Muv-Luv Franchise - FanFiction Discussion

[sasahar17]

Originally Posted by Tempy

PMCs come in many flavors. Some are purely in it for the money. Others just seek to do things their way -- the money is just gravy. The UN troops in the story rallied with the Grey Knights because their shattered morale was restored by the reinforcements. It was more of just a blurb about Grey Knights anyways.

I don't think there are any PMCs in canon, so I have to this without support. You are correct, however, in that majority of people do not trust PMCs. I mean, who would trust the guy whose sole reason for fighting for you is money? Still, modern organizations play by contracts, and no one will hire a group that breaks contracts for more money. When you work for governments, reputation is important.

I am aware that historically there have been ‘mercenaries in name only’ that have fought for causes they believed in, but the general tone of the ML setting seems that such well-intentioned individuals/groups would run up against a lot of bad rep that has been created by their less scrupulous counterparts. Obviously attitudes will vary from place to place, for instance the Suez defenders will be a hell of a lot less picky about who’s shooting the BETA than Imperial Japan, but this could make for some interesting drama. But yeah, the Grey Knights don’t seem that compelling to me.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Quite intriguing, and I'd say this would be an interesting aspect of the Alternative world to explore. Unfortunately, I doubt my ability to pull it off. Maybe someone like Kei, who took a short ME3 newsblurb - "Kal'Reegar dies protecting a comm relay" and turns it into a manly tearjerking heroic last stand (reposted here with permission by Lowe Gear).

Now that is the Kal’Reegar I know and love (Personally my first reaction to him being dead was ‘pics or it didn’t happen’). Seriously, when I first ran into him in ME2 I wanted this guy for the suicide squad. Mountain of bodies… heh… Shepard should have recruited his ass.

Mass Effect aside, most fiction we’ve seen revolves around the BETA war effort of the Muv Luv world. While certainly the most important part about it given failure on that front would effectively doom the human race, there are other parts of it that might be interesting to look at. For instance, we could follow a ‘Jack Reacher’ expy MP as he solves heinous military crimes that have been committed ‘for the greater good’, or a naïve American reporter who had been embedded with a frontline unit attempting to get his story out to the American mass media when he gets home.

Just a thought anyway.

Originally Posted by Alastor Mobius Toth

It gets rather convulsed, and fast. Failed translations do not help (although arguably AC:FA is clearer then AC4).

Basically your character in AC4 ends up completely playing up to the bad guys (the Omer Science Technology, which makes USA of MuvLuv look peaceful and idealistic). And it causes a *lot* of problems.

Spoiler for AC4 storyline:

Bigass Plot

So yeah, there's quite a bit of plot. Whew.

Wow, that sounds like a real lose-lose situation. People are going to die whatever the hero does, and the kill ‘em all for the lulz ending makes me shake my head (although if those are the other options the player is presented with, I can see how he might just possibly just lose his marbles and go berserk). Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. So which ending were you going for?

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I just went to the MuvLuv section at fanfiction.net and noticed most of the fanfics are about Takeru aka Bratty Savior going back in time after MLA to fix things his way with some variations.

I am in total agreement with you. That’s kinda sad actually how there are only a few non-Peggy Sue fics on FF.net. I know Muv Luv does have a canonical loop, but honestly it’s been done to death by this point. There’s only so many fics you can read about Takeru trying to fix things that the whole thing becomes rather stale.

Like you noted, the problem about the FF.net section for Muv Luv isn’t size, but rather the variety of what’s in it. That makes fics like ‘Comet’, ‘Tropic Thunder’ and ‘Eishi of Zero’ all the more important.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I would prefer something different or original like "What if Kirito and the gang from Sword Art Online arrive to the MuvLuv universe?" or "Master Chief or Commander Shepard somehow arrives and becomes Humanity's new hope" or "Duke Nukem arrives during the Battle of Kyoto and kick all of the BETAs ass and score chicks".

You don’t actually need to think that hard to create new fanfic ideas. Hell you don’t even need a crossover. For instance, you could have a story set in the far future of the Unlimited timeline (which obviously didn’t reset for some reason or the fic wouldn’t exist in the first place) where the humans of colony, now pretty well established, decide to send an expedition to see if there’s anything left on Earth aside from the BETA… and lo and behold, people are still alive down there! Cue drama.

As for crossovers, the Chief and Shepard have a potential to turn it into a curbstomp since the UNSC and HSA can bomb the BETA from above, but it can be done. It’ll definitely take more work to make it compelling. The Krito idea, that I can see being done.

The Kirito and gang arrive in the ML universe thing might actually work if you use the whole ‘different game setting for SAO gimmick’. It is a death game after all, so you could easily have 10,000 game players stuck in a do or die battle against computer generated BETA with the only way out being to seize the Original Hive. Kabayaka wanted a world where his simulated life seems more real than reality, and the compelling world of ML heck of a lot more interesting than good ol’ Aincaid. It’ll probably take some work to make the whole gimmick to be a solid fic, but that’s one possibility for a serious crossover (on the other hand, you could somehow have AU versions of them in the ML world, but that’s a bit old).

I still think ‘X-Com online’ (not a fic, just an idea I came up with) will have a higher casualty count when the players inevitably win though…

[NorthernFallout]

Harro again. I'm aiming to dive deeper into editing/beta'ing so if someone needs a beta, throw me a PM. I do general proofreading, structure, character, plot, etc. to the best of my abilities. I aim to write professionally one day so it'll also help myself as well.

Speaking of which... I need to get back to writing Muvluv :x

[John117xCortana]

Update.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7112821/69/

I'm disappointed though. The part I was waiting for. The joint exercise doesn't happen in this chapter.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

I am aware that historically there have been ‘mercenaries in name only’ that have fought for causes they believed in, but the general tone of the ML setting seems that such well-intentioned individuals/groups would run up against a lot of bad rep that has been created by their less scrupulous counterparts. Obviously attitudes will vary from place to place, for instance the Suez defenders will be a hell of a lot less picky about who’s shooting the BETA than Imperial Japan, but this could make for some interesting drama. But yeah, the Grey Knights don’t seem that compelling to me.


Now that is the Kal’Reegar I know and love (Personally my first reaction to him being dead was ‘pics or it didn’t happen’). Seriously, when I first ran into him in ME2 I wanted this guy for the suicide squad. Mountain of bodies… heh… Shepard should have recruited his ass.

Mass Effect aside, most fiction we’ve seen revolves around the BETA war effort of the Muv Luv world. While certainly the most important part about it given failure on that front would effectively doom the human race, there are other parts of it that might be interesting to look at. For instance, we could follow a ‘Jack Reacher’ expy MP as he solves heinous military crimes that have been committed ‘for the greater good’, or a naïve American reporter who had been embedded with a frontline unit attempting to get his story out to the American mass media when he gets home.

Just a thought anyway.


Wow, that sounds like a real lose-lose situation. People are going to die whatever the hero does, and the kill ‘em all for the lulz ending makes me shake my head (although if those are the other options the player is presented with, I can see how he might just possibly just lose his marbles and go berserk). Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. So which ending were you going for?


I am in total agreement with you. That’s kinda sad actually how there are only a few non-Peggy Sue fics on FF.net. I know Muv Luv does have a canonical loop, but honestly it’s been done to death by this point. There’s only so many fics you can read about Takeru trying to fix things that the whole thing becomes rather stale.

Like you noted, the problem about the FF.net section for Muv Luv isn’t size, but rather the variety of what’s in it. That makes fics like ‘Comet’, ‘Tropic Thunder’ and ‘Eishi of Zero’ all the more important.


You don’t actually need to think that hard to create new fanfic ideas. Hell you don’t even need a crossover. For instance, you could have a story set in the far future of the Unlimited timeline (which obviously didn’t reset for some reason or the fic wouldn’t exist in the first place) where the humans of colony, now pretty well established, decide to send an expedition to see if there’s anything left on Earth aside from the BETA… and lo and behold, people are still alive down there! Cue drama.

As for crossovers, the Chief and Shepard have a potential to turn it into a curbstomp since the UNSC and HSA can bomb the BETA from above, but it can be done. It’ll definitely take more work to make it compelling. The Krito idea, that I can see being done.

The Kirito and gang arrive in the ML universe thing might actually work if you use the whole ‘different game setting for SAO gimmick’. It is a death game after all, so you could easily have 10,000 game players stuck in a do or die battle against computer generated BETA with the only way out being to seize the Original Hive. Kabayaka wanted a world where his simulated life seems more real than reality, and the compelling world of ML heck of a lot more interesting than good ol’ Aincaid. It’ll probably take some work to make the whole gimmick to be a solid fic, but that’s one possibility for a serious crossover (on the other hand, you could somehow have AU versions of them in the ML world, but that’s a bit old).

I still think ‘X-Com online’ (not a fic, just an idea I came up with) will have a higher casualty count when the players inevitably win though…

Yeah, sorry about that. I shouldn't have use crossovers as examples. I should have use like "What if all Yui's friends survived during the Fall of Kyoto and join her in Alaska?" or "What if the Coup succeed?" or "Every TSF gets a portable Railgun?".

[sasahar17]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

"What if all Yui's friends survived during the Fall of Kyoto and join her in Alaska?"

Well a more well adjusted Yui would be nice to see, but I just had the most cracktastic brainwave.

Y'know, Yifei has her own cheerleader squad in her efforts to seduce Yuuya. What happens if Yui has a bunch of well meaning but ultimately counterproductive friends of her own? Nothing messes up a Jelly-dere's day like a bunch of well-meaning BFFs who constantly force her into situations she doesn't want to be in. And hell while we're at it, lets have Sadeck decide Yuuya is the perfect gene donor to create his ultimate ESPer with Cryska as the mother...

...did I just turn TE into Infinite Stratos?

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

"What if the Coup succeed?"

SOMEONE FUND THIS.

I have a sneaking suspicion it will be like one of the more awesome Fate Stay Night Bad Ends. Yes, the world is doomed, and yes everything is going to go to heck, but it's going to be one amazing looking train wreck.

The coup succeeding, unlikely that would be is considering that both the CIA and a certain RIG general probably have their own plots going in it on top of Shirogane's interference, would see Yuuhi crowned commander in chief of Imperial Japan against her own wishes. Considering the country just survived a civil war, there's no way she can abdicate since they need a strong leader. And the US is probably not too happy with the regime change either, since if I so recall, they expected to step in and save the day at the very last second, American Hero style. Hell for added trauma, you can have coup succeed over the dead bodies of the Hunter Battalion and a good portion of the 207th.

Kid sister dead, illegally put in charge of whole country, international outrage, BETA at the gates… it is not a good day to be named Kobuin Yuuhi. Now the first question is, what's the first thing she's gonna do as commander and chief?

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

"Every TSF gets a portable Railgun?".

Well it’s either the BETA get their asses kicked so fast they won’t even know what hit them, or they’ll be incredible shortages of 120mm shells worldwide. All depends on the writer I guess?

[Darthtabby]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

Well a more well adjusted Yui would be nice to see, but I just had the most cracktastic brainwave.

Y'know, Yifei has her own cheerleader squad in her efforts to seduce Yuuya. What happens if Yui has a bunch of well meaning but ultimately counterproductive friends of her own? Nothing messes up a Jelly-dere's day like a bunch of well-meaning BFFs who constantly force her into situations she doesn't want to be in. And hell while we're at it, lets have Sadeck decide Yuuya is the perfect gene donor to create his ultimate ESPer with Cryska as the mother...

Probably best if Yui's friends don't show up until Yui's already been at Yukon base for a while. Maybe they've come to assist with the next phase of testing. That way they can be shocked by the fact that Yui has fallen for a guy. Also, no reason they all need to help try to get them together. After all, some of them might not approve of Yuuya, and Episode 19 indicated that Yui herself is a bit of a chick manget.

At any rate, I approve of the general concept. Someone write this!

[sasahar17]

I was told a while ago that I could put on any world building snippets for MLYRL I made on this thread. Well, this here is the first one.

Spoiler for ML:DYRL, VF-8 Crusader II:

Stonewell/Bellcom VF-8 Crusader II

The most abundant VTF model seen during the BETA war, the VF-8 Crusader II (hereforth ‘Crusader’) is the backbone of the UN Army, US Navy and USMC’s VTF fleet. The VF-8 would eventually gain a near legendary reputation as the iconic VTF of the war, gaining the moniker ‘the last dogfighter’ after repeated clashes with the Soviet Su-51s Feniks in the Pacific.

Background

While the Crusader wasn’t the first production VTF seen by mankind’s armies (that honor would go to the EF-2002 Dragoon, first fielded by the Germany Army and RAF), it is the first VTF to be used like an actual Valkyrie. Whereas the EU used their Dragoons as ‘mobile TSFs’ that would proceed to a combat area using Fighter mode and execute their mission in Gerwalk and Battroid modes (hence the name), the US Navy viewed the VF-8 as an entirely new weapons platform and treated it as such.

History

During the Battle of Lyons in January 2002, the German Army’s JA44 Verberus Battalion and Project Valkyire’s Argos Flight used 12 VTF-0(2) to devastating effect when they laid siege to the Lyon Hive. Onlookers from the USS America and USS Enterprise participating in the operation were awed by the effectiveness of the VTFs in annihilating scores of Lux and Magnus Lux BETA in short periods of time. Combined with the ease of which the original two VTF-0(2)s disposed of the RLF F-16 and MiG29 TSFs during the Red Shift incident, US came to a realization that they needed their own VTF forces to remain relevant in the changing landscape of warfare. It was the US Navy who decided to take the first step.

For morale purposes, the Stonewell-Bellcom VF-8 Crusader II was named after the Vaughn F-8 Crusader fighter plane, the last carrier based fighter that was used by the US Navy before being supplanted by TSFs. Due to the fact that the US Navy wanted to keep up with the EU, who had by started introducing the EF-2002 Dragoon into their armed forces, the first Crusaders were almost carbon copies of the VTF-0(3) developmental machines from Project Valkyrie. Using parts from F-14D and F-16C TSFs to cut down on build times, the success of the VF-8A/B models eventually lead to a dedicated production line using specifically fabricated parts. Production never really did meet the extremely high demand from the US Navy and Marines throughout the war and the VF-8 was eventually superseded by the superior and more cost effective VF-12 Valkyrja in early 2004. Indeed, demand was so high that Stonewell and its parent company Boening outsorced Crusader production to Lockweed and Northrock in an attempt to meet the order placements. Even so, the Crusader was a legend in its own time, and many die hard Crusader pilots instead opted to upgrade their Crusaders to the E/F models instead of transfer over to the Valkyrja.

One curious thing about the VF-8 line is their non-stealthy radar profile, an oddity considering most VTFs were designed with a low radar profile. This was actually a deliberate design choice that came about due to a request to Project Valkyrie from the US Naval command. After the recent public relations debacles arising from the F-22A and Red Shift, the US Navy wanted to show the world it was dedicated to fighting the BETA instead of putting America's interests first. They requested Project Valkyrie’s lead engineer, Vincent Lowell, to increase the VF-8's radar profile to make it very clear to the international stage that the US Navy's line VTF wasn't a weapon designed to battle other humans. Unfortunately, the VF-8's performance during Blue Flag ‘02 still garnered the reputation the US Navy was trying so hard to avoid from some nations, notably COSEAN and certain elements in Imperial Japan (namely the IRG). Fortunately, many other nations found this unwarranted criticism ridiculous (including the IJA, MEC and the EU), and the VF-8’s effectiveness against the BETA eventually silenced its naysers.

Variants

VF-8A/B: Single-seat (VF-8A) and Dual-seat (VF-8B) variants built using components from retiring F-14Ds. The VF-8A, intended as a multi-role quick response fighter, used a variable sweep wings while the VF-8B, a fighter-bomber used delta wings for additional stability. Typical armament as of introduction consists of a 36mm tri-barreled gun-pod with adjustable ROF with internal feed of 600 rounds, two internal missile bays capable of holding mixed load-outs of missiles, four hard points on the wings for additional weapons and two head mounted chemical laser cannons for short ranged defense. Defensive systems include PPB and ECA systems. Maximum speed for the VF-8A is Mach 2.72 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. Only 36 of these were constructed (24 VF-8As and 12 VF-8Bs) as they were intended as a 'test' to see how well a VTF would function by US Navy and US Marine Corp before they committed themselves to the VTF program.

VF-8C/D: Using components from F-15Es instead of F-14D to save on factory production lines, the VF-8C (single seat, variable sweep) and VF-8D (dual seat, delta wing) were simply upgraded versions of the A/B series. Improvements included the addition of a 'bullet-proof buckler' on the left forearm that also stored additional magazines for the gunpod, and improved engines that allowed for super-cruise. Typical armament consisted of a 36mm tri-barreled gun-pod with adjustable ROF fed through a removable box magazine with 800 rounds (two additional magazines stored in buckler), two internal missile bays capable of holding mixed load-out of missiles, four hard points on the wings for additional weapons and two head mounted chemical laser cannons for short ranged defense. The VF-8D, now moving more into it’s role as fighter-bomber, also had two over wing hard points and two fuselage hard points, giving it significantly more armament than its single seat counterpart. Defensive systems include a significantly strengthened PPB and ECA systems. Maximum speed for the VF-8C is Mach 2.98 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. Over 150 VF-8C/Ds were produced by Stonewell and Boening during the year 2003.

VF-8E/F Super Crusader: Introduced late into the war, this final variant was made using nothing but specifically fabricated parts as opposed to components from TSFs. The VF-8E (single seat, variable sweep) and VF-8F (dual seat, delta wing) were the most powerful variants of the Crusader. Only slightly improved from the VF-8C/D, the E/F also introduced the Howard EMR-03 'Beowulf' Coilgun to the VF-8 series. This was significant as the EMR-03 was a weapon that allowed the VF-8 to have a primary gun-pod that could have ammunition counts similar to a TSF's assault cannon (2000 12.7x99 NATO rounds and two spare magazines). The VF-8E could also mount a 'Paladin' Supplementary Armament Package, a module that gave the VF-8E additional armor and weapons but sacrificed speed and agility. Maximum speed for the VF-8E is Mach 3.1 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. In addition to the surviving VF-8C/Ds that were upgraded to E/Fs, around 24 more of these were built before Operation Babylon.

Operational Usage

The single seat VF-8A/C/E are normally employed as fast hunter killers and quick response units. Multiple Crusaders would operate together in teams of four to achieve this. These Crusaders were used to pick apart large Destroyer charges from their unarmored backs, taking out isolated and vulnerable pockets of BETA and other targets of opportunity, jumping into situations as emergency reinforcements and, most importantly, elimination of Laser Class BETA.

The two seat VF-8B/D/F were dedicated bombers and interceptors, carrying large amounts of explosive ordinance to execute its missions. Fewer in number to the single seat crusaders due to cost and space issues, these Crusaders operated in pairs, sometimes with escort from accompanying VF-8A/C/Es when the situation warranted it. The VF-8B/D/F fulfilled a number of important roles including close air support for TSF forces, taking out Fort Class BETA quickly and long range elimination of Laser Class BETA. It should be noted that the VF-8B/D/F is almost as agile as its single seat counterpart, especially once it has dropped its air-ground weaponry.

A typical Crusader squadron typically consists of twelve VTFs. Unlike a TSF unit, their combat doctrine emphasizes on flexibility and speed instead of structured formations for defense. As such, they employ loose formations that can quickly break up into individual elements and rely on aggressive moves to control the flow of battle. The finger four is a common formation Crusader squadrons employ. Crusaders never fly alone though, and they always travel in pairs at minimum.

The Crusader also was famous for routinely engaging rouge/hostile VTFs in old-school dogfights. Crusader pilots had many clashes with other VTF and TSFs from various terrorist groups and other hostile clandestine units. In particular, the VF-8 had something of a ‘rivalry’ with the Soviet made Su-51 Feniks, and the battles between the USS John F Kennedy’s air wing with an unidentified Soviet Black ops group are the stuff of legend. It was these incidents that eventually gave the Crusader the nickname 'The last dogfighter', and made it so loved throughout the US Navy and beyond.

Other Notes:

The Cursader is a mix between the latest generation VF concepts from 2061 and technologies available in 2001. Technologies such as the PPB and design concepts such as internal missile bays were integrated into that appeared outwardly to be a VF-0 Phoenix air-frame. This odd mishmash of design concepts has resulted in a machine that has atmospheric performance comparable to the VF-5000 Star Mirage, well above what Valkyrie of its generation and limitations should be capable of. This proved to the the key to it's success, and the success of the VTF platform in general.

While the Crusader is mostly associated with the US Navy and is most often seen on Enterprise-Refit Class Carriers, it also used extensively by the USMC. Later, when the Independent States Allied Force was extablished, the Crusader, along with the F-35B Lightning II, became deeply associated with the multi-national peacekeeping force as well. A variant of the VF-8 was also manufactured on license by Misthishi Industries known as the Type-03 Hayabusa, used as the primary VTF of the Japanese Self Defence Force.

While the Crusader was eventually succeeded by the Valkyrja, the large numbers of Crusaders produced during 2003 the allowed the Crusader to remain relevant throughout the war even though it was vastly inferior to the Valkyrja.

The next one is going to be the Over Eagle that was briefly touched on in Try Again.

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

Probably best if Yui's friends don't show up until Yui's already been at Yukon base for a while. Maybe they've come to assist with the next phase of testing. That way they can be shocked by the fact that Yui has fallen for a guy. Also, no reason they all need to help try to get them together. After all, some of them might not approve of Yuuya, and Episode 19 indicated that Yui herself is a bit of a chick manget.

At any rate, I approve of the general concept. Someone write this!

Good point: Isumi and Shimako would be all too happy that Yui has fallen head over heels for this handsome man, but I am now seeing Kazuza and Aki being the ‘over-protective best friends from hell’. I can just see it now: Yui will be having to talk down overzealous BFFs who think that it’s ‘high time Yui get married and settled down’… or something to that effect. Meanwhile, Yuuya will be undergoing a trial that would make what Greg Focker went through look absolutely tame.

What the hell, let’s just take this idea, add some more harem comedy and the rule of funny and hit frappe. Sandeck is convinced Yuuya is the perfect gene donor for his super soldier project and is actively trying to get Cryska to seduce him. Yifei is takes Chinese waifu to a whole new level and will be trying to drag Yuuya to the altar any chance she gets. Natalie is the conflicted spy girl stereotype who has fallen head over heels with Yuuya and will find ‘redemption through the power of love’. Sharon is the desperate ex-girlfriend who has finally seen the light and wants Yuuya back in her life. Yui is the first girl who has to deal with her friends and family interfering with her love life. Yuuya’s only island of sanity in these hostile waters is Argos Flight, and even that starts sinking when little midget Tarisa (previously the person he’d mentally labeled as #1 bro and the only female he can possibly be safe around) decides she wants to get in his pants as well.

And Orson will be filming the entire thing for posterity. Huzzah.

Man, that would really turn TE into Infinite Stratos. It’s too bad I suck at rom com, or I really would write this just for the heck of it..

[John117xCortana]

What no Stella love ?

[sasahar17]

Originally Posted by John117xCortana

What no Stella love ?

Do you think Yuuya needs some Stella love?

[John117xCortana]

It would take away his last island of sanity. So yes.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

I was told a while ago that I could put on any world building snippets for MLYRL I made on this thread. Well, this here is the first one.

Spoiler for VF-8 Crusader II Writeup:

Stonewell/Bellcom VF-8 Crusader II

The most abundant VTF model seen during the BETA war, the VF-8 Crusader II (hereforth ‘Crusader’) is the backbone of the UN Army, US Navy and USMC’s VTF fleet. The VF-8 would eventually gain a near legendary reputation as the iconic VTF of the war, gaining the moniker ‘the last dogfighter’ after repeated clashes with the Soviet Su-51s Feniks in the Pacific.

Background

While the Crusader wasn’t the first production VTF seen by mankind’s armies (that honor would go to the EF-2002 Dragoon, first fielded by the Luftwaffe and RAF), it is the first VTF to be used like an actual Valkyrie. Whereas the Luftwaffe used their Dragoons as ‘mobile TSFs’ that would proceed to a combat area using Fighter mode and execute their mission in Gerwalk and Battroid modes (hence the name), the US Navy viewed the VF-8 as an entirely new weapons platform and treated it as such.

History

During the Battle of Lyons in January 2002, the German Army’s 44th Battalion and Project Valkyire’s Argos Flight used 12 VTF-0(2) to devastating effect when they laid siege to the Lyon Hive. Onlookers from the USS America and USS Enterprise participating in the operation were awed by the effectiveness of the VTFs in annihilating scores of Lux and Magnus Lux BETA in short periods of time. Combined with the ease of which the original two VTF-0(2)s disposed of the RLF F-16 and MiG29 TSFs during the Red Shift incident, US came to a realization that they needed their own VTF forces to remain relevant in the changing landscape of warfare. It was the US Navy who decided to take the first step.

For morale purposes, the Stonewell-Bellcom VF-8 Crusader II was named after the Vaughn F-8 Crusader fighter plane, the last carrier based fighter that was used by the US Navy before being supplanted by TSFs. Due to the fact that the US Navy wanted to keep up with the EU, who had by this point started introducing the EF-2202 Dragoons into their armed forces, the first Crusaders were almost carbon copies of the VTF-0(3) developmental machines from Project Valkyrie. Using parts from F-14D and F-16C TSFs to cut down on build times, the success of the VF-8A/B models eventually lead to a dedicated production line using specifically fabricated parts. Production never really did meet the high demand from the US Navy and Marines throughout the war and the VF-8 was eventually superseded by the superior and more cost effective VF-12 Valkyrja in early 2004. Even so, the Crusader was a legend in its own time, and many die hard Crusader pilots instead opted to upgrade their Crusaders to the E/F models instead of transfer over to the Valkyrja.

One curious thing about the VF-8 line is their non-stealthy radar profile, an oddity considering most VTFs were designed with a low radar profile. This was actually a deliberate design choice that came about due to a request to Project Valkyrie from the US Naval command. After the recent public relations debacles arising from the F-22A and Red Shift, the US Navy wanted to show the world it was dedicated to fighting the BETA instead of putting America's interests first. They requested Project Valkyrie’s lead engineer, Vincent Lowell, to increase the VF-8's radar profile to make it very clear to the international stage that the US Navy's line VTF wasn't a weapon designed to battle other humans. Unfortunately, the VF-8's performance during Blue Flag ‘02 still garnered the reputation the US Navy was trying so hard to avoid from some nations, notably COSEAN and certain elements in Imperial Japan (namely the IRG). Fortunately, many other nations found this unwarranted criticism ridiculous (including the IJA, MEC and the EU), and the VF-8’s effectiveness against the BETA eventually silenced its naysers.

Variants

VF-8A/B: Single-seat (VF-8A) and Dual-seat (VF-8B) variants built using components from retiring F-14Ds. The VF-8A, intended as a multi-role quick response fighter, used a variable sweep wings while the VF-8B, a fighter-bomber used delta wings for additional stability. Typical armament as of introduction consists of a 36mm tri-barreled gun-pod with adjustable ROF with internal feed of 600 rounds, two internal missile bays capable of holding mixed load-outs of missiles, four hard points on the wings for additional weapons and two head mounted chemical laser cannons for short ranged defense. Defensive systems include PPB and ECA systems. Maximum speed for the VF-8A is Mach 2.72 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. Only around 36 of these were constructed (24 VF-8As and 12 VF-8Bs) as they were intended as a 'test' to see how well a VTF would function by US Navy and US Marine Corp before they committed themselves to the VTF program.

VF-8C/D: Using components from F-15Es instead of F-14D to save on factory production lines, the VF-8C (single seat, variable sweep) and VF-8D (dual seat, delta wing) were simply upgraded versions of the A/B series. Improvements included the addition of a 'bullet-proof buckler' on the left forearm that also stored additional magazines for the gunpod, and improved engines that allowed for super-cruise. Typical armament consisted of a 36mm tri-barreled gun-pod with adjustable ROF fed through a removable box magazine with 800 rounds (two additional magazines stored in buckler), two internal missile bays capable of holding mixed load-out of missiles, four hard points on the wings for additional weapons and two head mounted chemical laser cannons for short ranged defense. The VF-8D, now moving more into it’s role as fighter-bomber, also had two over wing hard points and two fuselage hard points, giving it significantly more armament than its single seat counterpart. Defensive systems include a significantly strengthened PPB and ECA systems. Maximum speed for the VF-8C is Mach 2.98 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. Over 100 VF-8C/Ds were produced by Stonewell and Boening during the year 2003.

VF-8E/F (Super Crusader): Introduced late into the war, this final variant was made using nothing but specifically fabricated parts as opposed to components from TSFs. The VF-8E (single seat, variable sweep) and VF-8F (dual seat, delta wing) were the most powerful variants of the Crusader. Only slightly improved from the VF-8C/D, the E/F also introduced the Howard EMR-03 10mm Coilgun to the VF-8 series. This was significant as the EMR-03 was a weapon that allowed the VF-8 to have a primary gun-pod that could have ammunition counts similar to a TSF's assault cannon (1500 pellets and two spare magazines). The VF-8E could also mount a 'Paladin' Supplementary Armament Package, a module that gave the VF-8E additional armor and weapons but sacrificed speed and agility. Maximum speed for the VF-8E is Mach 3.1 at 30,000ft. Service ceiling 85,000 ft. In addition to the surviving VF-8C/Ds that were upgraded to E/Fs, around 24 more of these were built before Operation Babylon.

Operational Usage

The single seat VF-8A/C/E are normally employed as fast hunter killers and quick response units. Multiple Crusaders would operate together in teams of four to achieve this. These Crusaders were used to pick apart large Destroyer charges from their unarmored backs, taking out isolated and vulnerable pockets of BETA and other targets of opportunity, jumping into situations as emergency reinforcements and, most importantly, elimination of Laser Class BETA.

The two seat VF-8B/D/F were dedicated bombers and interceptors, carrying large amounts of explosive ordinance to execute its missions. Fewer in number to the single seat crusaders due to cost and space issues, these Crusaders operated in pairs, sometimes with escort from accompanying VF-8A/C/Es when the situation warranted it. The VF-8B/D/F fulfilled a number of important roles including close air support for TSF forces, taking out Fort Class BETA quickly and long range elimination of Laser Class BETA. It should be noted that the VF-8B/D/F is almost as agile as its single seat counterpart, especially once it has dropped its air-ground weaponry.

A typical Crusader squadron typically consists of twelve VTFs. Unlike a TSF unit, their combat doctrine emphasizes on flexibility and speed instead of structured formations for defense. As such, they employ loose formations that can quickly break up into individual elements and rely on aggressive moves to control the flow of battle. The finger four is a common formation Crusader squadrons employ. Crusaders never fly alone though, and they always travel in pairs at minimum.

The Crusader also was famous for routinely engaging rouge/hostile VTFs in old-school dogfights. Crusader pilots had many clashes with other VTF and TSFs from various terrorist groups and other hostile clandestine units. In particular, the VF-8 had something of a ‘rivalry’ with the Soviet made Su-51 Feniks, and the battles between the USS John F Kennedy’s air wing with an unidentified Soviet Black ops group are the stuff of legend. It was these incidents that eventually gave the Crusader the nickname 'The last dogfighter', and made it so loved throughout the US Navy and beyond.

Other Notes:

The Cursader is a mix between the latest generation VF concepts and technologies available in 2001. Technologies such as the PPB and design concepts such as internal missile bays were integrated into that appeared to be a VF-0 Phoenix air-frame. This odd mishmash of design concepts has resulted in a machine that has atmospheric performance comparable to the VF-5000 Star Mirage, well above what Valkyrie of its generation and limitations should be capable of.

While the Crusader is mostly associated with the US Navy and is most often seen on Enterprise-Refit Class Carriers, it also sees much use with the USMC's air wings. The VF-8 was also manufactured on license by Mitsurgi Industries as the Type-03 Hayabusa for the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy (note that the Imperial Royal Guard chose not to use the VF-8 derivative, believing it to be cowardly as it lacked any sort of close combat weapon outside of the famous 'PPB haymaker').

While the Crusader was eventually succeeded by the VF-12 Valkyrja, the large numbers of Crusaders produced during 2003 the allowed the Crusader to remain relevant throughout the war even though it was vastly inferior to the Valkyrja.

The next one is going to be the Over Eagle that was briefly touched on in Try Again.


Good point: Isumi and Shimako would be all too happy that Yui has fallen head over heels for this handsome man, but I am now seeing Kazuza and Aki being the ‘over-protective best friends from hell’. I can just see it now: Yui will be having to talk down overzealous BFFs who think that it’s ‘high time Yui get married and settled down’… or something to that effect. Meanwhile, Yuuya will be undergoing a trial that would make what Greg Focker went through look absolutely tame.

What the hell, let’s just take this idea, add some more harem comedy and the rule of funny and hit frappe. Sandeck is convinced Yuuya is the perfect gene donor for his super soldier project and is actively trying to get Cryska to seduce him. Yifei is takes Chinese waifu to a whole new level and will be trying to drag Yuuya to the altar any chance she gets. Natalie is the conflicted spy girl stereotype who has fallen head over heels with Yuuya and will find ‘redemption through the power of love’. Sharon is the desperate ex-girlfriend who has finally seen the light and wants Yuuya back in her life. Yui is the first girl who has to deal with her friends and family interfering with her love life. Yuuya’s only island of sanity in these hostile waters is Argos Flight, and even that starts sinking when little midget Tarisa (previously the person he’d mentally labeled as #1 bro and the only female he can possibly be safe around) decides she wants to get in his pants as well.

And Orson will be filming the entire thing for posterity. Huzzah.

Man, that would really turn TE into Infinite Stratos. It’s too bad I suck at rom com, or I really would write this just for the heck of it.

Take my credit card and do it!

PS: Needs more harem. Add Mother Russia, her daughter and STELLLAAAA!!

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

I was told a while ago that I could put on any world building snippets for MLYRL I made on this thread. Well, this here is the first one.

*snip*

XD XD XD

And that just inspired me to put out something:

Spoiler for Garuda Wings: Evaluation:

The VF-8 Crusader II is a potent weapon. With its three-phase transformation, it can adapt to any combat environment. Possessing greater speed and maneuverability than a conventional TSF, it can dictate the terms of the fight, as was seen in combat exercises during Blue Flag '02. While the Battroid mode is not as adept at close quarters combat, that is a weakness that is easily overcome by breaking contact and returning at a more favorable angle of attack. It is a true jack-of-all-trades aircraft, able to perform every role demanded of a TSF, and then some...

... the VF-8 lends itself easily to the laserjagd role, or "Wild Weasel", as the US Navy's aviators term their mission. Lasers strike at the speed of light, but even a Magnus Lux must first acquire its target before firing. The survivability afforded by the Pin-Point Barrier system and the speed and agility of the VF-8 give it a not-insignificant edge in the suppression of enemy air defenses. However, the qualities that make the Crusader a superb hunter-killer - speed, agility, payload - are also qualities that make it an extremely effective anti-TSF weapon, as Blue Flag demonstrated. The author was privileged to observe several exercises in which US Navy Crusaders were pitted against UN test flights; despite being non-stealthy designs, and Battroid mode being less capable and maneuverable in close quarters, Lt. Fokker's Skull Flight easily defeated their opponents, taking full advantage of their VTF's strengths to compensate for their weaknesses...

...the Crusader's defenses are near-perfect; it has the same basic defense of speed and manuver that all TSFs rely on. Armoring is greatly reduced in comparison to a conventional TSF, but this is counteracted for by the employment of the Pin-Point Barrier system and Energy Converting Armor. The former is a regenerating energy shield that intercepts attacks, and is capable of absorbing fire from Laser-class BETA in limited quantities; it is hardly stressed with receiving incoming fire from a 36mm assault cannot. The Energy Converting Armor likewise ably protects the Crusader; while the exact limits of this system are not known (the Navy and Project Valkyrie keeping such details close to home), the level of protection is presumably equal or greater to current armoring measures employed on 2nd Generation TSFs...

...In terms of combat endurance, certain inferences can be drawn; the magazine for the Crusader's 3-barrel gunpod holds 800 rounds of caseless 36mm, and the Crusader carries two spare magazines. A maximum loadout for the Strike Eagle, for example, would be in the region of twelve (12) magazines of 2000 rounds, or 24000 rounds of 36mm. This would by default render the Crusader ill-suited for Hive Infiltration missions; the Crusader is more of a stiletto blade, while TSFs are greatswords. Furthermore, the Crusader is the next generation of tactical fighter, and thus requires the next generation of mechanic - this is a machine that appears ill-suited for the realities of operation from forward bases, such as the South Thailand front, particularly in regions where highly skilled personnel are at a premium. This is, obviously, not an issue with the United States Navy, the primary operator of the Crusader, as this is a nation with a strong educational base, with highly skilled personnel, and close to a century of institutional experience in naval aviation...

...the author believes that even the Raptor, Takemikazuchi and the Berkut, the strongest 3rd Generation TSFs, would have great difficulty in defeating the Crusader, and this is before we consider that Crusader pilots train to a high level of teamwork that is rarely seen in standard TSF squadrons: Crusaders are not four pilots working together, but four fingers of a single fist. In the author's experience, such level of teamwork is rarely seen in COSEAN forces, with the exception of some elite units...

...in conclusion, the VF-8 Crusader is a powerful new weapon in American hands, and promises to bring a new revolution in warfare; operating in concert, a force of TSFs with VTF support would be near-invincible, particularly once Wild Weasel missions have been successfully executed, allowing greater freedom of movement. At the same time, the phenomenal performance of the Crusader in anti-TSF combat has unfortunate implications for the regional strategic balance, as it is all but guaranteed that the Crusader will eventually deploy to Yankee Station and the Far East region...

-Excerpt from "VF-8 Crusader II: Observations and Performance Evaluation", by 1st Lt. John Davis. Reprinted with the permission of the Royal Malaysian Air Force and the Malaysian Ministry of Defence.

1st Lt. John Davis enlisted into the Royal Malaysian Air Force in 1991 and was commissioned through OCS in the same year. He has served in various TSF squadrons throughout his career, with over 2000 flight hours, and was among the cadre for the formation of No.18 Squadron, the first F-18 Hornet squadron in COSEAN. He is currently serving as the Commanding Officer of COSEAN's Garuda Test Flight, under Project PROMINENCE, UN 3rd Army, a position he took up in 2000.

* * * * *

"COSEAN officials today denounced the US Navy's newest fighter, the VF-8 Crusader II. COSEAN officials claim that the Crusader is intended to serve as an anti-TSF weapon, pointing out that it lacks the combat endurance and payload of conventional TSFs, it's phenomenal performance in this year's Blue Flag exercises, and that it has been evaluated as a factor that could destabilize the Far East region..."[/I] - CNN

"The Imperial Japanese government views with concern the development of the Variable Tactical Fighter. This is a weapon which is not mean to kill BETA. Unlike our Takemikazuchi, it carries an absurdly low amount of ammunition - not even achieving the basic load of a Japanese TSF - and lacks the combat endurance to hold ground and fight to the last breath. This is a weapon referred to as a stiletto blade by a distinguished and expert evaluator: a blade meant for backstabbing, not for direct combat..." - Imperial Japan spokesman

"I see this as more proof that the Americans aren't interested in actually fighting the BETA. What's the use of a TSF that doesn't carry enough ammo? Also, the lack of melee weapons does not sit well with me. A TSF that doesn't carry a blade is a TSF that doesn't plan to stay and fight." - Imperial Royal Guard officer.

* * * * *

0700 hours local

John Davis turned on his lights, sat behind his desk, and smiled contentedly. Looking through his battered and worn organiser, his smile grew as he confirmed that, for the first time in a long time, his day was essentially clear. Everything urgent had been taken clear of, his to-do pile was all done... all that was really left to do was observe a flight sortie by his girls, debrief them... and then he'd probably let everyone go home early. In fact, they had the weekend off - perhaps he ought to arrange something? A cookout, maybe; it'd been too long since he'd had a proper barbeque: where the barbeque pit was an oil drum cut in half, where it was done under the stars behind the hangars, where the pilots and maintennance crews all got together to eat, drink and be merry...

And then the phone rang.

Still in his good mood, he lifted the phone. "Good Morning, Garuda Test Flight, Lt. Davis speaking."

"What the hell did you write?!" demanded a voice, and John winced as he pulled the receiver from his ear.

"Yuuya, it's far too early for all of this shouting. Especially when it's from someone I outrank."

"Check your newsfeeds. COSEAN and Imperial Japan are denouncing the Crusader. And they're using a report written by you to do it."

"What?!"

"Don't bullshit me. We trusted you. We thought you were a friend. You promised Yui you'd help her if you could. And you turn around and you screw us over!"

"What the hell! What're they saying?"

"That your evaluation states that the Crusader's an anti-TSF weapon, and that it'll destabilise the region."

"...well, that's partially true," admitted John. "But I think I've been taken out of context. Check your mail - I sent two copies of that report to Dover. I was ordered to do an evaluation of the Crusader and I did write an honest evaluation. No holds barred, the good and the bad. That's how I am. You know me."

"I'll reserve judgement until I read your report," said a cold voice, coming over the line, and John winced again.

"Good morning, Yui-"

"That's Captain Takamura to you, First Lieutenant Davis. And you can forget about that Argos-Garuda exchange you were asking about."

There was a gentle click, oddly incongruous with how angry Yui was, and Yuuya sighed.

"Yeah, she's pretty pissed off right now. As am I. You'd better lie low for a couple of days."

"Thank you for the warning, Yuuya. Again, please read the report that I sent you."

Replacing the phone in its cradle, John buried his face in his hands, his good mood completely destroyed.

Uh... yeah.

Good point: Isumi and Shimako would be all too happy that Yui has fallen head over heels for this handsome man, but I am now seeing Kazuza and Aki being the ‘over-protective best friends from hell’. I can just see it now: Yui will be having to talk down overzealous BFFs who think that it’s ‘high time Yui get married and settled down’… or something to that effect. Meanwhile, Yuuya will be undergoing a trial that would make what Greg Focker went through look absolutely tame.

What the hell, let’s just take this idea, add some more harem comedy and the rule of funny and hit frappe. Sandeck is convinced Yuuya is the perfect gene donor for his super soldier project and is actively trying to get Cryska to seduce him. Yifei is takes Chinese waifu to a whole new level and will be trying to drag Yuuya to the altar any chance she gets. Natalie is the conflicted spy girl stereotype who has fallen head over heels with Yuuya and will find ‘redemption through the power of love’. Sharon is the desperate ex-girlfriend who has finally seen the light and wants Yuuya back in her life. Yui is the first girl who has to deal with her friends and family interfering with her love life. Yuuya’s only island of sanity in these hostile waters is Argos Flight, and even that starts sinking when little midget Tarisa (previously the person he’d mentally labeled as #1 bro and the only female he can possibly be safe around) decides she wants to get in his pants as well.

And Orson will be filming the entire thing for posterity. Huzzah.

Man, that would really turn TE into Infinite Stratos. It’s too bad I suck at rom com, or I really would write this just for the heck of it.

....FUND IT.

Though this is just me but I thought there was something going on between Tarisa and VG? Then again, I'm doubtful how much sanity there will be in Argos Flight, given that Tarisa now wants to get into his pants and VG will probably kick back with Vincent, and observe the lulz from behind a nice tall glass of beer. (Argos Bridge Bunnies optional.)

But I think we should keep Sharon away from it all. From how she was portrayed in TE, I get the impression that their breakup was partially because Yuuya was such a jackass, and she's since then moved on. She's made her bed with Leon, and she's sleeping in it.

Also, Stella fits as the older sister/team mom who gives advice to everyone that, on the whole, works out a LOT better than Yui's friends.

[sasahar17]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

XD XD XD

And that just inspired me to put out something:

Spoiler for Garuda Wings: Evaluation:

Snippet

Whoa. You actually wrote it, and it is glorious! Poor Davies, he just can't win. And you mentioned Roy and the Jolly Rodgers/Skull Squadron! Yayfications!

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

PS: Needs more harem. Add Mother Russia, her daughter and STELLLAAAA!!

I can see it now, Mother Russia being the contender for Yuuya’s heart and her adopted children, all her adopted children, trying to set up their hot single mom with this nice young man.

Someone shoot me, this is so wrong but I just can't stop.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Take my credit card and do it!

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

....FUND IT.

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

At any rate, I approve of the general concept. Someone write this!

Is it really that attractive of an idea?

BTW, I can see how it’s all going to end now. The seven or so contenders for Yuuya’s heart all have their respective plans crash into each other horribly, and nobody gets to have hot lovin with Top Gun. And just as they’re all dragging themselves back to base, defeated and downcast, they run into the A-01 Valkyries who are staring at open mouthed at this little café across the road. The defeated harem turns to look…

“Jinguuji-sensei was seen eating with another man (guess which man)!”

Dark horse victory for the win.

[MitchelJohn]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

Good point: Isumi and Shimako would be all too happy that Yui has fallen head over heels for this handsome man, but I am now seeing Kazuza and Aki being the ‘over-protective best friends from hell’. I can just see it now: Yui will be having to talk down overzealous BFFs who think that it’s ‘high time Yui get married and settled down’… or something to that effect. Meanwhile, Yuuya will be undergoing a trial that would make what Greg Focker went through look absolutely tame.

What the hell, let’s just take this idea, add some more harem comedy and the rule of funny and hit frappe. Sandeck is convinced Yuuya is the perfect gene donor for his super soldier project and is actively trying to get Cryska to seduce him. Yifei is takes Chinese waifu to a whole new level and will be trying to drag Yuuya to the altar any chance she gets. Natalie is the conflicted spy girl stereotype who has fallen head over heels with Yuuya and will find ‘redemption through the power of love’. Sharon is the desperate ex-girlfriend who has finally seen the light and wants Yuuya back in her life. Yui is the first girl who has to deal with her friends and family interfering with her love life. Yuuya’s only island of sanity in these hostile waters is Argos Flight, and even that starts sinking when little midget Tarisa (previously the person he’d mentally labeled as #1 bro and the only female he can possibly be safe around) decides she wants to get in his pants as well.

And Orson will be filming the entire thing for posterity. Huzzah.

Man, that would really turn TE into Infinite Stratos. It’s too bad I suck at rom com, or I really would write this just for the heck of it.

Here , take my platinum credit card make it happen! :U

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

Whoa. You actually wrote it, and it is glorious! Poor Davies, he just can't win. And you mentioned Roy and the Jolly Rodgers/Skull Squadron! Yayfications!

What can I say, the muse and inspiration suddenly struck. Except that I was supposed to do other work, and now I'm kinda behind in my prep, lol.

I can see it now, Mother Russia being the contender for Yuuya’s heart and her adopted children, all her adopted children, trying to set up their hot single mom with this nice young man.

Someone shoot me, this is so wrong but I just can't stop.

Alternately, and I think this is more lulz, but what if Mother Russia actually has no romantic intentions towards Yuuya, but just wants to adopt him.

However, all her adopted children misunderstand their intentions, and think he's trying to steal her away from them (hence Tasha being all tearful in canon), so they try and sabotage him.

So while Yuuya and Latrova view each other as nothing more than surrogate parent and child, of sorts, Zhar's enmity towards him knows no bounds...

Is it really that attractive of an idea?

I think we're all needing some lulz. *shrug* The Jelly wiki page was pretty popular for a reason.

BTW, I can see how it’s all going to end now. The seven or so contenders for Yuuya’s heart all have their respective plans crash into each other horribly, and nobody gets to have hot lovin with Top Gun. And just as they’re all dragging themselves back to base, defeated and downcast, they run into the A-01 Valkyries who are staring at open mouthed at this little café across the road. The defeated harem turns to look…

“Jinguuji-sensei was seen eating with another man (guess which man)!”

Dark horse victory for the win.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, go with this end. XD

[sasahar17]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Alternately, and I think this is more lulz, but what if Mother Russia actually has no romantic intentions towards Yuuya, but just wants to adopt him.

However, all her adopted children misunderstand their intentions, and think he's trying to steal her away from them (hence Tasha being all tearful in canon), so they try and sabotage him.

So while Yuuya and Latrova view each other as nothing more than surrogate parent and child, of sorts, Zhar's enmity towards him knows no bounds...

This is so much better. I am now imagining Zhar as a whole bunch of little green goblins stalking Yuuya like stereotypical minions of evil from a Saturday morning cartoon show. Every time he turns around they hide in silly ways (like in a dustbin in bushes, behind a stop-sign, etc.), and true to form he brushes them off. Then there's the evil little cackle when their nefarious pilot starts coming together...

All Yuuya did was visit the Latrova once for relationship advice, and for that he forever earned the enmity of the step-children from hell.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Yes, go with this end. XD

Well so we have an ending, but what about the middle? What set of the collision of plans? Personally I'll say to heck with the timeline and continuity and make it Valentines day, which each member of the harem trying to get Yuuya their homemade chocolates.... except this being a comedy there are some oddities.

Some of the gift chocolates are not normal. Cryska's chocolates are laced with a brainwashing love potion courtesy of the USSR's R&D division (Cryska naturally feeds them to the wrong person and chaos ensures). Yifei's chocolates are curry flavored, and her taste testers know it's essentially weaponized curry in chocolate form. Not sure what the others will use, so that's up for suggestions.

And then their plans to deliver the chocolates are outlandish as well. Kidnapping, use of the KGB, blackmail, inappropriate use of military resources... and of course while all this is going on at it, Yuuya's going about preparing for his date with Marimo like the clueless harem protagonist he is.

Well, lets see some discussion. I want to see what kind of crazy plots we can come up with.

[John117xCortana]

It's just sad how politicians would twist an honest report into something totally negative. It's expected. But it's still sad.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

BTW, I can see how it’s all going to end now. The seven or so contenders for Yuuya’s heart all have their respective plans crash into each other horribly, and nobody gets to have hot lovin with Top Gun. And just as they’re all dragging themselves back to base, defeated and downcast, they run into the A-01 Valkyries who are staring at open mouthed at this little café across the road. The defeated harem turns to look…

“Jinguuji-sensei was seen eating with another man (guess which man)!”

Dark horse victory for the win.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, go with this end. XD

Originally Posted by sasahar17

And then their plans to deliver the chocolates are outlandish as well. Kidnapping, use of the KGB, blackmail, inappropriate use of military resources... and of course while all this is going on at it, Yuuya's going about preparing for his date with Marimo like the clueless harem protagonist he is.

Well, lets see some discussion. I want to see what kind of crazy plots we can come up with.

Wait. How on earth did Marimo get a date with Yuuya? This needs an explanation!

Anyway, sasahar17 once asked for a fanfic of what would happen if the coup succeeded. After some thinking, here's my idea of that fanfic.

Spoiler for Fanfic idea:

The story begins with Meiya becoming the new Shogun after being crowned by the coup forces led by Sagiri and Ikaruga. Meiya didn't want this but was forced to after what happened during a battle between the UN/US/Loyalist forces and Coup forces. Yuuhi was supposedly killed after her transport was accidentally shoot by friendly forces. Meiya is distraught that she couldn't protect her sister. However, she knows she must do something to stop the fighting or else the coup forces will use Yuuhi's death as justification that the foreigners shouldn't be trusted which will lead to more bloodshed.

Meiya manages to stop the fighting and begs Sagiri's forces to stop fighting in exchange she will do what they say about expelling the UN/US forces. Ikaruga uses this moment to betray his UN/US allies when his forces turn on them. Due to being mysteriously under supplied and lack of reinforcements, the US/UN are forced to comply. In exchange for safety for all the UN/US forces, Ikaruga orders them to leave Japan and never return or they will launch nuclear weapons they stole from the US.

One of these UN units that are exiled are Takeru and the rest of his squad including Yuuko. Takeru wants to continue fighting but is convinced by Meiya to just go since she doesn't want to see her friends being killed. As the coup forces celebrate their victory over the foreigners, the CIA agents who planned the coup wonders how did their plan to gain more influence in Japan went wrong.

Unknown to the CIA and coup forces, the coup succeeded due to Ikaruga getting help from the CIA, European division. CIA Europe, not liking that their fellow agents in Japan were getting more funding from the government, secretly made an alliance with Ikaruga where they will help him make the coup succeed by sabotaging CIA Japan efforts to stop them. With Japan no longer under US influence, the government will now focus in funding CIA Europe operations or so what Ikaruga thinks. What Ikaruga doesn't realize, CIA Europe plans to betray him by corrupting the coup forces that they will be so arrogant and tyrannic, the people of Japan will rise against them which will then lead to CIA Europe to send forces under their influence to liberate Japan from their tyrannical oppressors. Not only will this ensure Japan will be fully under US influence but CIA Europe will get credit for subduing Ikaruga and the coup forces.

As predicted, the coup forces begin mistreating the people supposedly for not being loyal to the new regime. When the coup forces confiscate food meant for civilians for themselves, the people, having enough, begin to rise up against them. Meanwhile, there is tension between Sagiri and Ikaruga with the former wishing they should send all of their forces to fight the BETA while the latter is focusing on rebuilding and maintaining their power. Just as their relationship deteriorates to the point of civil war, the world gets a nasty surprise when a large BETA horde is detected heading towards Japan.

I'll try to continue in the next post.

[Darthtabby]

Originally Posted by sasahar17

This is so much better. I am now imagining Zhar as a whole bunch of little green goblins stalking Yuuya like stereotypical minions of evil from a Saturday morning cartoon show. Every time he turns around they hide in silly ways (like in a dustbin in bushes, behind a stop-sign, etc.), and true to form he brushes them off. Then there's the evil little cackle when their nefarious pilot starts coming together...

All Yuuya did was visit the Latrova once for relationship advice, and for that he forever earned the enmity of the step-children from hell.


Well so we have an ending, but what about the middle? What set of the collision of plans? Personally I'll say to heck with the timeline and continuity and make it Valentines day, which each member of the harem trying to get Yuuya their homemade chocolates.... except this being a comedy there are some oddities.

Some of the gift chocolates are not normal. Cryska's chocolates are laced with a brainwashing love potion courtesy of the USSR's R&D division (Cryska naturally feeds them to the wrong person and chaos ensures). Yifei's chocolates are curry flavored, and her taste testers know it's essentially weaponized curry in chocolate form. Not sure what the others will use, so that's up for suggestions.

And then their plans to deliver the chocolates are outlandish as well. Kidnapping, use of the KGB, blackmail, inappropriate use of military resources... and of course while all this is going on at it, Yuuya's going about preparing for his date with Marimo like the clueless harem protagonist he is.

Well, lets see some discussion. I want to see what kind of crazy plots we can come up with.

To be honest, I'd say keep it simple and focus on the original idea about Yui's friends showing up to meddle in her love life. Don't let the story get pulled in too many directions.

Then again, if none of us is actually writing this (since we don't seem to have any real rom-com experts among the group currently discussing the idea) and we're just tossing ideas back and forth we may as well go hog wild. How 'bout Yamashiro and the rest of the members who initially don't think Yuuya is worthy of Yui end up falling for him themselves while trying to make his life hell? Let's rekindle some of that old academy rivalry!

The Argos' bridge bunnies seem immune to the Bridges charm, but that's okay... they can complicated things by competing for the affection of an oblivious Yui.

[Wild Goose]

And then you've got the machine spirits in the hangar... the Type-00F being all a haughty ojousama who nontheless wonders what it's like to have that wild American ride her... the Shiranui being kuudere to Yuuya (or really, at this time, totally dere)...

...actually, reminds me of this amusing fanfiction: A Love with no Boundaries.