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Old 2021-11-13, 12:47   Link #1501
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I’m looking at 5th circuit’s declaration that covid isn’t a public interest, and once again I am going to reiterate: they don’t need secrets. They’ll just do what they want and get away with it.

This is also a preview on how Bannon’s trial will go

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Old 2021-11-27, 19:40   Link #1502
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UK, Germany and Italy detect Omicron variant cases, Israel closes borders
https://www.reuters.com/world/concer...ca-2021-11-27/
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Britain, Germany and Italy detected cases of the new Omicron coronavirus variant on Saturday and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new steps to contain the virus, while more nations imposed restrictions on travel from southern Africa.

The discovery of the variant has sparked global concern, a wave of travel bans or curbs and a sell-off on financial markets on Friday as investors worried that Omicron could stall a global recovery from the nearly two-year pandemic.
Explainer: How worried should we be about the Omicron variant?
https://www.reuters.com/world/how-wo...nt-2021-11-27/
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But the new variant has over 30 mutations in the part of the virus that current vaccines target. It is also suspected of driving a spike in new infections in South Africa.

Omicron's mutations are likely to render certain COVID-19 treatments - including some manufactured antibodies - ineffective, said Dr. David Ho, professor of microbiology and immunology at Columbia University.
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Old 2021-11-28, 09:56   Link #1503
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Yeah, it does seem a potent enough variant to displace the delta that's currently going around.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...led-by-omicron
From the head of an ICU in Johannesburg:

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We’re seeing a marked change in the demographic profile of patients with Covid-19. Young people, in their 20s to just over their late 30s, are coming in with moderate to severe disease, some needing intensive care.
If that's actually the picture going forward, then yeah we should be worried. It hasn't been a particularly devastating pandemic, because the virus has so far given clemency to young people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr-v-bT8X38&t=0s
The doctor that first raised the alarm about this variant doesn't seem to think it's a big deal, though.

She's also saying it's in younger people, but most cases are mild. so it could already have spread everywhere unnoticed.

It makes sense that a doctor in an administrative position isn't going to be as intimidated as the one running an ICU.

Not that we can do much to stop this anyway, so I'd just wait for more data to come out.
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Old 2021-11-29, 14:25   Link #1504
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Five symptoms that we know so far of the Omicron variant.

• Patients infected by the Omicron variant have complained of ‘scratchy throat’
• The affected patients have shown extreme tiredness, which is not limited to any age group
• There has been no noted cases of severe drop in oxygen saturation levels
• According to doctors, most patients who were infected have recovered without hospitalizations
• The patients have also not reported any loss of taste or smell
Probably not the complete list but does not seem to be as bad as the delta variant as of yet. No need to panic, for now.
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Old 2021-11-29, 16:48   Link #1505
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Probably not the complete list but does not seem to be as bad as the delta variant as of yet. No need to panic, for now.
It's still early so going to comclusion now would be premature. As you said, no need to panic now but bieng more careful might not be a bad idea.
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Old 2021-11-30, 09:18   Link #1506
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... no need to panic now ...
I keep getting early 2020 flashbacks every time I read this all over the media, like, we have already been there. We know deep down this is going to be bad and next year again we will have first world countries fighting for vaccine lots like jackals over a dead carcass. This year word of the year was vaccine, next year will be triage.
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Old 2021-11-30, 14:23   Link #1507
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I keep getting early 2020 flashbacks every time I read this all over the media, like, we have already been there. We know deep down this is going to be bad and next year again we will have first world countries fighting for vaccine lots like jackals over a dead carcass. This year word of the year was vaccine, next year will be triage.
When I said than it wasn't time to panic, it'S because decission taken by panic are while fast, often off the mark. It been 2 years since the start of the pandemic, there is no excuse for improvisation this time.

A question, is the boosters shot that some country are implementing still simply a shot the regular vaccine or they did end up producing than work better against the delta variant?
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Old 2021-11-30, 17:34   Link #1508
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...they did end up producing than work better against the delta variant?
One pharma company (I think Moderna) has already promised a vaccine for omicron shipped in a hundred days, atm they only are suggesting more frequent boosters and/or bigger dosage to old and young alike.

The thing is, a hundred days is enough for a new wave. Heck, even without omicron, with vaccination rates lower than 70% many countries are cruising full speed towards the same scenario we are seeing in Germany atm.

We are reaping what we sow:

1) Vaccinations rates lower than 80% even in countries with enough jabs for everyone.
2) Unhealthy lifestyles. We already know being overweight, diabetic and/or with high blood pressure puts us at risk, but we are not seeing neither individual nor government efforts to tackle this issues.
3) We wanted to have our cake and eat it, the pandemic is not over but everyone wants to "reopen the economy". First it was the UK, now south africa and who knows from where a new "variant of interest" will pop up later on but airplanes keep moving people all over the world. Remember, healthy people can carry the virus even if they show no symptoms.
4) Irresponsible behavior. For every person I see outside wearing a face mask, there is one that doesn't.

If this was a movie where God was testing humanity's worth, he would be facepalming right now.
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Old 2021-11-30, 19:24   Link #1509
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Probably not the complete list but does not seem to be as bad as the delta variant as of yet. No need to panic, for now.
Tell that to the stock market. Gosh, I hate this blanket of red numbers...
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Old 2021-12-01, 09:58   Link #1510
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If this was a movie where God was testing humanity's worth, he would be facepalming right now.

Or it's more like
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Old 2021-12-01, 14:10   Link #1511
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Tell that to the stock market. Gosh, I hate this blanket of red numbers...
Not to diminish this but it wasn't that long ago when a thousand point drop over a week was an economic disaster, now the market is so large that it is only a few percent.
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Old 2021-12-02, 04:45   Link #1512
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Tell that to the stock market. Gosh, I hate this blanket of red numbers...
People are broke and have less disposable income.
They also realize how exploited they are.
This year's black friday sales seem to agree with that

..and there's also market manipulation

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From Dove To Hawk: J Powell Slaughters Dip Buyers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKKw...ckofWallStreet
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Old 2021-12-02, 18:15   Link #1513
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*reads news about new clusters or possibilities of one*

...And that's why you watch anime, stay at home, and stop taking 1 step back every time you take 2 steps forward.
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Old 2021-12-03, 21:11   Link #1514
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Do we really want to keep dealing with Covid mutation flavor of the week forever? If we don't contain this at some point and actually get it dealt with we're going to keep getting variant after variant as it'll keep on mutating the longer this goes on.
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Old 2021-12-04, 06:40   Link #1515
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That is the scary thing that was talked about since last year about the mutation, on how it could go through severe changes in just one person and it ends up with completely different symptoms. Back then a theory and now a reality. Most would be harmless but now and then there will be exceptions like Omicron. Australia gave up on containment and even New Zealand which did so well earlier in the year no longer has zero or even close to that active cases. Humans will have to live with it and mutations will have a bigger probability than gacha rolls.
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Old 2021-12-04, 06:57   Link #1516
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Do we really want to keep dealing with Covid mutation flavor of the week forever? If we don't contain this at some point and actually get it dealt with we're going to keep getting variant after variant as it'll keep on mutating the longer this goes on.
At this point I don't know if it can even be contained outside of unrealistic mesure. I hope than I am mistaken but, the window when it was possible of containing it, when it was only in one country, is way pass.
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Old 2021-12-04, 11:40   Link #1517
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If we don't contain this at some point and actually get it dealt with we're going to keep getting variant after variant as it'll keep on mutating the longer this goes on.
Containment is not in the cards anymore (and you can't search in the discard pile). Biden already said it, atm travel bans will only buy time in hopes of an updated vaccine.

Long term the only solution is getting everyone in the world vaccinated (or isolate those countries that cant/wont). The biggest problem is that 1/3 of the population that bought into the FUD and wont get their jabs.
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BTW, they found the cause of blood clots in AztraZeneca vaccine, it is a 4 in a million chance and like I thought, it is the immune system targetting poor platelets, but it is not white blood cells like I thought, but red blood cells doing it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59418123
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Old 2021-12-04, 19:20   Link #1518
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In theory, the virus should over time evolve to the point where the dominant strains are more transmissible and less severe. Again in theory, Omicron could be such a mutation, which might mean it's a net positive in the end. But it's way too early to say.
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Old 2021-12-04, 19:44   Link #1519
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In theory, the virus should over time evolve to the point where the dominant strains are more transmissible and less severe. Again in theory, Omicron could be such a mutation, which might mean it's a net positive in the end. But it's way too early to say.
That's exactly what's discussed here:
https://www.cityam.com/from-covid-cu...elta-mutation/

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Excitement is growing among Coronavirus experts in Southern Africa and around the world as it increasingly seems that the new Omicron variant is rapidly replacing the much more deadly Delta mutation.

Experts are so ecstatic because it seems more and more that the Omicron variant is much more contagious and dominant than Delta, but also much milder and less deadly.

Some experts are therefore even urging countries to drop restrictions and let Omicron spread so the more infectious but less severe variant can kill off Delta quicker.
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Old 2021-12-04, 19:51   Link #1520
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In theory, the virus should over time evolve to the point where the dominant strains are more transmissible and less severe. Again in theory, Omicron could be such a mutation, which might mean it's a net positive in the end. But it's way too early to say.
There is also the possibility that by the time the virus reaches such a stage, it would have killed a sizeable share of the human population, let's not forget hat the bubonic plague killed in Europe between 25% to 60% of the population; even 10% would be quite apocalyptic imo.
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