Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai (generic anime discussion thread)

[pagan poor]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

Btw, because I don't want to consider the possibility of oh-so-cute Elsie breaking up other people's marriage, I came up with a solution. There has been many comparisons of Keima with Austin Powers, but what if he looks exactly like his Dad? That is, he's the son of Austin Powers himself. I mean, really, those "international trips" are so obviously spying in foreign country and being Austin Powers with all his Mojo does explain why he's not too surprised for having an illegitimate child. It's been years but I remember vaguely that Austin did hook up with a Japanese twins. I'm only halfway through the manga though, so I won't know if this theory will be totally broken someday should they ever show who Keima's Dad really is (which 99.99...9% will not be Austin Powers)

That said, the ED was well conceived. Also, the parts where he gets into his teaching mode is also well done and amusing. So he's not as terribly anti social as would be thought.

[KROMEangel]

Originally Posted by kobun

WTF is this op, I didnt know it was in english... this is the worst op since the rideback op... please for godsake japanese people dont sing songs in english....

One more time!

It may be engrish, but it damn sure is catchy. :3


I still don't know about Mio's voice yet; I pictured something a liitle more....haughty. I'll have to wait next episode to see what else this VA can do. (and no, I don't follow voice actors, so I have no clue of her past experience.)

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Clarste

That's not what character development means. Character development is showing who a character is, not changing who they are. Without character development you have nothing but an archetype.

I also disagree with your assertion you can't have dynamic characters in a setting where they lose their memories. In fact, that's completely the opposite of what we've seen so far. Ayumi started the episode being bullied by her senpai and secretly believing that she wasn't worthy of being on the track team, and ended the episode earning both her senpai's and her own respect, regardless of whether or not she remembers Keima's intervention. While it's pretty simplistic, all evidence points to the targets changing even if they forget.

Keep in mind that I don't mention certain things, as I thought they were pretty obvious and for some darn reason I keep doing these stuff on my phone. (gave my brother the HD2 and iPhone because they don't use a pen! Haha I am so YasuganoSora)

I am talking about episode count here. 1 half hour is enough for this style of "girl has a weiss, get close to her, kiss her and voila, she's a new girl". They've done a good job of it so far, it's as close to the manga as it will get, and I keep mentioning in my posts that this is in reference to the "beginner girls", or the less capture complicated ones. Though, I am repeating myself because margafred said it best, which I would probably leave these things to marga seeing as how I'm not online all the time.

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I think we should wait for more until we draw such conclusion. I take it you didn't follow source material?

Keep in mind I refer to the "beginner girls".

As for how far I have followed the source material? I think it's easier to go to the first pages of this thread as I showed up when this thread was created. But in short, I am current as of manga chapter 117. You will do well to take note how I have carefully minimized all mention of the manga so far? Yeah, I have a vendetta against novel/manga/game discussion in an anime thread I like to keep things where they belong and not stack canned food in the frozen foods aisle

By the way, I never put a canned good in the freezer. what happens? Explosion?

[Bonta Kun]

Right I've been the reading the manga since the start and it's always struck me as something quite speical and great but seeing it in it's animated form makes me understand now it's truly epic.
The imouto BMW thing I thought was brilliant in the manga but now I think it should be used everywhere to define imouto characters

I totally LOLed at the Charlie Brown laughing, I did not expect that!
And then followed by epic cute Elsie moment.



Keima Mama is <3 Ryoka Yuzuki was great, the change over was done very well

Totally loving this, every bit as great as it should be.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by mangatron

I am talking about episode count here. 1 half hour is enough for this style of "girl has a weiss, get close to her, kiss her and voila, she's a new girl". They've done a good job of it so far, it's as close to the manga as it will get, and I keep mentioning in my posts that this is in reference to the "beginner girls", or the less capture complicated ones. Though, I am repeating myself because margafred said it best, which I would probably leave these things to marga seeing as how I'm not online all the time.

Like margafred, you fail at counting here. One half-hour is not enough. We're one third of the way through Mio's arc so it'll likely take all of the next episode to resolve. Mio has the shortest arc. In order to avoid cutting things out, it'll take at least two episodes for most of the characters. They have not done a good job of doing what you say so far because that's not what they've done. You're just mistaken in your facts.

[Westlo]

They look to be doing 2 chapters per week, except episode 4 is only flag 17 for some reason.. hope they combined that with the first chapter after Mio (recharge!)

That's why I'm confused about it only covering 4 girls.. 5 girls and you know who to end the season would be the first 3 volumes and will fill out nicely. Maybe miss a "break" chapter but is there any apart from flag 17 and the first after Mio?

Each of the girls immediately after Mio are 4 chapters per arc, chapters are around 17-19 pages and the Ayumi chapter was 60.

[pampz21]

well if you guys are complaining about Mio's 3 chapter 17-18 pages and Ayumi's 1 chapter 60!
If you animate that...you'll get a 2 episode ryt?....but wat studio would want an introduction arc that long?
so its alright? ryt

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Fan service for girls of Keima?

You call that fanservice for the ladies?

Now this is fanservice for the ladies!

Spoiler for Hot Bod:

My God.... An Otaku who looks like a Bishonen and has a muscular body.

Ladies, that's quite a catch don't you think?

Anyway, another good and faithful episode. The comedy was great especially the part with Keima's mom and the confessions.

Hiro has done a good job voicing as Keima and Kanae is still adorable as Elsie.

[pampz21]

Yeah thats a pretty catchy bait for our ladies!

Where can you get a guy who has knowledge on every girl and has a rip, muscular body! and his face is a ultra bishonen-kei!

And

Has an imouto who's uber cute that he can go main cast for a heroine!

Let me tell you something good for awhile:

Spoiler for Let me tell you something good~:

Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni kawaii wake ganai!

Spoiler for Imoto:

because we're not really siblings! by Keima!

[Xacual]

Spoiler for How far Anime can go with 4 girls only:

If they end only going as far as using chapter 17 material, 1 chapter for Ayumi, 3 for Mio, 4 for Kanon, 4 for Shiori. Chapters 2, 6, 11, 12 and 17 were Keima and Elsee chapters. They could do chapter 17 as one episode if they added in some filler.

So if ep 4 uses only chapter 17 they will still have 11 chapters to use for the last 8 episodes(Is it 12 or 13 episode season?). 11 and 12 would definitely go together for one episode. If they did 4 episodes for Shiori and Kanon, would leave us with 3 episodes and 1 chapter. Now if they manage to do chapter 17 as one, I think they could do the same for chapter 6. Still leaves two episodes so maybe we'll get a surprise 5th girl or they'll just extend Kanon's and Shiori's arcs a little.

Or they could grab other filler chapters from later in the series.

The trailer had what 9 girls in it? So if they put more of the side chapters in this season they might just chain capture arcs in the second season?

[Francismeunier]

Originally Posted by Raiga

That was actually a pun (it was the same as the title of that episode segment). The line was "akumademo imouto desu." "Akumademo" can mean "through and through" whereas "akuma demo" means "even if (I'm) a demon." Hence the line could be interpreted as "I'm his little sister through and through" (in response to the guy asking, "Are you sure you two are related?") or you could interpret it as "Even if I'm a demon, I'm his little sister."

Ah well that clears up things much more. Thank you.

[Midonin]

A very similar pun was used in Kuroshitsuji, I think, if not the same pun. As both Elsie and Sebastian are of netherworldly origin.

[pampz21]

you mean the "Akuma de Imouto"? well there both devils so Sebastian says that cuz his "akuma de shitsuji" cuz he's a devil butler and Elsea is a Devil sister you see she just ruined a family?

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Clarste

Like margafred, you fail at counting here. One half-hour is not enough. We're one third of the way through Mio's arc so it'll likely take all of the next episode to resolve. Mio has the shortest arc. In order to avoid cutting things out, it'll take at least two episodes for most of the characters. They have not done a good job of doing what you say so far because that's not what they've done. You're just mistaken in your facts.

We'll see if it will take all of next episode. The key things here bein "introductionary girls" AKA Ayumi/Mio and "so far" AKA we are just 2 episodes in. These be my points so far. Remember what I said about Elsie (did I finally do that correctly?) getting her share of screen time. I wouldn't be surprised if she and Keima have a good dose of the first half of episode 03, effectively giving Mio a half hour total. They don't cut these things in half just for nothing, which is one of the reasons for my "done well so far" AKA we are just 2 episodes in.

Now of course I am not saying it'll be like this the rest of the way, but I'm liking the way they are spending some time on Elsie as well instead of "capture of the week". And I'm also not saying a girl doesn't deserve a full hour to herself. Remember that in animation things move a lot faster per minute than you have manga chapters. So giving Mio a full hour is over kill considering I label her as a beginner class. Who knows, itl'l probably work for Kanon, but I don't consider her beginner class.

[Himeji]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Yeah, falling for Elsie would probably make sense and even be natural in a way because she'll be by his side through everything and know what he's been through. Plus, as even he pointed out, they're starting to form a bond with each other due to their circumstances, and that will necessarily draw them closer. His almost "tsundere" attitude towards her (I know it isn't really that) was also rather interesting. If the roles were reversed, I'd almost say she's slowly working at capturing his heart too. Of course this would bring its own share of challenges, with her being a demon and all....

Spoiler for ep. 2:

After seeing ep. 2, Elsie is even much cuter and more endearing than before. Her reaction to his attempted confessions is also a tell-tale sign that she likes him. Then the bathing scene, where his resistance melted and he allowed her to stay - this is already a sign that he's warming up to her as well. I'd say the two ending up together at the end is highly likely now.

Besides that, ep. 2 was really good. Elsie "revealing" herself as a illegitimate child and the mother falling back into biker girl mode

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Any references to these animes?

The right one reminds me of Shuffle! - a nice anime, if only they hadn't messed up the ending!

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

When they first came out with these dress ups of Elucia they were great through the episode like all these from biker girl, to vampire Elucia, to Elucia being a cook in cooking Keima, to Elucia being a bathtub with bubbles, to being a boxer girl and finally as a cupid herself all here!=>

Spoiler:

That was certainly a well-done touch.

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Liked Elucia in her apron with the cute skull symbol here. Ah WTF? The food looks like poison from hell itself. Cleaning duty for so long! 300 years is a lot! Sounds to me like her older sister was treating her like Cinderella was. Well obviously after such bad food this would happen naturally.

She lines up nicely there with other cute girls who can't cook
That makes her only more endearing.

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

That explains a lot more about Elucia. Do wonder if there will be uncensored on the BD this part?

I certainly do hope so!

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

I love this guy! He thinks like based on his statement here. Keima you idiot! Should not have dodged Elucia here. Certainly it was not nice of Kosaka to read that letter. Like someone has a fetish of feet, mines goes around the hands and those hands of Elucia are beautiful here. Rather cute Elucia here! Moe is right! Loved how the guys piled up here suddenly to ask what happened in the bathroom.

Yes, that certainly raised interest about Elsie quite a bit
I see Keima's classmates becoming more and more envious there.

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Mio......... Why is she here living in a crappy apartment? Direct me to manga thread I want spoiler about that.

I don't know why she acts like an ojou-sama, but she'll have a reason.
I think she only dumped him because of this tough act as well.

Originally Posted by Kanon

is there an official romanization? In this thread alone I've seen her name written as LC, Elsie, Elcy, Elsee, etc...

The official version is Elsie, which is used on the official page:
http://kaminomi.jp/cd/index.html

Scroll down a bit, and you'll find:

＜収録内容＞
01. Oh!まい☆GOD!!　
02. コイノシルシ from Elsie
03. Oh!まい☆GOD!! (Instrumental)
04. コイノシルシ from Elsie (Instrumental)

It says Elsie on the image of her CD as well.

[Hooves]

This episode was very refreshing
Elsie is just moe to the max in this episode, especially during the attempted love confession, where she just went all around the class like Himeji said, it shows signs of her actually liking him. There is also how he lightens up to Elsie by letting her stay, as Himeji said as well The biker mom was actually surprising, and scaring One thing Elsie could do, is not make the main character look silly in front of class-mates all the time

[margafred]

Originally Posted by Clarste

Like margafred, you fail at counting here. One half-hour is not enough. We're one third of the way through Mio's arc so it'll likely take all of the next episode to resolve. Mio has the shortest arc. In order to avoid cutting things out, it'll take at least two episodes for most of the characters. They have not done a good job of doing what you say so far because that's not what they've done. You're just mistaken in your facts.

I don't really argue on this kind of thing, so i just leave it to people to judge whether this anime is in the right direction for me or not. To me it is good as it is. Nothing to complain so far. Beside capturing the girls isn't my favourite part of the manga.

You're complaining about how each episode should worth 2 chapters at least. Ever wonder how they managed to adapt first chapter into one episode? If you do your conversion based on the total page per chapter, you will find that episode 1 and 2 were worth 3 chapters of manga. I know you based your point on the fact that the 2nd half of episode 2 was worth 1 chapter of the manga. But hey, they managed to adapt the first half of the episode, which was roughly worth 2 chapters of the manga. And nothing went wrong there... at least from the way i feel it. The adaptation didn't missed anything so far... maybe a little tiny insignificant details, but that's tolerable.

You know if i want to argue about adaptation, i would rather do it on other titles like most JC Staff's adaptation series. All i was hoping for is for a studio to be completely faithful to the original manga, and that's what Manglobe been doing so far. So far reading in this thread, its mostly only the character design that got people's popping their veins on the head, very less people complaining about how faithful the adaptations been going. And my answer to that are - near perfect, so far so good, nothing went wrong for now. And i don't really expect you to agree with me on that. I already expected these things months before it starts airing anyway, so i didn't feel shocked or surprised with how they're adapting the manga into anime.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by mangatron

We'll see if it will take all of next episode. The key things here bein "introductionary girls" AKA Ayumi/Mio and "so far" AKA we are just 2 episodes in. These be my points so far. Remember what I said about Elsie (did I finally do that correctly?) getting her share of screen time. I wouldn't be surprised if she and Keima have a good dose of the first half of episode 03, effectively giving Mio a half hour total. They don't cut these things in half just for nothing, which is one of the reasons for my "done well so far" AKA we are just 2 episodes in.

Now of course I am not saying it'll be like this the rest of the way, but I'm liking the way they are spending some time on Elsie as well instead of "capture of the week". And I'm also not saying a girl doesn't deserve a full hour to herself. Remember that in animation things move a lot faster per minute than you have manga chapters. So giving Mio a full hour is over kill considering I label her as a beginner class. Who knows, itl'l probably work for Kanon, but I don't consider her beginner class.

Mio won't get an hour, she'll get 45 minutes. The episode titles match up well enough with the chapter titles that this is evident. Elsee (or Keima) is the focus of every forseeable "non-capture" chapter, and they get a "good dose" of even the "capture" chapters anyway, so there's no need to inject more Elsie screen time. They've faithfully adapted the first three chapters so far, so why stop now?

[KROMEangel]

MANGA, ANIME, ANIME, MANGA, ADAPTION, SOURCE, FAITHFUL, CUT OUT,


...



The 3rd or 4th episode should pretty much foretell how the structure is going to work, so you're gonna have to wait for those to get an answer.

As far as things go, I think you have to really try in order to screw this premise up; the last two episodes have been pretty solid, and not much has even happened yet. If the third time's the charm, then any worries I had left will be gone.


I gotta wonder how deeply involved Wakaki-sensei was in the production; because if he made any of the story changes, then there can't be any complaints about how faithful it is.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by margafred

I don't really argue on this kind of thing, so i just leave it to people to judge whether this anime is in the right direction for me or not. To me it is good as it is. Nothing to complain so far. Beside capturing the girls isn't my favourite part of the manga.

You're complaining about how each episode should worth 2 chapters at least. Ever wonder how they managed to adapt first chapter into one episode? If you do your conversion based on the total page per chapter, you will find that episode 1 and 2 were worth 3 chapters of manga. I know you based your point on the fact that the 2nd half of episode 2 was worth 1 chapter of the manga. But hey, they managed to adapt the first half of the episode, which was roughly worth 2 chapters of the manga. And nothing went wrong there... at least from the way i feel it. The adaptation didn't missed anything so far... maybe a little tiny insignificant details, but that's tolerable.

You know if i want to argue about adaptation, i would rather do it on other titles like most JC Staff's adaptation series. All i was hoping for is for a studio to be completely faithful to the original manga, and that's what Manglobe been doing so far. So far reading in this thread, its mostly only the character design that got people's popping their veins on the head, very less people complaining about how faithful the adaptations been going. And my answer to that are - near perfect, so far so good, nothing went wrong for now. And i don't really expect you to agree with me on that. I already expected these things months before it starts airing anyway, so i didn't feel shocked or surprised with how they're adapting the manga into anime.

You're still misunderstanding my point, as well as being factually wrong.

The first episode covered chapter 1, which was indeed three times as long as a normal chapter, and they did indeed cut some things out. I complained about that a while ago and I am no longer talking about that because it's in the past.

Episode 2 adapted chapter 2 and 3, and had a very nice pace. I want them to continue as they've done episode 2. No more, no less. I'm not complaining about the adaptation, I'm praising it. However, because of your misunderstanding, you're both defending the adaptation that i'm not even attacking while at the same implicitly attacking it yourself by claiming an optimal scheme that is not consistent with what they're doing. You are, quite simply, wrong. Your facts are incorrect. We both agree with how the series should be adapted, but because your facts are wrong you're arguing with me for no reason. I find this tiresome.