2012-07-27, 10:39 | Link #421 |
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Hey, all I was saying that IF you had to deduce the winner from the title, you need to count all three and not separately, considering the Japanese title uses 'to'. Nothing more, nothing less.
(BTW, no main heroine in mashifony. But Sakuno would always be the main one in my heart. <3)
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2012-07-27, 11:29 | Link #424 |
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I think most people understood what Kokoro Connect was going to be after the second episode so really only the first episode was "wasted". It did take three episodes to actually get to that point but then again we can't really say Koi has actually kicked off yet. So far we only have hints and snippets. The actual character drama hasn't truly begun.
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2012-07-27, 12:44 | Link #425 |
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There are elements of Koichoco that feel very typical for a VN adaptation. I’m finding more and more that these shows need a few episodes to really “start” – they rarely hit the ground running like some anime do. And this one is certainly the same way – the process of world-building in a VN adaptation always seems to be awkward as compared to other sorts of series. But Koichoco strikes me as unusual among its brethren in one important sense – this show is primarily about the plot, and the interpersonal relationships seem secondary to that. It’s not as if the characters are terrible or even uninteresting, but it feels as if the creative energy here is really in the premise itself, which in romance VN is often just a necessary adjunct to the main event.
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2012-07-27, 12:54 | Link #426 | |
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And most people understood what Kokoro Connect is to be about by the second episode? Nah, the second episode is a bit of a stretch... at best you'd be able to claim 'some' people understood. Just going by Asuki posts alone, from posts 202-324 (the time periode between eps 2 and 3), them having a feeling it turning dark has been mentioned in only like 7 or 8 posts. Then discussion about the more grim nature of Kokoro Connect only went full swing after the third episode aired. And what most people said about episode 2? This guy sums it up pretty nicely. Spoiler for save space:
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All I said was that KoiChoco established its identity in episode 1, while Kokoro Connect took 3. Wasn't even comparing them to be the same type of anime. :shrug:
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2012-07-27, 16:00 | Link #430 | |
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Even the very straightforward harem show NakaImo seems to me to have more character interest than this show, so far. At least the characters seem to have feelings. Heck, I'm finding Ebiten more enjoyable than this show, even two episodes in, and with only Chinese subs to go by. I just don't feel the humour here, and the development seems plodding, to me. But that's just me. Sorry to be negative. I'm still watching, hoping things will start to click for me.
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But no I don't think it could've gone either way. Heartseed definitely put a very sombre spin on things, Yui's hints were easy to spot (and were unlikely to be taken lightly) and Iori sealed the deal with her grim philosophical talk on what would happen to their identities. And of course the preview definitely helped.
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2012-07-27, 16:18 | Link #432 |
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Aww man, I felt really bad at the end of this episode Whhhyy did they have to leave us with that depressing scene D= I wanted someone to comfort her or help her or something XD I hope this anime perks up next episode and that girl gets treated much better.
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2012-07-27, 18:33 | Link #434 |
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Regarding the cohesion of elements in this show, based on the way the story has been presented so far, I would suggest that all the plot threads are heading in their own directions, but are ultimately on a collision course. I think it won't be until that collision occurs that you'll see the way the elements connect and the show will really deliver its message. In the meantime, I think they will continue to introduce a lot of different ideas on all fronts, setting the stage for the collision to come. This may make the story a little bit hard to follow (since there is a lot to keep track of), but I suspect that it will all make sense in the end (and it'll be the sort of show that you will understand differently during a re-watch).
I wouldn't say this is either a better or worse approach overall, but it is a bit different compared to some other shows. The key thing they have to try to do is keep you hooked enough to stay interested in where they're going.
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2012-07-27, 20:01 | Link #435 |
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I will have to say I have to agree with those that are saying Koichoco has a weakness of being diluted on multiple concepts.
While it's good to have thoughts on many things shown, as there are a quite a number of them, in a pure anime watching standpoint there's uncertainty if there is a clear picture. On a random note this totally reminds me of like, one of the Iron Man Marvel cartoons where episode 1 starts right into the action and for a new viewer it doesn't make sense but it does if you have all the backstory information. Well, in terms of studio production I'm guessing they need to balance momentum/linearity with new watchers and watchers familiar with the game. So far I find it functional, and as I've stated before, in terms of the anime making it such that I want to know more or what happens next, it's doing fine. However likewise I can't help but also say the dilution also makes me unsure what is going to happen next (or why it was shown), hence the disjointed feeling of the things going on. I DO like how the presentation of this VN adaptation, while having a massive number of similarities to other ones, I do find it does have something particularly different. Just something about it makes me enjoy it particularly more. I won't go as far as to say it's realistic but it does make me think and wonder. Pretty much these episodes will require subsequent ones to bring closure or explain things, because as standalones there are very many question marks. This isn't spoiler but I do want to ask Spoiler:
... or basically whatever relentlessflame said, yes I find it's going this direction. Ironically this method of hooking ALSO dissuades viewers that prefer a different format. But to add to the relentless point: I do find it amusing that Satsuki literally says to Oojima/Hazuki that the things she does for one end (elections) are separate (or different reasons) from other things she does (private matters or finance stuff). I personally find this particular pointer key. If you've noticed, as you all obviously have, I felt like Oojima has been "carried" through the adventure. The disbanding is a sudden event that shakes the daily (club) routine. The nomination was forced/recommended on him, the load was pretty much put on him. Two pretty girls literally ramming into him. Yume wants him, other men crashed into him. Oojima roll cooking assignment was put on him. I think my only complaint is that these characters actually have adequate strengths (as they are indeed in an elite school) but since we got right into the action there wasn't really much of a setup to really say who is good at what. Like, Oojima can cook a unique Oojima Roll [However, yes the episode spent like 30 seconds explaining it's exquisite flavor]. But it's like well, I don't recall them mentioning Oojima can cook. In other words I'm finding a lot of things implied (intellect, capability, other strengths), and then verifying these strengths through actions and events. It's pretty good but it seems to be set up at the same time it is used. Spoiler:
Likewise, because this was a pre-existing club, I don't feel like I see this much. (Usually series that have clubs are either forming them or if there isn't a club then there's some invincibility or hot impact complex from protag encountering super powerful lead girl or protag joining some club of prestigious elites) I do really like the election planning and math. The series has adequately shown good fundamentals on that aspect. It shows teamwork and setting up roles for all different types of characters utilizing strengths and accommodating for weaknesses. Yes, I have had to re-watch, despite re-watching already. So many elements are so subtle. Now I'm like omg is one cour enough to explain all the possible combinations? For now I'll just think they'll run with four things for now: Election, and 3 character dedicated episodes to Michiru, Isara, and Satsuki to resolves portions already shown. I have no idea what it would be for Michiru, while Isara's is a bit more obvious. Satsuki, well, she directly influences the plot (election opponent) so I don't know. It's also interesting how many underhanded or unknown things are going on behind the scenes, and the food research club is totally third party in relation to it. Spoiler:
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2012-07-27, 20:20 | Link #436 |
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It's all very interesting, but with only 13 episodes to play around with, the last half may end up feeling very rushed. Too many interesting stories and concepts being thrown around, too little time to develop them properly.
If this was 26 episodes, then I'd say that the pacing feels just right. But 4 episodes in, out of a total of 13, and the beginning of new character plot-threads is quite a worrying sign, for a one Cour anime. It seems like there's alot of material to go on in the background, enough for 26 episodes, which has to be compressed into 13. For example, I don't even think there is time to explore the relationship between the Yuuki and the Club Adviser, beyond hints. |
2012-07-27, 20:25 | Link #437 |
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To be fair though when it comes to VN's, the character development of the heroines usually start in their own specific stories and not in the "common route".
Spoiler for comparison of the story in general to its relative location in the game:
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2012-07-27, 23:53 | Link #438 |
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Great episode, but seeing Aomi suffer like that is really unfair specially towards someone who has done nothing wrong and get persecuted for unfair selfish reasons. It sucks we don't see enough of Aomi to understand her personality, granted I haven't played the game, but let me get back on this in an anime sense. based on what I've seen/observed.
This episode made it clear that Aomi's a heroine that can be sympathized with because of the way she's horrendously treated because her status at the school. It's clear that she's poor, and works in a factory to maintain an education and provide for her family, and it pains her so much because she'll willingly to put up with this mistreatment for siblings it seems. Just watching her at the end, accompanied by dramatic music, during the episode really just kills me inside, and I really hope that she'll have the courage to ask for help and for someone to help her get through this. All and all, excellent episode, don't care much for politics but the campaign is going smoothly for Oojima and the rest of the club members...for now, but Aomi I hope someone helps her. People can be cruel especially towards those who work hard for a noble goal and because of one's status. I know it's to add drama for the series, but she doesn't deserve this.
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2012-07-28, 12:00 | Link #440 |
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I had little time but still manage to watch it and still manage to comment and made a review of it. The episode itself is fun with still the election campaign in full throttle with the different strategy to won over the voters and different means to fund the campaign. I liked that part but the one I liked the most is their is more to Satsuki's manifesto and a hidden (a bit) of darkness into the story.
Bullying. One thing that totally pisses me of. The last part with the girls and the middle part with the boys pisses me of. The guys saying bad things and the girls even doing such physical harassment. That angers me and also the end part with her in the corridor. That's really sad.... it hits my heart that I even think of playing the game (if not for it being a moon rune game -_-) I want to see next episode on how will he handle this new hurdle to his campaign as a president because his initial reason to stop the disbandment of club seems shallow for me and I will full on support Shinonome-san on her goal.
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