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Why you didn't let me die?! When I received such bad injury.... you made me live with such a body!! I didn't want to live with such a body!! With such... body that cannot be loved*!! This... this... this isn't a life worth of being lived! This is not a human body! This is furniture!! That's right, I am... furniture! Furniture!! Why.... why you didn't let me die that day?! Uwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! *The word "koi" is used, not "ai". That means it's implied that Yasu is talking about a sexual relationship.
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2010-12-12, 18:43
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Wait, I don't think this is, at all, the reason why she did all the stuff she did in 1986.
It's just something that worsened her already messed up mind. According to what Clair says in EP7, it's really the "love duel" that was shown in EP6 the reason behind her crazy plan.
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2010-12-12, 18:51
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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And the love duel was between Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice. As such, if there IS ShKanonTrice, the love duel should be titled:
"Which Personality Shall Have Full Control of Yasu's Body" As for Zepar and Furfur's roles in this, I have no clue.
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2010-12-12, 18:54
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I think using the term 'multiple personalities' is a little hasty when it comes to Yasu. Yes, she's supposedly acting out different (imaginary) people, but it's hard to think she has what is the clinical definition of multiple personality disorder. It doesn't make sense: the assumption that such a mentally unstable person could think coherently enough to carry out a grand plan without panicking is very bold. The assumption that she would not be found out, or that even if found out would be allowed to remain a servant, is even bolder. That said, finding out she's the daughter of Kinzo and Beatrice -could- serve as a trigger for the disorder.
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2010-12-12, 19:16
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The stakes could be the Servants becuase of EP7. And the closest thing I think of that we could point to as Yasu is either Beato herself or Sakutaro. Quote:
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2010-12-12, 19:24
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Hence the whole problem with Yasu being the culprit. The motive shown and the severity of the crime don't match up. Yasu seemed to be getting over Battler and moving on at the end of the main game of Episode 7. She clearly still had feelings for him, but they weren't crushing her or anything. Plus, all the speeches that Shannon gives in other Episodes (especially the one in Episode 6 about moving on from your first love being okay) seem to indicate it's not affecting her much. But then the Tea Party comes along and she (dressed as Beato) is acting like a dead person (and she even calls herself 'one of the dead' several times) and says she planned to blow everyone up, and it's implied by Clair at the end of the main game that it's because of the love duel. But then that doesn't really match up with everything we know. Then Bernkastel says near the end after the whole Kyrie/Rudolf thing as she tears Clair's guts out that she was trying to cover for the real truth and that it didn't work now, which DOES fit with the motive, but then you run into the problem that it's basically impossible for some of the Episodes to happen without Yasu being the culprit (Ep1 especially). The whole thing is a giant mess that is hard to make sense of no matter what way you slice it >.> I'm still thinking there's just something in the early Episodes or whatever we've missed at this point. |
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2010-12-12, 19:45
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Is it absolutely 100% that the culprit of the real events is the same culprit as in the gameboards, though? Yasu can be the culprit of, say, Episode 1, but that doesn't mean they really are the culprit. The murders were obviously carried out differently in each Episodes. Hell, Episode 6 had them killed by Erika, who isn't even really there.
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2010-12-12, 20:08
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EP1 could be solved if any of the 6 (5?) people in the in the shed where still alive at the time of the discovery. Its just more convenient if its Shknontrice or say Rosa since Maria would go along with it in the last twilights.
Erika as Shkanontrice wouldn't work since that would be akin to the detective withholding evidence from the reader. I still think that Erika was able to kill them do to the whole time doesn't matter, instant red truth kinda thing that happen in EP6. Small idea, maybe its been said before. But what if during EP4 the people actually saw the actual Kinzo? As in the actual treasure house / gold warehouse? |
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2010-12-12, 20:18
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It could be possible for everyone to be alive in the shed. In the anime, everyone just stares in shock, Nanjo could be in on it by claiming they're all dead (Who wouldn't believe the doctor?)
Hideyoshi and Kanon don't touch anyone, they just watched, saw Shannon's ring finger, and that's it..
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2010-12-12, 20:20
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Just a separate thought: EP4 differs from the other episodes it seems. In EP2, Yasu actually made the siblings acknowledge that she was the successor by making them go to the church and presenting the gold. But in EP4, Krauss came back and said to leave it to 'Genji' which I took it to mean that this is the plan that Genji came up with. Perhaps the way to deal with getting co-operation from the siblings is different in each episode; 1 idea from each of the Beatrice faction? Kind of like a spur-of-the-moment idea that was not really planned clearly... EP1: Kumasawa or Nanjo? EP2: Yasu EP3: Kumasawa or Nanjo? EP4: Genji EP5: Kumasawa or Genji? EP6: Battler? Quote:
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2010-12-12, 20:21
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 On a serious note, I doubt Erika is yasu. Yasu was depicted as the martyr who takes all blame as Beatrice, while Erika is depicted to be the blamer trying to deny Beatrice. Unless Yasu really badly lost some screws for whatever reason, I really have trouble seeing Erika originated from Yasu. Heck, you might as well say it "I wouldn't put it past Yasu".
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2010-12-12, 20:49
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right? That's actually the only real obstacle I see to my theory. Everything else matches perfectly.
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2010-12-12, 21:02
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2010-12-12, 21:24
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2010-12-12, 21:27
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Well, the thing about the stories themselves though, despite the existence of Rokkenjima Prime is that they should still be internally consistent. In Rokkenjima Prime, Erika never made it to the island, yes.
But in EP5 and 6, the *story*, she did. In the story, whether she's alive or dead, counts as a person or not, it should remain internally consistent. Sorta like say you wrote a story of the moon landing and they had one extra guy there. That guy should remain in the story, but if he suddenly disappears in one scene with the only excuse that he was never there for real... then this seems like the mark of a bad (really bad) writer. As much as we distrust Hachijou, I don't think she's that bad... is she?
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