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Kairin · 2014-10-25, 21:06

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ChainLegacy · 2014-10-25, 23:23

The animation and choreography for the fights thus far has just been outstanding, perhaps unparalleled among recent anime.

Love the sly smile from Archer, and the little hints of his powers being dropped already with the sword hilt in front of Shirou and Saber. UBW is the most badass route by far, even thought HF has a more intense plot, the pure epicness of UBW makes it my favorite.

Too bad the episode felt like it flew by in 5 minutes...

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 00:21

Berserker's unarmed combat was a nod to pankration, a martial art said to be invented by Heracles and Theseus. Done well. Hell, the whole fight was done well. And you know what? This episode seems unfinished. There were noticeable awkward transitions during the fights so small sequences needed to be added in. The frames themselves would be redrawn a bit like what happened with Zero. BDs would be glorious.

bhl88 · 2014-10-26, 00:22

Agile and super strong. I think she used a mini-Excalibur to demonstrate God Hand...

So in here, Berserker lost two lives....

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 00:26

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Agile and super strong. I think she used a mini-Excalibur to demonstrate God Hand...

So in here, Berserker lost two lives....

It felt kinda awkward infodumping something like that when she's literally in front of him and it kinda went too long as well. It would have worked in a farther distance or outside battle.

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 00:29

But the use of Excalibur felt natural here as Saber would have noticed Invisible Air is not working and promptly tried to eliminate Berserker as fast as she can.

HtwoN · 2014-10-26, 00:31

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Agile and super strong. I think she used a mini-Excalibur to demonstrate God Hand...

So in here, Berserker lost two lives....

It is not really matter how many lives he lost here.

Gil will just simply take care of the rest...

bhl88 · 2014-10-26, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Rev Okkin

It felt kinda awkward infodumping something like that when she's literally in front of him and it kinda went too long as well. It would have worked in a farther distance or outside battle.

If Rider can tweak his chariot to work on one target, Saber could probably do it too.

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Originally Posted by HtwoN

It is not really matter how many lives he lost here.

Gil will just simply take care of the rest...

Yeah. But Berserker should do something (since they were doing some stuff that wasn't in the novel....)

ninja_pintu · 2014-10-26, 00:53

I wonder why Archer never tried to kill Illya? If he could save Rin, then he should have been able to hit Illya as well since she was standing just a few metres in front of Rin.

Rising Dragon · 2014-10-26, 00:55

Probably because Berserker could've easily blocked any attempt, just like we saw Saber easily block that Berserker's attempt on Shirou's life.

ninja_pintu · 2014-10-26, 00:59

Wasn't Berserker fighting Saber at the graveyard at that time?

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 01:00

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Originally Posted by ninja pintu

I wonder why Archer never tried to kill Illya? If he could save Rin, then he should have been able to hit Illya as well since she was standing just a few metres in front of Rin.

He did say he can sense his Master but not other Masters. So probably the most he can sense of Rin is a small space around her so he was able to accurately shoot down Illya's magic but not Illya herself.

Tormenk · 2014-10-26, 01:02

So why does Ilya show so much interest in Shirou? Because she knows they are step-siblings?

Rising Dragon · 2014-10-26, 01:04

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Originally Posted by ninja_pintu

Wasn't Berserker fighting Saber at the graveyard at that time?

And given how fast Servants are, with Ilya in the immediate area, you think he couldn't have stopped any harm from coming to her? Servants can trade several blows in the space it takes for a human to blink.

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Originally Posted by Tormenk

So why does Ilya show so much interest in Shirou? Because she knows they are step-siblings?

Because for her, it's personal. She doesn't know the full story of the Fourth Grail War, and only sees Shirou as the boy her father abandoned her for. She's very, very upset and bitter and wants him dead as a result. I dunno if it'll be explored in this anime--IIRC it's not a subject that comes up in UBW, given what happens to Ilya, but given the new scenes we're supposed to get of her...

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Because for her, it's personal. She doesn't know the full story of the Fourth Grail War, and only sees Shirou as the boy her father abandoned her for. She's very, very upset and bitter and wants him dead as a result.

Small question that may or may not destroy my headcanon...
Do Vessels of the Holy Grail, like Iri and Illya, have some knowledge of the identities of the Servants of the HGW that they correspond to? (basically Iri has some knowledge of the Servants in the 4th HGW while Illya has some knowledge of the Servants in the 5th HGW barring Gilgamesh because he is technically of the 4th HGW)

Key Board · 2014-10-26, 01:17

They do but only once they have absorbed that spirit as a grail
Ilya knew who Shirou was once she took Archer's spirit as grail in HF

Rev Okkin · 2014-10-26, 01:26

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Originally Posted by Key Board

They do but only once they have absorbed that spirit as a grail
Ilya knew who Shirou was once she took Archer's spirit as grail in HF

That promptly destroys my headcanon... eh, it wasn't much at the beginning.
So Illya's reason for taking interest with Archer was not (VN) being able to take a life of Berserker but (ufoFSN) going against what seems to her an alliance between Shirou and Rin and almost killing her prey Shirou?

TwilightsCall · 2014-10-26, 01:30

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Originally Posted by ninja_pintu

I wonder why Archer never tried to kill Illya? If he could save Rin, then he should have been able to hit Illya as well since she was standing just a few metres in front of Rin.

I don't remember the exact place it was mentioned (whether an interview or one of the CM volumes or something), but I do remember hearing that the timeline that leads to Archer existing is one in which he was very close to Illya. I doubt that Archer would be comfortable with killing Illya outright, especially during their first confrontation.

I felt like him saying he couldn't keep track of Illya was just an excuse. If he could see precisely enough to shoot her birds out of the air, he shouldn't have any problem keeping track of where she was.

I really loved the additional content they added to this episode, and am especially really happy to see the extra attention given to showcasing Illya's personality. Also, having a first actual appearance of her using magic in a combat setting was nice to (finally) see. The extended Saber/Berserker fight was also quite a treat. I'm very much looking forward to how the rest of this adaptation plays out, if for no reason other than to see what other kinds of original elements they plan on adding.

rladls2121 · 2014-10-26, 02:09

And Saber gave a bad reaction when she heard Einzbern.
I wonder if she miss Iri?

Shiro, he admits he is useless in the battle and he still dives into it, thinking he wants to help others as always does at school and jobs.
What do we call that?

Xero8420 · 2014-10-26, 02:18

Before talking about Shirou, you guys should admit that ufotable did a great job on altering his character, and pretty much on other characters like Taiga too. Noticed that he's not holding an idiot ball like he did in DEEN version, as he seemed more instinctive than before.

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2014-10-26, 00:22	Link #4
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Agile and super strong. I think she used a mini-Excalibur to demonstrate God Hand... So in here, Berserker lost two lives.... __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

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ninja_pintu Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Age: 33	I wonder why Archer never tried to kill Illya? If he could save Rin, then he should have been able to hit Illya as well since she was standing just a few metres in front of Rin. __________________

2014-10-26, 00:55	Link #10
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Probably because Berserker could've easily blocked any attempt, just like we saw Saber easily block that Berserker's attempt on Shirou's life. __________________

2014-10-25, 23:23	Link #2
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	The animation and choreography for the fights thus far has just been outstanding, perhaps unparalleled among recent anime. Love the sly smile from Archer, and the little hints of his powers being dropped already with the sword hilt in front of Shirou and Saber. UBW is the most badass route by far, even thought HF has a more intense plot, the pure epicness of UBW makes it my favorite. Too bad the episode felt like it flew by in 5 minutes...

2014-10-26, 00:21	Link #3
Rev Okkin Yorokobe, (Insert name) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	Berserker's unarmed combat was a nod to pankration, a martial art said to be invented by Heracles and Theseus. Done well. Hell, the whole fight was done well. And you know what? This episode seems unfinished. There were noticeable awkward transitions during the fights so small sequences needed to be added in. The frames themselves would be redrawn a bit like what happened with Zero. BDs would be glorious.

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Rev Okkin Yorokobe, (Insert name) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	But the use of Excalibur felt natural here as Saber would have noticed Invisible Air is not working and promptly tried to eliminate Berserker as fast as she can.

2014-10-26, 00:59	Link #11
ninja_pintu Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Age: 33	Wasn't Berserker fighting Saber at the graveyard at that time? __________________

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	They do but only once they have absorbed that spirit as a grail Ilya knew who Shirou was once she took Archer's spirit as grail in HF __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2014-10-26, 02:09	Link #19
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	And Saber gave a bad reaction when she heard Einzbern. I wonder if she miss Iri? Shiro, he admits he is useless in the battle and he still dives into it, thinking he wants to help others as always does at school and jobs. What do we call that?

2014-10-26, 02:18	Link #20
Xero8420 Ashigara's master Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: A disclosed area off coast Ryuku Islands Age: 32	Before talking about Shirou, you guys should admit that ufotable did a great job on altering his character, and pretty much on other characters like Taiga too. Noticed that he's not holding an idiot ball like he did in DEEN version, as he seemed more instinctive than before.