2012-11-04, 15:10 | Link #2081 |
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Obama focuses on turnout, Romney on Pennsylvania
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new...LoN/story.html
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2012-11-04, 16:49 | Link #2082 |
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Nate Silver had an interesting article yesterday.
Basically, Obama is favorite to win. And you need to assume the poll data is fundamentally wrong, and use very clever alternative means to think this is a toss up race. Nate projects Obama having an 85% chance to win.
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2012-11-04, 17:12 | Link #2083 | |
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Democrats Sue to Extend Florida’s Early Voting
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2012-11-04, 17:15 | Link #2084 |
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There's one thing which I find a little baffling when I see pictures from American poll stations.
Where do these endless lines come from? I mean, how many voters are assigned to each station, on the average? If I compare that to my German voting experiences: In Germany, you're actually supposed to vote with a card you receive in the mail, along with your ID. If you forget the card, but have an official photo ID (or passport or driving licence), you can still vote after they look you up in the registry. Without that, it's a no-go. But I can't remember any lines REMOTELY of the kinds I see in the news in the US. Is it the sheer amount, or is the procedure to vote so complicated? |
2012-11-04, 17:18 | Link #2085 | |
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2012-11-04, 17:20 | Link #2086 | |
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The procedure to vote is simple - walk up, point to your name in the registry, usually that's enough, have an electric bill, voter card, or ID of some kind. The "voter ID cards" have your picture in some states. Then you vote (then the machine fouls up, has to be rebooted and your one vote gets counted a thousand times for the wrong candidate, but I digress ). Of course, my state is completely vote-by-mail now, which works beautifully, I might add (though I'm sure there's the occasional household where one jackass tries to force the others to vote a certain way).
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2012-11-04, 17:35 | Link #2087 |
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Heh. Voting machines. It never ceases to amaze me that the fact is pretty much omitted in the MSM that those people who know about Computers the most are pretty much the most adamant AGAINST the use of electronic machines for election purposes.
The idea of having to trust what an electronic device barfs out without having independent people count and verify votes on paper feels so totally absurd... |
2012-11-04, 17:50 | Link #2088 | |
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Most electronic machines (in America) have a print out that the voter can see and verify before they officially cast their ballot. This leaves a definite paper trail that can then be analyzed later if there are any irregularities. |
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2012-11-04, 17:55 | Link #2089 | ||
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There have been repeated attempts to have the voting day be a holiday (my preference -- and on a Tuesday its less likely to become just another "3 day weekend") or at least on a weekend. It has been consistently fought against because ... frankly, as I characterized it, it is a passive vote suppression mechanism (anti-working class).
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2012-11-04, 18:32 | Link #2091 | |
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In my opinion, the very idea of electronic devices for elections needs to be explicitly forbidden by law, because of lack of transparency and risk of manipulation. Paper vote done via manual count monitored all the time by observers of the various parties and/or interested citizens. Oh, and election days should naturally be on sundays, for obvious reasons. Hilarious tidbit: Some Texan official was threatening OSCE observers with jail time should they appear at Texan polling stations. |
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2012-11-04, 18:35 | Link #2092 | |
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For example, NY State had mechanical machine booths that you would flip down a bunch of levers that were organized & laid out similar to a spread sheet. For some, you could just find the Democratic line, zip through the tiny levers all the way across in under 0.825 seconds, pull the final big lever to cast, and done. With the paper/machine scanner method, it takes a whole lot more time to complete the voting process. Most of it due to more time filling in the circles, weeding through the provided instructions, and fooling around with the paper ballot scanner machine after. If there is no table available to ink in the paper ballot, you have to wait for one to become available to you. Then at the end of the voting process, they give you a stupid sticker that says "I voted" for you to wear all day long. Only, it's usually a bunch of old ladies that run things, and I dread them slapping a "I Voted" sticker to on my backside when I go this week. In New Jersey, I think voting at the moment will probably consist of the color of the fireworks that are used. If it's blue, Obama. Red, for Romney. White, send more beer. |
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2012-11-04, 18:55 | Link #2094 | |
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On the other hand either making the election merged with Veterans day or declaring it a Federal Holiday (CA Secretary of State Deborah Bowen explained to me that elections are a logistics problem for Saturdays and Sunday has too much religious connotations to be viable as election dates) plus of course a standard election system would certainly be a much better use of state power to increase participation.
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2012-11-04, 19:01 | Link #2095 |
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I still find the older Scan-Tron style voting to be effective. While it does scan the votes electronically for fast processing, it also leaves a paper trail if things get squirrelly.
Can't say if it would be a probelm in a more populated area.
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2012-11-04, 21:06 | Link #2096 | |
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Also just out of curiosity and even though it's totally unrelated, what do the American posters here think of Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell. For someone who is so influential he sure doesn't seem to stand out too much and he doesn't really seem to fit in with the demagoguery of many of his peers in the house coming across almost as mild mannered and adjusted. Is he an example of a reasonable Republican in this day and age or does he just know how to duck unwanted attention while holding the congress hostage. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2012-11-04 at 21:23. |
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2012-11-04, 22:03 | Link #2097 | |
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He's a quiet behind the scenes guy.
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2012-11-04, 22:04 | Link #2098 | |
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2012-11-04, 23:46 | Link #2099 |
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Ryan says Obama compromises Judeo-Christian values
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8A404O20121105 Two questions should be ask: ''What values did he compromise ?'' and ''Didn't republican, especialy when GWB was in power, made even worse?'' .
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Paul Ryan and Romney are models for Judeo-Christian values though, what with cleaning already clean pots and pans at a soup kitchen which they weren't welcome to and loading some canned goods into a truck and saying it was for helping Hurricane Sandy victims in front of the cameras but 'shh', don't tell anyone that's not really the case...
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