2010-04-30, 11:31 | Link #9641 | |
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She broke her ankle and died with Maria, burned to death, and went to hell. Maybe Maria's jaw was stuck on a rock. For "impossible memories", I guess it's Featherine that is messing around. She is a legendary witch, after all. But that volcano theory is a bit...to easy...and... If a riddle is not hard, there is no point to it. (what's with this hint ? it's a bit strange, maybe it means that the statement with "·······" above them are the true tips (I always thought it was accentuated sentences) Also...hasn't Rule X been clearly said in EP1 ? And clearly raped in EP6 with featherine ? Do you get it ? No ? I mean THAT : Spoiler for X:
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2010-04-30, 17:09 | Link #9642 | |
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Heh... this pic makes me think that even 1 and 2 may be unreliable takes on what really happened. Here's a pic I found. Spoiler for No Dine no Knox no Fair:
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2010-04-30, 17:16 | Link #9643 |
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Wasn't that roman numeral "10"?
Not really letter/variable "X"? Edit: Hm, I guess so. Replayed the ending to confirm or not, and yeah I guess I just remembered it as showing up later, and had a false memory of roman numerals 1~9 showing up. *As an effort to make 10 make sense* 10th Twilight, the cousins reached it. They saw the banquet, went to the Golden Land, and were the only ones who could tell the tale. I guess X would make sense as well though. Last edited by Realus; 2010-04-30 at 17:40. |
2010-04-30, 17:28 | Link #9645 | |
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Spoiler for screencaps and size:
It could be possible that Kyrie wasn't aware of Rudolf's lawsuit, but that means that they should have other financial problems besides that. We talked about this a while ago: this is from the EP 1 shed scene, when Hideyoshi finds Shannon and blocks her from George. The outline of the figure on the ground is Shannon. |
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2010-04-30, 17:34 | Link #9646 | |
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Also the thing at the bottom is clearly Shannon's maid hat.
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2010-04-30, 17:35 | Link #9647 | |
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He isn't kneeling is this scene ? Oh...I missed that maybe... |
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2010-04-30, 17:38 | Link #9648 | |
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And these are Ryukishi's sprites, so don't expect any fancy kneeling on the ground pictures. You just have to settle for Battler crying with his hand in his pocket. |
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2010-04-30, 17:52 | Link #9649 |
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The difference between the faking theories before ep5-6 and the faking theories after is that prior to ep5, people were suggesting the FTs were actually faked, and that people weren't dead. Very few people think the FTs in 1-4 have many - or any - survivors, but the idea is to reverse the assumption of the murders.
That is, before we believed: The FT victims were killed, and the killer posed them in bizarre and theatrical situations. Now we believe: The FT victims were in a bizarre theatrical situation, and that was when the killer killed them. The distinction is obvious; we have gone from asking why there is a theatrical killer to asking why there might be a group of theatrical non-killers, and who among them is becoming the actual killer. And while it may seem ridiculous, twice now in Chiru it seems entirely clear that there is exactly such a faction, and the characters most likely to number in that faction are not strong murder suspects and even potentially excluded in red. RANDOM THOUGHT OF THE DAY: Is the golden brooch that can give the magic of love and happiness the gold itself? Did both Shannon and Kanon solve the epitaph, but are uncertain what to do with it? Do they come into conflict over the use of the gold? Remember, just because you "have no use for" money doesn't mean you can't disagree on how that money should be used... |
2010-04-30, 17:53 | Link #9650 | |
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And if that part of the Ep5 opening is false... why couldn't all of it be? |
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2010-04-30, 18:00 | Link #9651 |
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For the OP of EP4...
The bomb theory has its root here ? Because : Spoiler for Massive Bomb Ownage:
Isn't that clear proof ? And...doesn't the thing near Battler looks like ADN ? The thing here is that it began to burn BEFORE the explosion. Last edited by DgBarca; 2010-04-30 at 18:13. |
2010-04-30, 18:30 | Link #9652 | |
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And "Maria" didn't really write the story like Hachijou did. Only thing "Maria" did was write the endroll which normally appears, along with her message in EP 1. So the EP 2 scene with them talking about everything inside a guest room can easily be false as well. |
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2010-04-30, 18:31 | Link #9653 | |
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2010-04-30, 18:36 | Link #9654 |
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Yes - the EP 2 cap comes from the scene where Eva, Rudolf, Kyrie and Hideyoshi are all together talking about the "Beatrice" that Kyrie say earlier. Rosa is with Maria out in the hall and Krauss and Natsuhi are somewhere unseen (most likely thinking of ways to convince the others about Kinzo). Kyrie is aware of the anti-Krauss plan, it just seems that she wasn't completely aware of their own financial problems.
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2010-04-30, 20:57 | Link #9655 | |
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It's not just the thing with Kyrie. Notice the discrepancy in Krauss's behaviour between Ep1 and Ep5... in Ep1, he's clearly far smarter than he looks, whereas in Ep5... Er, no. "Maria" wrote the entirety of both Ep1 and Ep2. This is stated in both Ep4 and Ep6. I'm not quite sure how you missed it. That Witch-Hunt professor even says how the message bottles told stories of witches and demons... furthermore, Hachijou couldn't have solved the mystery with just the endrolls alone. |
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2010-04-30, 21:29 | Link #9656 | ||
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But if you're going to question the pre-Oct 4 1986 scenes then you might as well question all of EP 2's beginning as well, among other things. Lambdadelta, Beatrice or any game master can't manipulate things that happen before the start of the game or things after the game. If they could then let's just go ahead and question the entirety of 1998 as well. It doesn't make sense for them to manipulate areas of time outside the gameboard. Quote:
The letters are the endrolls and some details about the events of the game that occurred. Not every detail spelled out. Besides, we don't if Hachijou's answer is the correct answer - it is simply an answer, such as the answer Erika made in EP 5 and the one Beatrice and Battler found. Anyways I can't access my EP 1-4 game right now (different computer than the usual) so if you have a screencap of this then please show me it. |
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2010-04-30, 22:27 | Link #9657 | ||
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I don't have a screencap on hand, no, but I'm sure that somebody does. Also, I seem to remember the anime going into a bit more detail... it was there that we confirmed that the first bottle letter was about Ep1. |
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2010-04-30, 22:46 | Link #9658 | |||
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Again, he was scammed. People get scammed all the time, because scammers promise them something they want or need.
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George loves Shannon and wants to treat her properly. If he didn't care about her so much then he wouldn't have picked the 3rd option. Quote:
EP 5's normal ending is a perfect example of this - Erika and Bern are able to weave this entire story about Natsuhi being the culprit. It is considered an acceptable answer at the given time because of it's conditions (Kinzo not being dead from a proven detective standpoint, 1st twilight people are dead, etc) and agreeing with Knox. But when Battler confirms Kinzo's corpse using gold and has red about the 1st twilight then Erika's answer is no longer acceptable. She changes it and Bern says then it is acceptable. The fact that Erika's answer =/= Beatrice's answer means that there can be multiple answers. We don't know if Hachijou's answer is the same as Beatrice's answer right now. All we know is that she has found a possible answer. Quote:
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And while you can say that there are "multiple truths", etc, there is only one 'Answer'. What the bottle letters and Hachijou are supposed to do is give a "real-world" explanation for what the events of the games actually are. If 'Maria's' letters were only summaries, they'd be useless as such. And again, how do you expect Hachijou to figure out everything from just that? There's so many little details and in Ep1 (some of which obviously prompted Hachijou's later writings) that a summary would be impossible. |
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