, well where I live they are. Even if no one from that department is not there, then I'm sure they're not the only people working in that building. Someone else from a different department would've brought her upstairs. There is someone working above Yagami, and even though most of the investigators have quit the investigation, there's still no way that someone would have let a potential witness/suspect just walk out of the building like so. At least they would've pressed for her information and/or had her wait somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Vicequaizer

Lastly, returning to FBI wouldn't have necessarily helped the cause, as after the deaths I believe FBI told L that they won't be interfering with Kira anymore...so getting back her job wouldn't have done any good.
Also, no one except Watari knows how to contact L (atleast, I thought so), so she can't contact L herself no matter what.

Maybe she couldn't, but if she went back to the FBI, she would have had more resources at her disposal then she does as someone who isn't working for them. She may not be able to contact L, directly, but she would've had a better chance of contacting Watari considering that she HAD worked with L before. If she had given Watari that info, at least, I know that there's a way to get in contact with him, then she would've definitely gotten to L. Or, going back to the FBI, she could've told them what she had learned and had info that would've helped to catch the person who killed all 12 of those agents, plus their superior.

Originally Posted by Vicequaizer

Knowing for a fact that L is going to be sniffing around the Kanto area of Japan and the fact that the incident occurred in Japan as well makes it more efficient to attempt to contact L through the Japanese police.

But being with the FBI, her getting in contact with them then, would have probably been a little bit more successful.

[kauldron26]

wow... wow... wow... wow... not since monster have i ever been in such suspense

[EragonJeriel]

He shoulda say keep quiet and i ll let u go..... she was hot too

[FlareKnight]

Wow I can't remember a show where I've wanted a character (Light) to get killed off this badly. Which would be hard since he's the main character. But seriously the guy is about as twisted and disturbing as you can get. I really don't think this is about justice anymore, more like being about covering his tail and having fun killing people.

The first time he thought she had given her name he was completely interested in seeing how she'd die. The guy just gets kicks out of killing people, he's way worst than any of the criminals that are in jail or dead now. He's just out to kill people for fun and become some sort of god. Going on to tell her who he was, is going overboard. He didn't need to do that for any justice reason, he just got a thrill out of seeing the horror in her eyes. It's just too depressing to see nice people getting killed off just so this guy can get a thrill.