(L) Kara No Kyokai

[Schneizel]

Screenshots + brief summary if anyone is interested.

Dunno how the rest of you guys feel about KnK's storytelling, but the mystery/drive in the plot of 1-3 that connected things together was murders around town, and

Spoiler for movie 4 spoilers:

4 has a break in this. It's not about some random murders but more of a character thing, and it also subverts the "everyone in this universe knows everyone else" by having Touko go to the hospital on purpose instead of it being some crazy ass coincidence that she's Shiki's therapist.

[Shiroth]

Thanks a lot for the summary/pictures. I'll be sure to give it a read once i've seen the fourth movie for myself. Don't want to go and spoil myself now. :3

[Sterling01]

The best part of part 4 was the return of the ice cream...
I wonder since they included "境界式" at the end of the movie, will the end of part 6 have the "Intermission - Lio" scene?

[Xakanis]

Spoiler for kara no kyoukai 4 ending:

What exactly did Araya do to Asagami? From what I see, she was holding her stomach, so she met him some time after she killed most of the group save one that was raping her. I'm thinking he lifted further restrictions on what she could do with her power, but I'm not sure, what do you other people think?

[Shiroth]

Spoiler for Movie 04:

Everything about this movie was 100% awesome. I just love how the very small conversation between Shiki and Mikiya at the end makes me smile so much.

The scenes with the spirits were shown with so much cooler, making it a rather trippy experience. Zombie guy was pretty decent, though was surrounding by far to much awesome in the ways of cigarette-magic Touka and cutting her hair Shiki.

Also you just gotta love the scenes shown near the beginning for the introduction of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

Preview for movie five just tops it all off. It looks bloody brilliant.

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by Xakanis

Spoiler for kara no kyoukai 4 ending:

What exactly did Araya do to Asagami? From what I see, she was holding her stomach, so she met him some time after she killed most of the group save one that was raping her. I'm thinking he lifted further restrictions on what she could do with her power, but I'm not sure, what do you other people think?

I think it's a flash back prior to episode 3 before all that happened.

[ClockWorkAngel]

Oh this time it was so short, 30 mins really wasn't enough :/. Good though.

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Xakanis

Spoiler for kara no kyoukai 4 ending:

What exactly did Araya do to Asagami? From what I see, she was holding her stomach, so she met him some time after she killed most of the group save one that was raping her. I'm thinking he lifted further restrictions on what she could do with her power, but I'm not sure, what do you other people think?

Spoiler for Novel explanation of scene:

Basically that happened right after one of the rapists hit her on the back of the neck with a baseball bat. In episode 3, they assumed that incident was what caused her to regain her ability to feel pain but it wasn't. She was just surprised by the weight of the bat but felt no actual pain at all. She had broken her backbone and was trying to figure out what to do when she ran into Araya.

[NakedAngelX]

So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?

Spoiler for 4:

It seems she already possess super natural eye with powers in movie 2, but now she just gained this power from the accident? Also with the 2 personality thing, didn't one of them die? The doctor also said she's alone. Just watched 15 minutes, i'll go back to it tomorrow morning hehe. Any spoiler or explanation would be appreciated xD

[Spags]

Originally Posted by NakedAngelX

Spoiler for 4:

It seems she already possess super natural eye with powers in movie 2, but now she just gained this power from the accident? Also with the 2 personality thing, didn't one of them die? The doctor also said she's alone. Just watched 15 minutes, i'll go back to it tomorrow morning hehe. Any spoiler or explanation would be appreciated xD

Spoiler for Answer:

Every human posses the ability to use the mystic eyes of death perception. The eyes are not really different set of eyes but are a circuit (possibly similar to a Magic Circuit) that opens up in the users brain and normal eyes, allowing them to "perceive death" in the form of lines and dots. The only way to acquire the eyes is by having a near-death experience. It is possible it has do with the user in question getting close to Akasha (the root of all things) due to this experience. However, this ability is extremely rare, to the point of being thought of being no more than a myth. Shiki was able to acquire the eyes through her experience of her comma, getting close to death itself (or Akasha however you would like to address it). In doing so she was able to understand the concept of death, and thus perceive death itself (basically the method described above through lines and dots), and yes one of her personalities died. That personality was SHIKI her male side, basically she threw Kokouto away (well this is my assumption it seems pretty obvious though) as the car was coming so he wouldn't die, hence the whole SHIKI died for a "reason" bit. (And if you didn't catch it from movie 2 it was SHIKI who was chasing and trying to kill Kokouto at the end)

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by NakedAngelX

So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?

Spoiler for 4:

It seems she already possess super natural eye with powers in movie 2, but now she just gained this power from the accident? Also with the 2 personality thing, didn't one of them die? The doctor also said she's alone. Just watched 15 minutes, i'll go back to it tomorrow morning hehe. Any spoiler or explanation would be appreciated xD

bit of clarification on the eye thing:

Spoiler for :

IIRC, Shiki had a natural mystic eye ability before getting the MEoDP. In the novel, Touko describes the ability as something along the lines of "seeing into the heart of everything."

[taelrak]

I've always wondered why Ryogi Shiki could control her eyes without the aid of any special glasses, whereas Tohno Shiki needs them. Also why Tohno Shiki's eyes would cause him to die in his teens, whereas Ryogi seems to be living just fine. As I recall, even without his half-shared-drained life, his extensive use of his eyes would destroy his brain relatively soon. Maybe it's because Ryogi's opponents aren't quite as strong as Tohnos and she doesn't have to strain her eyes as much (to see lines conceptually in things that are immortal (i.e. Arcueid's source of immortality)...?

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by NakedAngelX

So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?

The chronological order for the first five movies is: 2, 4, 3, 1, 5 !!!
From the 5th and onward, I think they are in chronological order, but I am not sure.

Anyway, again, excellent movie in all fields, animation, music, but especially script and its transfer to another medium! Now I can only hope with the release of Tsukihime (which is a rework of the original), it going to get a similar treatment.

[Spags]

Originally Posted by taelrak

I've always wondered why Ryogi Shiki could control her eyes without the aid of any special glasses, whereas Tohno Shiki needs them. Also why Tohno Shiki's eyes would cause him to die in his teens, whereas Ryogi seems to be living just fine. As I recall, even without his half-shared-drained life, his extensive use of his eyes would destroy his brain relatively soon. Maybe it's because Ryogi's opponents aren't quite as strong as Tohnos and she doesn't have to strain her eyes as much (to see lines conceptually in things that are immortal (i.e. Arcueid's source of immortality)...?

My personal take as to why Tohno eyes cause him strain because he doesn't accept them and therefore refuses them causing his mind to suffer, where as ryougi accepted the eyes and their power. Basically his death in his teens is caused from the mental strain of his eyes on his brain. Also note that ryogi's eyes possesses the ability to to perceive the death of life force and also the death of the existence of objects and concepts alike. At this level, it enables her to perceive and annihilate physical material, persons, diseases, ghosts, intentions, and even magecraft. Her eyes have proven a little more advance than Tohno's, (only because its never been stated or i might just not have read it that Tohno can kill concepts) but that's not a certainty.

Anyways if anyone's curious i get all my info on the Mystic Eyes from here. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mysti...ath_Perception

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Spags

My personal take as to why Tohno eyes cause him strain because he doesn't accept them and therefore refuses them causing his mind to suffer, where as ryougi accepted the eyes and their power. Basically his death in his teens is caused from the mental strain of his eyes on his brain. Also note that ryogi's eyes possesses the ability to to perceive the death of life force and also the death of the existence of objects and concepts alike. At this level, it enables her to perceive and annihilate physical material, persons, diseases, ghosts, intentions, and even magecraft. Her eyes have proven a little more advance than Tohno's, (only because its never been stated or i might just not have read it that Tohno can kill concepts) but that's not a certainty.

Anyways if anyone's curious i get all my info on the Mystic Eyes from here. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mysti...ath_Perception

In terms of displayed capabilities, Tohno's eyes were shown to have the power to destroy "higher order" objects and concepts such as poisons, infecting life forces, reality marbles, a being's cycle of reincarnation, and so on. So it's certainly not as if he can't do all the things Ryogi can with his eyes.

It's just that whenever he uses the more extreme capabilities of the eyes, his brain nearly breaks. As for why, well you'd have to ask Nasu, he seemed to acquire a taste for protagonists whose abilities could kill them.

[Klashikari]

Tohno can do the same, but trying to comprehend concepts and objets will most likely kill him (blood vessel being brusted).
There isn't anything related to "strong opponent" whatsoever, as Tohno was still suffering big time with lines and dots for inanimate object.

It seems the fact that Ryougi was in comatose state for 2 years (ptolonged near death experience), was a factor for her Magan.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Tohno can do the same, but trying to comprehend concepts and objets will most likely kill him (blood vessel being brusted).
There isn't anything related to "strong opponent" whatsoever, as Tohno was still suffering big time with lines and dots for inanimate object.

It seems the fact that Ryougi was in comatose state for 2 years (ptolonged near death experience), was a factor for her Magan.

well, and she was born with a mystic eye ability that involved understanding concepts, so Ryogi probably had the right "wiring" to begin with.

you know, kinda funny now that I think about it, the mystic eyes setting fits much more in KnK, with all its discussions of issues like perception and recognition, than it does in Tsukihime. Sort of odd that KnK came first. >_>

[Spags]

Thanks for the clarification ashlay and Klashikari, good to know I just love the whole concept behind the eyes.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by ashlay

you know, kinda funny now that I think about it, the mystic eyes setting fits much more in KnK, with all its discussions of issues like perception and recognition, than it does in Tsukihime. Sort of odd that KnK came first. >_>

I agree with you that it suits KnK better, though i like the broken down version and how dark the mood can change in Tsukihime when they're the main topic. It's good that they're the same technique, though so different in both shows.

Small question, it may be answered on the link that was posted though i'll ask it anyway. Is Shiki able to control when she sees the lines? Probably not, though that's just the feeling i get with the fact that her eyes basically turn on and off when she chooses. Something probably not apart of the original novel as much as these movies.

[Spags]

I believe she only sees the lines when she turns the circuit on (aka turns her Mystic Eyes on), and with them off she doesn't see the lines.