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2018-07-29, 06:32 | Link #6343 |
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All I will say about Kale and Caulifla is the they were badly written Mary Sues that got too much power in too little a time frame (they go from normal to Super Saiyan 2 and 2.5 within a matter of 3 to 4 hours and that is taking into account that the entire tournament was almost an hour of that time). In my opinion at the very least the tournament should have taken place 6 months from the moment it was announced instead of a couple of hours, that would have at least have been a slightly believable (but still bs) timeframe to give them a proper character arc with maybe a small filler arc focusing on the U6 Saiyans.
Kale could have been a better character but only ended up being/coming off as an annoying lesbian and Caulifla was just another lazy Goku clone (as if we needed more of those). Cabba is the only one of them that is actually any sort of good and that is because we have had time to see him grow (even if just a bit) making his (also rather quick) transformations seem much more believable. It also doesn't hurt that he has his own personality instead of copying a already existing past character (yes, I know about the whole Vegeta's brother thing but they might as well be night and day unlike the other two). These are my reasons for hating those two and none of it has to do with them being women. As much as I loved the ToP arc, I have to agree that there are many inconsistencies you can clearly see throughout that entire arc with Kale and Caulifla being the one that sticks out the most when you put one second of thought into their characters (at least for me). But hey, if there is one silver lining it would be that at least this isn't as bad as the manga ToP.
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2018-07-29, 18:00 | Link #6344 | |
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The Bias is clear as day if you ask me. you can call me stupid all you want. I can smell Bias Hate a mile away. People like you ignore Trunks and Goten because "They were comedy characters" or some other pseudoscience but at the end of the day, people got upset because they're women. What is so wrong with the Manga version hmm? Upset that Kale did the same thing Broly would have done if he were here? Did you get upset when Hit was uppercutted out? Do you follow SethTheProgrammer by chance? lol If you took one second to think as you said. You'd realize Super Saiyan hasn't been a big deal for a long time and only now getting upset when its two women is clear bullshit. XD
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2018-07-29, 18:05 | Link #6345 |
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"Since when did we start taking a known to be dumb fun anime seriously?"
So we're defending an anime by just calling it dumb and thus it shouldn't be taken seriously. Trunks' arc in Super was one of the darkest things ever seen in the franchise and yet it was dumb? The franchise has comedy but it still tries to take itself seriously. Quoting Vegeta in the Buu arc: "This whole universe is going to die!!" Then again once the Red Ribbon and Piccolo appeared the franchise started showing more drama than before. However, death became meaningless when we kept having sets of Dragon Ball, timetravel to undo Earth's destruction, etc. |
2018-07-29, 18:11 | Link #6346 | |
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Bulma - "Oh Zamasu have my babies hehe" Yea, take it serious. =\ If you gotta use fake dumb math and reasoning to hate on a character ONLY because they got a power boost out of no where or a new form while so many before them have. It's clear bias. Just Saiyan. Go ahead and hate characters for dumb reasons. But I hope you realize the main cast has done worse. OMG 17 can go against Blue THATS SO COOL AND COMPLETELY NOT ASSPULL.
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2018-07-29, 18:29 | Link #6347 |
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Let us all be honest, the problem with the Power Levels and new Saiyan characters leveling up at lightspeed is majorly one: WRITING!!!
Toei (and quite possibly Toriyama as well) have been screwing it all up thanks to lazy writing and bad planning, simply because Rule of the Cool and because they think the little kids and hardcore fans to whom they believe to be mainly directing the story will eat it whole and even ask for more. |
2018-07-29, 18:31 | Link #6348 | |
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I would have loved a u6 arc but Nooooope!
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2018-07-29, 18:40 | Link #6349 |
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Which arc was rushed? Each arc of the Anime even ended up having "filler" episodes, totally unnecessary.
And yes, I also once thought a U06 Arc might come to happen, but never did. Honestly, still nothing lost. In a sense, the Manga's pacing, while faster, seems to make great use of the setting and events of each arc and even offers additional details or more proper explanations to a good few things. |
2018-07-29, 18:50 | Link #6350 |
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I’m not all that hype for Broly coming back. But then again, I am getting tired of all of these abundance of saiyans popping out all over the place. If they were going to bring back Broly, what was the point of Kale? Did they bring Broly back because Kale was poorly received?
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2018-07-29, 19:09 | Link #6351 | |
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broly coming obvious was due to kale sucess and broly fans get hyped from kale. And i do also the manga ToP compared with anime is terrible and one of the worst BS arcs, i was annoyed by the trumps arc but the ToP managed to go worst with they "spped of light" bs, pulling off almost everyone.
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2018-07-29, 19:45 | Link #6353 | |
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Let me put like that: they popularity helped each other, broly created kale which helped broly become's cannon.
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2018-07-30, 17:39 | Link #6354 | |
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2018-07-30, 19:11 | Link #6355 |
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Nappa suggesting they breed with Earthlings was in the manga too. Hybrids have always been special.
Toriyama provided another explanation for Goten and Trunks getting SSJ so easily with S-Cells since then though. An explanation that applies to U6 Saiyans. What doesn't make sense now is that none of them went SSJ before. Cabba is a soldier, are we really supposed to believe he never got angry in his life?
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2018-07-31, 00:21 | Link #6357 | |
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I don't necessarily think they're "Mary Sues" but the definition that fits them would indeed fit them regardless of gender. I for one don't see people hating them because they're women in a show that's already demonstrated it has no problem with powerful women, more powerful than SS from the get-go even. I just see people who hate someone who happens to be a woman. Nothing more, nothing less. Plenty of characters have received hate and derision on account of their character before, male and female alike, for anything from dislike of their character or backstory to problems with their power levels. It shouldn't raise such alarms just because the newest one is female. |
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2018-07-31, 00:44 | Link #6358 | |
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caulifla had/have some hype before she started to fight, peoples just like to forget it. She is pretty much the "goku" of her universe the prodigy with the potential to become insane strong as goku.
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2018-07-31, 00:59 | Link #6359 | |
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2018-07-31, 01:12 | Link #6360 | |
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Remember to turn in a SS is not some complex ritual like the SSG all you needed in the beginner is get enough anger than later just be "kids playing".
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