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And even with all those facts backing this notion there was something fishy about it (hence the large amount of theories that had him as someone else, anyone else) until his true identity became painfully obvious -although if memory serve you were among those quite adamant he couldn't possibly be Obito even when no other answer made sense. Long story short, the readers didn't believe him outright (in fact the most popular first guess was Obito until it stopped making sense), had to be worked over quite hard to buy it and even then invented complicated stories to try to make sense of it all because the mere " Tobi is Madara" made none. Quote:
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2012-10-28, 12:45 | Link #102 | ||
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2012-10-28, 13:24 | Link #103 | |
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As it is, Obito know longer uses the Zetsu body (he stopped around the time of the Minato fight), so even if it did improve his intelligence for a time it is no longer working with his body so his intelligence should be back to it's original levels. |
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2012-10-28, 13:42 | Link #104 | ||
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also, just to clarify, i'm saying obito is smarter after this apparent merging with zetsu, not while he's wearing spiral zetsu. while wearing zetsu he is talking and learning from zetsu like another person. as tobi they are combined into some weird being i think |
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2012-10-28, 13:47 | Link #105 | ||
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2012-10-28, 13:58 | Link #106 | ||
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i disagree. just look at his appearance. when obito speaks with young nagato and yahiko he is clearly wearing the spiral zetsu suit. when he invades konoha a few pages later he looks like normal tobi with the black suit and no zetsu armor. something changed between those 2 versions of obito we just haven't been told exactly what it was. my theory is that he merged with spiral zetsu to make himself more powerful and smarter |
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LOL, You're right . Admittedly, it was based off of your idea that Obito was somehow smarter with the "spiral zetsu" (which in turn would mean that there is some baseline intelligence that was enhanced). Quote:
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Madara had the plan, Obito followed it. End of story. Quote:
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2012-10-28, 15:43 | Link #109 | |
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At the time when Tobi was "revealed" to be Madara, I distinctly remember everyone immediately believing it. |
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2012-10-28, 16:37 | Link #110 | ||
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I think that the only thing that gives a chance for these theories is if Kishimoto wants the young Obito to come back and turn against Madara. For that it would be a good plot device that Tobito somehow breaks off some part of his body that contains Madara's will embedded into those Zetsu-Hashirama-cells and then magically turns into a guy who is very very sorry for what he did until now and sacrifices himself to save Kakashi, happy end and stuff. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-10-28 at 16:49. |
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2012-10-28, 17:59 | Link #111 |
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You distinctly remember that wrong then. In fact a large amount of people thought he wasn't even claiming to be Madara at first because of a mistranslation that made Tobi look like he was talking about Madara's power at the 3rd person. It wasn't before the aftermath of Itachi and Sasuke's fight that most people started to accept it and even then it was within limits (ie a Madara clone, Mara's mind in someone else body, etc.) with a large minority who never believed it and always thought he was someone else with dozens of different theories.
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2012-10-28, 18:17 | Link #113 | |
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That being said, I pointed out last week several instances where I felt Obito already "bungled" the plan (the Kyuubi's inefficient release, and the Uchiha massacre (specifically, the harvesting of eyes)), so it's not like Obito has necessarily been a complete straight shooter since his "death". |
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2012-10-28, 19:59 | Link #114 | |
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as far as the uchiha massacre, i think you're eluding to your idea of tobi keeping the uchiha as eye producing slaves. that doesn't really seem necessary when he was able to gather literally hundreds of eyes for his enormous wall collection. how many does he really need? he didn't even come close to using all of the ones he does have and keeping a race of slaves poses certain risks and issues that don't seem necessary to take |
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2012-10-28, 21:24 | Link #115 |
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^I'm not talking about Obito losing, I'm talking about him fighting at all. Whether he could win the battle or not does not matter. His mission was the Kyuubi, not Konoha's destructuon, and he failed the mission magnificently (seemingly due to his emotions or simple incompetence).
As for his wall of eyes...considering the power of the eyes, why should he waste any? Especially if he wants to be able to use Izanagi or Izanami whenever he requires. Additionally, if the MS are trully unique, then it only makes sense to try and accquire as much power as possible. |
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2012-10-28, 22:47 | Link #117 | ||
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Edit: to speculate, it is possible that Obito killed the clan in order to prevent an MS from breaking the eternal Tsukuyomi (since only an MS can break a Tsukuyomi...well an MS and Sasuke's eyes) Last edited by james0246; 2012-10-29 at 00:20. |
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2012-10-28, 23:09 | Link #118 |
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^i really like your idea of framing another village for the kyuubi's theft and pitting them up against each other. interestingly enough, obito's plan seems to be to get all the villages to work together though. given the amount of retcons with flashbacks like the obito minato fight, certain things just have to jive with what already happened too, which isn't the character obito's fault, it's more on kishi if that even makes sense lol
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2012-10-30, 14:11 | Link #120 |
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The spiral zetsu merged with obito theory is good, but there is nothing really to support it....tobi acting like a idiot just seems like a convenient cover as to not draw any attention or suspicion..
I think a more logical theory as to what happened to spiral zetsu, is sasuke and orochimaru are heading his way to have a lil talk right now...he does "know the truth", or however oro put it to sasuke. |
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