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Magin · 2008-12-07, 21:31

more like he tries to put his OC into every situation... which annoys me to hell, because despite what he says, its basically like inserting a Deus ex Machina in, and while I usually like DeMs, it doesn't work so well in this case

RadiantBeam · 2008-12-07, 21:36

Deus ex Machina?

Tempest35 · 2008-12-07, 21:40

Whwat some people would call the 'Know Your Place' Kick...

Magin · 2008-12-07, 21:41

... please tell me you've heard that term before

basically, a character that comes in from almost out of the blue, and saves everyone's asses. I usally like those in stories because it leads to happy endings (which I'm a total sucker for), but it doesn't quite seem to work in this case

... then again, he is a Mizore fanatic as well, and you know my biasm on that

and Tempest, the Know Your Place isn't a Deus ex machina, because the DeM generally only occurs once it a story... asnd how many times has she kicked people? At least three or so in the last chapter

RadiantBeam · 2008-12-07, 21:47

Oh, you mean like a Mary Sue/Gary Stu character.

Magin · 2008-12-07, 21:49

Yes, except those are there the whole time... DeM's come in out of the blue at the most crucial of moments (and I can actually stand DeM's)

Vikitehwaffu · 2008-12-07, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Magin

... please tell me you've heard that term before

basically, a character that comes in from almost out of the blue, and saves everyone's asses. I usally like those in stories because it leads to happy endings (which I'm a total sucker for), but it doesn't quite seem to work in this case

... then again, he is a Mizore fanatic as well, and you know my biasm on that

and Tempest, the Know Your Place isn't a Deus ex machina, because the DeM generally only occurs once it a story... asnd how many times has she kicked people? At least three or so in the last chapter

Moka has always been established as one of the most powerful characters in the story. That isn't deus ex machina.

Deus ex machina is more like in the highlight/drama of the story, something out of nowhere to solve all the problems. Comes from old Shakespeare plays where in the climax, lol machine/god comes out of nowhere to resolve everything.

Original characters themselves aren't bad. However, they are very difficult to do well.

Gladiat · 2008-12-07, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Vikitehwaffu

Moka has always been established as one of the most powerful characters in the story. That isn't deus ex machina.

Deus ex machina is more like in the highlight/drama of the story, something out of nowhere to solve all the problems. Comes from old Shakespeare plays where in the climax, lol machine/god comes out of nowhere to resolve everything.

Original characters themselves aren't bad. However, they are very difficult to do well.

Moka IS the most powerful character in the story (So far).

But DeMs are kinda overused in R+V ._.

Magin · 2008-12-07, 23:07

Only the Exorcist, and I suppose you could say the Bus Driver, are the closest things to DeM's that R+V has

you have guys that come in the nick of time to save things, but they aren't DeMs, since they're on panel constantly

X207 · 2008-12-07, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Gladiat

Moka IS the most powerful character in the story (So far).

But DeMs are kinda overused in R+V ._.

im not so sure that moka is the strongest, kahlua is still way up there (even more so -2 limiters). if anything its still a toss up between the 2 of them.

kaizerknight01 · 2008-12-08, 00:24

If I am to make powerful OC I want his entrance to be wacky and funny like this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHO1...eature=related

^^

kenjiharima · 2008-12-08, 00:53

Remember in the manga Inner Moka was fighting Ghoul Tsukune and was stopped by Ruby's shadow wings or tentacles. Fairly enough a Kalua is a TANK that can take hits, still even if the match gone on Moka could have been sliced to ribbons already. Not unless they're like Arcuied that can return from the dead by regenaration process...

As for the height of the girls in the Guide Book(guide to what? lol

) Yukari is arced back so her height might be 4'8 or 4'7". Tsukune might be 5'9"/5'10". Man someone needs to scan that book and share it with us!!! XD XD XD

Speaking of Products. Yuki Ona variant version of Mizore.

3 variants of the girls Inner Moka, Succubus form Kurumu and Yuki Ona Mizore.

Kyero Fox · 2008-12-08, 08:00

why do you always gotta fuckin pick on me? Its getting on my nervs, and I havent even said anything about my Fanfic in a while except for the new Idea. You're starting to act like a jack ass imo.

kenjiharima · 2008-12-08, 08:55

Don't let it get to you. Just look at the new Mizore product and all your problems will go away.

blitz1/2 · 2008-12-08, 10:22

@Magin: Then does making a new rival OC (not a romance one) for Moka in a new story frustrate you then?

Kyero Fox · 2008-12-08, 10:25

My Fan fic is just gona be a Filler /minor support character when the Organization fights with the acadmy.

and thats when I'm gonna kill off Kyero after he does his Gurren Lagann rip off fusion XD

Sinestra · 2008-12-08, 10:25

I throughly enjoyed the last chapter as the Snow Village comes to an end with even more questions than when we went in. I especially liked Jack Frost statement about Moka and Tsukune apparently they are going to change the world. But im really starting to think that happy band of High Schoolers were mean for a higher purpose. When they are all united there really isnt an situation that they cant handle eventually. The problem seems to be with the enemy and how they tend to underestimate them especially Mizore who i believe is the second most powerful person on the team if you exclude GAR Tsukune. The fact that even Inner Moka was surprised that none of them had been killed fighting her sister. She actually "so strong" this speaks volumes of how their team work has progressed over the two seasons and every now and then we see some very nice combination attacks usually between Mizore and Kuru-chan.

I dont think the evil organizations will make the same mistake twice as they only pulled out because creepy dude wanted to save Kalua. If the fight has persisted i think both sisters might have ended up dying. But we are due for Tsukune bad assness and im sure it will be aganist the evil bad guy ROUND 2 BITCHES and im sure we will get Vamp Tsukune this time around how long it will be im not quite sure.

If only the anime was as good as the manga it would have even higher ratings.

Kyero Fox · 2008-12-08, 10:31

5 bucks says Tsukune is gonna get training from Gin or Moka :P

BlackNhite · 2008-12-08, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

5 bucks says Tsukune is gonna get training from Gin or Moka :P

Kokoa.

Just for the humor, can you imagine what she would do with an apprentice?

kenjiharima · 2008-12-08, 10:51

I guess the author likes ecchi so he allows Gonzo to let them so as they like for now in the anime, but it doesn't mean.

And yes Mizore as I said it before could be one of the top tiers in power in the group, just given the time.

Also note in comedic and non comedic situations she can freeze people in an instant.

2008-12-07, 21:31	Link #6061
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	more like he tries to put his OC into every situation... which annoys me to hell, because despite what he says, its basically like inserting a Deus ex Machina in, and while I usually like DeMs, it doesn't work so well in this case __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2008-12-07, 21:40	Link #6063
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Whwat some people would call the 'Know Your Place' Kick... __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2008-12-07, 21:41	Link #6064
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	... please tell me you've heard that term before basically, a character that comes in from almost out of the blue, and saves everyone's asses. I usally like those in stories because it leads to happy endings (which I'm a total sucker for), but it doesn't quite seem to work in this case ... then again, he is a Mizore fanatic as well, and you know my biasm on that and Tempest, the Know Your Place isn't a Deus ex machina, because the DeM generally only occurs once it a story... asnd how many times has she kicked people? At least three or so in the last chapter __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2008-12-07, 21:49	Link #6066
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	Yes, except those are there the whole time... DeM's come in out of the blue at the most crucial of moments (and I can actually stand DeM's) __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2008-12-07, 23:07	Link #6069
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	Only the Exorcist, and I suppose you could say the Bus Driver, are the closest things to DeM's that R+V has you have guys that come in the nick of time to save things, but they aren't DeMs, since they're on panel constantly __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2008-12-08, 00:24	Link #6071
kaizerknight01 Extra Superior Otaku Join Date: Sep 2008	If I am to make powerful OC I want his entrance to be wacky and funny like this!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHO1...eature=related ^^

2008-12-08, 00:53	Link #6072
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Remember in the manga Inner Moka was fighting Ghoul Tsukune and was stopped by Ruby's shadow wings or tentacles. Fairly enough a Kalua is a TANK that can take hits, still even if the match gone on Moka could have been sliced to ribbons already. Not unless they're like Arcuied that can return from the dead by regenaration process... As for the height of the girls in the Guide Book(guide to what? lol ) Yukari is arced back so her height might be 4'8 or 4'7". Tsukune might be 5'9"/5'10". Man someone needs to scan that book and share it with us!!! XD XD XD Speaking of Products. Yuki Ona variant version of Mizore. 3 variants of the girls Inner Moka, Succubus form Kurumu and Yuki Ona Mizore. __________________ Vampire+Sisters Last edited by kenjiharima; 2008-12-08 at 07:29.

2008-12-08, 08:00	Link #6073
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	why do you always gotta fuckin pick on me? Its getting on my nervs, and I havent even said anything about my Fanfic in a while except for the new Idea. You're starting to act like a jack ass imo. __________________

2008-12-08, 08:55	Link #6074
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Don't let it get to you. Just look at the new Mizore product and all your problems will go away. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2008-12-08, 10:22	Link #6075
blitz1/2 Tenshi's Defense Squadron Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Fighting against those who oppress the system	@Magin: Then does making a new rival OC (not a romance one) for Moka in a new story frustrate you then? __________________ hai, hai. Onii-chan has his work cut out for him.

2008-12-08, 10:25	Link #6076
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	My Fan fic is just gona be a Filler /minor support character when the Organization fights with the acadmy. and thats when I'm gonna kill off Kyero after he does his Gurren Lagann rip off fusion XD __________________

2008-12-08, 10:25	Link #6077
Sinestra ション (^^) IT Support Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu	I throughly enjoyed the last chapter as the Snow Village comes to an end with even more questions than when we went in. I especially liked Jack Frost statement about Moka and Tsukune apparently they are going to change the world. But im really starting to think that happy band of High Schoolers were mean for a higher purpose. When they are all united there really isnt an situation that they cant handle eventually. The problem seems to be with the enemy and how they tend to underestimate them especially Mizore who i believe is the second most powerful person on the team if you exclude GAR Tsukune. The fact that even Inner Moka was surprised that none of them had been killed fighting her sister. She actually "so strong" this speaks volumes of how their team work has progressed over the two seasons and every now and then we see some very nice combination attacks usually between Mizore and Kuru-chan. I dont think the evil organizations will make the same mistake twice as they only pulled out because creepy dude wanted to save Kalua. If the fight has persisted i think both sisters might have ended up dying. But we are due for Tsukune bad assness and im sure it will be aganist the evil bad guy ROUND 2 BITCHES and im sure we will get Vamp Tsukune this time around how long it will be im not quite sure. If only the anime was as good as the manga it would have even higher ratings. __________________

2008-12-08, 10:31	Link #6078
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	5 bucks says Tsukune is gonna get training from Gin or Moka :P __________________

2008-12-08, 10:51	Link #6080
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	I guess the author likes ecchi so he allows Gonzo to let them so as they like for now in the anime, but it doesn't mean. And yes Mizore as I said it before could be one of the top tiers in power in the group, just given the time. Also note in comedic and non comedic situations she can freeze people in an instant. __________________ Vampire+Sisters