The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 12]

[CrowKenobi]

Chihiro subs are out!!

EDIT: Finished watching it and the game's afoot! 9/10

Next episode... the scene! (probably end on it)

EDIT 2: serious music is serious.

[GMT]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I liked the fact that it looked like Haruhi was about to whack her in the head, stopped just short and tapped her.

You know, so they keep the requirement of Haruhi hitting her on the head without making her look like a monster.

She sure didn't hold back a little later, when she started repeatedly beating Mikuru over the head with it. Then she was in full monster mode, and that was when Serious Kyon rode to the rescue.

[Ascaloth]

I just realised something.

Remember in The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina Episode 00, the camera was panning up and down after the Mikuru Beam and when Yuki was raping tackling Mikuru?

Take a closer look at Kyon's hand movements (specifically the one holding the camera) in that same scene in this episode.

[Peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

I just realised something.

Remember in The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina Episode 00, the camera was panning up and down after the Mikuru Beam and when Yuki was raping tackling Mikuru?

Take a closer look at Kyon's hand movements (specifically the one holding the camera) in that same scene in this episode.

Kyon panned it down instead of up, right?

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003

Kyon panned it down instead of up, right?

Not really. Kyon panned it up at first, then down afterwards. What was seen in Mikuru 00 more or less fit the sequence.

[Ithekro]

That he stops recording after the flash and then starts up again is interesting. He's also still zoomed in. His hand motions with the camera fit just about perfectly with what we see in the finished product...also Haruhi walks around Mikuru and Yuki so that when she comes into camera in the film, she comes in from the left size, even though the director's chair was off camera to the right. An accurate recreation of something they animated three plus years ago, from a completely different angle.

[ac195]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

You're probably right. However, unless they drastically improve the quality of the final scene in Sigh I, the problem is going to come up the first time someone watches the DVD.

That's what the credits are for And again, unless you really are looking at them side by side... you won't really notice.

[thirdlc]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

After watching episode 12... I don't see where Haruhi is K-Onified in this episode. Many of her facial expressions are just about identical to her facial expressions in the classic 2006 style. Also, Haruhi has regained her somewhat unique open smile, which had been Yui-fied for a while.

The only K-On-ifed element that remains is lack of line definition (such as broken closed smiles - i.e. instead of one solid line for the smile, we have a half-smile line and then a little bit more line added in after a break). Other than that (and it's not even constant - frequently, you do have line definition), Haruhi looks to be back on 2006 model to me. Aside from degree of line definition, is there anything about Haruhi's look in this episode that makes you think K-On or Yui?

As for line definition... well, it's such a small part of the artwork, that if everything else is the way I like it, I'll let it slide.




I agree with you here. However, I'm pretty much happy with the art style in this episode.

Even during K-ON, Ikeda's episodes were the most away from K-ON design and looked like Clannad, so how could Haruhi be K-ONified? She isn't under the influence of K-ON.

But, you call what we saw in Clannad a K-ONified element too? Every time people say K-ON in Haruhi threads , I didn't get the point and was confused, but I'm getting the idea of it now. K-ON itself doesn't matter, right?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yeah...as mixed as my feelings for this franchise have always been my opinion of it has never been as low as it's been these past couple of months. This episode doesn't really change that feeling much (at least it's not E8 wore off quickly) and frankly none of the new episodes have really been anything other than decent time passers so far. I could at least point to some episodes of the original run that were exceptional, but it seems that recently any and all creative notions and artistic (in the intellectual sense) have truly left this production duo behind. Disappointing outside of the fanservice and moe as usual for Neo-Kyoani.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

*snips*

It's not all bad, but I do wish that the art consistency could be maintained. For example, in this episodes, there were parts that were very VERY close to the 2006 airing in terms of style, then in the next scene they change back to the newer KyoAni style.

[Takamura Mamoru]

I finally started picking this up again and watched Sighs. And I have to say, I like it. Yes, it's quite good.

Those were my reactions:

Spoiler:

Episode 20:

- Hilarious beginning scene with Yuki
- Great dialogue
- "If at all possible, I'd like to blow up a building, but do you know where they'd sell dynamite?" GENIUS!

Episode 21:

- Great dialgoue again
- Yes, Yuki in her wizard outfit
- There was some awesome background music in the middle
- "Mama, what's that?" "Ssh, don't look at them." LOL
- Random guy taking a photo of bunny girl Mikuru... Kyon turning around and giving the guy a Death Glare.. Random guy winces.. LOL
- They actually made the commercial filming exactly the same as in Episode 00, except from the opposite perspective
- "plugsuit".. I see an Evangelion reference
- Taking Mikuru's tea she gave to Kyon! Jerkass Haruhi strikes again, but for some reason, I love the expression she has in that scene.
- Kyon: "Stop watching." Koizumi: "Of course." Lol, great voice acting.

Episode 22:

- Haruhi knows Gun Kata. It's Equilibrium!
- She fired at the monk! "Retreat!" LOL
- I really like Haruhi's clothes in this episode
- Koizumi made his situation worse.. His reaction was hilarious.
- Oh shit, Haruhi's Jerkass mode in extreme.. Serious moment! Well, at least Kyon physically intervened..
- Excellent voice acting on Aya Hirano's side
- BADASS YUKI TO THE ACTION!
- Ahh, great dialogue between Kyon and Yuki again.
- "Go eat your ripoff and die." LOL Kyon.
- TSURUYA!
- There's that cool background music again..

So I rated Sighs I with 7/10, Sighs II & III with 8/10.

[OkamiNoKaze]

I think calling the style K-onified is just spillover from people that didn't like that show. And because they're appling the style of a show they hated on to Haruhi, it just makes it worse for them.

[ReneeBurossamu]

.... you know what I just noticed?
I've never seen Koizumi eat anything, just drink tea.
/pointless

[worldruined]

Originally Posted by ReneeBurossamu

.... you know what I just noticed?
I've never seen Koizumi eat anything, just drink tea.
/pointless

Spoiler for Novel tidbits~:

Kyon actually mentions this in Where Did the Cat Go? -- "Oh yes, I have never seen him chowing down on food."

He apparently does eat sometimes (presumably dinners during Lone Island Syndrome [maybe?], lunch at the pool during Endless Eight [I count two shots of him with food in hand in the anime episodes], a ham and pork chop sandwich in Snow Mountain Syndrome [he compliments Haruhi on its taste]), but never much or quickly. Keeping up the "elegant" image, I suppose, or maybe he runs on coffee Esper Energy? XD?

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by worldruined

Spoiler for Novel tidbits~:

Kyon actually mentions this in Where Did the Cat Go? -- "Oh yes, I have never seen him chowing down on food."

He apparently does eat sometimes (presumably dinners during Lone Island Syndrome [maybe?], lunch at the pool during Endless Eight [I count two shots of him with food in hand in the anime episodes], a ham and pork chop sandwich in Snow Mountain Syndrome [he compliments Haruhi on its taste]), but never much or quickly. Keeping up the "elegant" image, I suppose, or maybe he runs on coffee Esper Energy? XD?

Spoiler:

I suppose he just noshes it down when nobody is looking.

Just like Mikuru spits into Haruhi's tea when she's not watched.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

I could at least point to some episodes of the original run that were exceptional, but it seems that recently any and all creative notions and artistic (in the intellectual sense) have truly left this production duo behind. Disappointing outside of the fanservice and moe as usual for Neo-Kyoani.

Why are you discrediting KyoAni for this?

This is Sighs. It is the absolute worst, most boring part of the source material outside of Where Did the Cat Go (and as much as I love that story, I'll admit that much).

There honestly isn't much they can do with this story aside from what they're doing already. This isn't like Live Alive or DoS where they have artistic freedom~ to work with.

This is still infinitely better than the original novel. And that's KyoAni's doing.

But wait. You complain about everything that KyoAni makes regardless of its qualiy.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Why are you discrediting KyoAni for this?

This is Sighs. It is the absolute worst, most boring part of the source material outside of Where Did the Cat Go (and as much as I love that story, I'll admit that much).

There honestly isn't much they can do with this story aside from what they're doing already. This isn't like Live Alive or DoS where they have artistic freedom~ to work with.

This is still infinitely better than the original novel. And that's KyoAni's doing.

Yeah, KyoAni deserves credit for Sighs. I think that they kind of missed the boat on a couple of key bits in episodes 10 and 11, but they were bang on superb for episode 12, and overall, their work for 10 through 12 has been quite commendable.

If Kaioshin hasn't read the novels, I can understand him being a bit non-plussed, but this really is an outstanding job of taking a part of the source material where almost every central character is at his or her worst, and making it pretty enjoyable instead.

[Ithekro]

Now don't go starting a new fetish, soon everyone will want some Mikuru spit in their tea.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Mmh, the plot of Sighs may not be interesting, but I think certain scenes help the character development and there's a lot of great dialogue. I'm definitely enjoying it and don't think KyoAni is doing a bad job (except for the art/animation).

[Jintor]

It's not up to S1 quality but then again I feel a lot of you are rose-tinting S1 quality anyway (apart from backgrounds, they almost always rocked). New style is different in its own way, that way being moe-ness, which I can appreciate that not everybody likes but hell - I like K-On Kyon.