2011-10-21, 12:26 | Link #4861 | |
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2011-10-21, 13:00 | Link #4862 |
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All very well you stating that she can't. I still stand by my reasoning that she can.
And as a philosopher with a keen interest in epistemology, I'd be most ashamed of myself if I took at face value a sketchy citation to a magazine scan that the citors can't even find. Still, even if that is what it says, I'm a proponent of Death of the Author anyway, so I'm free to ignore that~ You can believe it if you want, though. Each to their own interpretation of a work of art. |
2011-10-21, 16:38 | Link #4864 |
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You forget that C.C. doesn't tell Lelouch everything about her by any means. Besides, how could he have used it exactly? He's never particularly wanted to lift one of his own Geasses on someone, with one very important exception for which C.C. was incapacitated anyway (I'm sure I don't need to tell you when that was). The only other exceptions are instances when he's wanted to Geass someone again whom he's Geass'd in the past, but those have been pretty few and far between too, and usually in a pinch when he doesn't have C.C. on hand anyway. So that all for him. There are then only three other people whom he knows to have Geass: Mao, who dies early on and whose Geass isn't the sort you can negate anyway, Rolo, whom Lelouch converts to his side relatively soon (and whose Geass is short-term and therefore of limited use in negating anyway) and Charles, whose victims Lelouch isn't really aware of once the Geass on him is lifted (there's Nunnally, but as I say, he wasn't aware of that until the very end; when he did know about it, he had Jeremiah on his side anyway, so evidently he didn't feel the need to lift any Geasses either way). So whilst yes, if C.C. did tell him about it he may well have used it to his advantage at some point, I don't think those circumstances ever cropped up in either series. Unless you had some specific occasion in mind?
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2011-10-26, 22:49 | Link #4865 |
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One thing that bothers me, plot-wise: is it accurate to say that in order to get C.C. to come back to Charles to complete Ragnarok, Marianne had to suggest the best way other than using Charles to kill her would be to find Lelouch and give him enough power to do so?
If not, exactly how did Marianne and Charles expect to arrange for C.C. to seek them out again? That's always confused me... |
2011-10-26, 22:58 | Link #4866 |
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Well, that would be...
... uh, that's... ... ... come to think of it, I don't really know either. Charles and Marianne's actions are... probably one of the haziest parts of the series (particular in R2). They seemed to be using Lelouch as some sort of bait... except that beyond the Order members in the first episode, they never seemed to make any attempt to nab C.C.. Admittedly, they in theory didn't know that Lelouch had rendezvoused with C.C., but you'd have thought the fact that all the people they'd dispatched to capture C.C. suddenly vanishing, presumed dead, would've clued them in... Then there's the fact that Marianne, as she was disappearing, still seemed to believe, somehow, that C.C. was really still buying into the entire plan. Charles seemed to demonstrate a similar attitude earlier on. You really do have to wonder what was going on in their heads. Maybe someone else has a convincing explanation for all this? Because I'm stumped here. |
2011-10-29, 16:43 | Link #4867 |
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Lelouch was bait for C.C. in R2 because he was someone whose Geass had developed well enough that he might have eventually become a potential Code candidate. Since C.C.'s goal was death, she would by necessity be drawn to people who could gain complete control of their Geass, such as Charles.
C.C. went into hiding (though keeping in contact with Marianne through some sort of telepathy/World of C link) after Marianne was assassinated. Charles/Marianne needed C.C.'s Code to activate the Ragnorok Connection, so their goal was just to discover C.C.'s whereabouts at all. Lelouch's brainwashing and surveillance was for that purpose, because they knew that Lelouch's geass was connected to C.C.. Regardless of whether Lelouch started up his rebellion again, so long as C.C. was hanging around him, Charles and Marianne knew that they would find her eventually. |
2011-10-29, 17:38 | Link #4869 |
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I don't remember too much about why C.C. went into hiding, but it probably has something to do with the fact that her only real connection to the plan was through Marianne. C.C.'s real desire/goal was death, so Lelouch (and Mao I guess) were simply the results of C.C. searching for other candidates. C.C. wasn't just biding her time waiting for Charles, I think she was serious about making Lelouch strong enough to take the Code from her, however she simply (at least initially) accepted Charles offer when he made it because her goal was just to die anyways, so it didn't matter who did it.
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2011-10-30, 00:56 | Link #4871 | |
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This is what CC's wish was. It wasn't to die, it was to be truly loved as clearly explained in episode 15. Lelouch was the one who promised to fulfill her true wish. So while CC was bait at first, in the end she wound up finding the person who could fulfill her deepest desire...to truly be loved. You can guess who it was that fulfilled that desire.
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2011-10-30, 23:34 | Link #4872 | |
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2011-10-31, 09:01 | Link #4873 |
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I dont think CC could just give Geass to anyone there must be people destined for it like this...
episode 1 that also leads CC to think that Suzaku is destined to have Geass (my theory only) episode 22 But its not CC the one to give Suzaku the geass, if the he's alive theory is canon it may have been Lelouch to give Suzaku Geass.... r2 final episode |
2011-10-31, 10:50 | Link #4874 | |
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Also, something else I just thought of: if the kiss at the end of season one was some sort of "memory backup", as you say, then how would Lelouch be able to remember anything that happened after that when his memories were restored, if it weren't Charles' Geass being lifted? For that matter, how would Lelouch's own Geass be restored, given that this seems to be a separate aspect of Charles' Geass power? If it were just, 'C.C. took an imprint of Lelouch's memories, then restored them to him later', he shouldn't have been able to remember his confrontation with Suzaku or his father; he should've had a mental blank where that was. So I don't see how the kiss can work that way. |
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2011-10-31, 18:46 | Link #4875 |
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I always assumed that when he said "geass" in that line, he meant it in the term of the actual, real-world meaning of a "geas/geis," an inescapable doom. The kind that killed Cuchulain. Even within the context of the show this would make a sort of sense: Suzaku was accepting a command. This wasn't forced on him, but one with which he agreed and willingly took on.
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2012-01-04, 03:19 | Link #4876 |
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Well, I believe that C.C lacked emotion for Lelouch in season 1, her primary objective was his survival, she needed someone to kill her, yet during the first Black Rebellion, she started showing signs of feelings for Lelouch, after R2 when Lelouch became emperor, it became clear that she had a lot of feelings for him and began to retrieve her lost humanity again.
The fact that she's immortal means she's lost all forms of humanity, yet she slowly started to regain it during the series, also the fact that the only person who loved her turned out to be using her (the nun) she stopped trusting people, but with Lelouch she grew closer to humanity, that said...she's pretty hot xD |
2012-02-15, 11:51 | Link #4877 |
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How about an immortal couple,Lelouch having gained the Code somehow,perhaps from Charles and now C.C has a reason to keep on living. Together they could open their own pizza shop or something while Suzaku (serves him right) tries his ass off fighting new criminals (because crime and bad intentions will never stop) or even nations.
Explains why Nunnally gets the little dramatic slideshow when she touches Lelouch at his last moments,but if he indeed is alive,he is a great con artist. |
2012-02-17, 03:12 | Link #4879 | |
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I think C.C. is an okay character.
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