To Aru Majutsu no Index - Character Discussion - Kamijo Touma

[Essa Maneira]

does Touma's Imagine Breaker will be unlimits his body range from his right hand to his whole body? i think that is very dangerous...
and his name has its meaning...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by hero147

Oh God- I just realized that almost all shonen heroes have spiky hair. :O

Originally Posted by Zakoo

That gives the badass look.

Not the point I was trying to make, but sure why not.

Originally Posted by Essa Maneira

does Touma's Imagine Breaker will be unlimits his body range from his right hand to his whole body? i think that is very dangerous...
and his name has its meaning...

For now, there is significantly more meaning to have it limited to only his Right Hand.

Because the symbolism of the [Right Hand] ranks VERY high up in the Toaruverse.

[Kenta Maebara]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

1) Ichigo isn't that bad, its the plot he's in that screws him over. Now comparing Touma to Naruto is blasphemy.
2) His morals make sense. He is probably one of the most fair shounen heroes ever. He has the right hand but its only useful against magic. If someone with great martial arts skills fought him(kanzaki,tschumikado) he'd definitely lose. Any other shounens win cuz of their superpowers,and flying,and spells,and magic,and saying gay quotes.
3)Protecting enemies?Not exactly, agnese is an ex-enemy. He said this “Next time, if Agnese asks me for help, I should help her. She was coincidentally the bad guy this time. Being a bad guy once doesn’t mean she’ll be a bad guy forever.” Good quote.
4)Spotlight stealer? Not all the time, but he IS the main character.
5)IB and getsuga tenshou are different. IB is MUCH stronger! No not really, though to say it in a way i'll say it like this. Its law is to negate all supernatural powers. That and the explanations for example 2. It has alot of disadvantages.
6)Spiky Hair. So what?
7) He's is oblivious a bit but does have those moments with girls. He aint gay or dislike women. Besides if he had a girlfriend that early in the story the rest of the story would be less awesome. Harems are always funny.
8) power ups? Can't say its a power up but its something that has always been there.

Pretty much sums up Touma. As a plus to being an idealistic human, he's also a practically normal human being (aside from the Imagine Breaker); as fit as any fit teenager, with no "special powers" like flying or whatnot.

Touma's an awesome shounen hero overall. ^_^

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kenta Maebara

Pretty much sums up Touma. As a plus to being an idealistic human, he's also a practically normal human being (aside from the Imagine Breaker); as fit as any fit teenager, with no "special powers" like flying or whatnot.

Touma's an awesome shounen hero overall. ^_^

There's a slight difference when it comes to Touma, I don't feel right just lumping him with the rest of the crowd. I don't blame people when they do because I myself find it hard to explain the reasons given my limited comprehension skills

But I think this sums up my opinion nicely.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

He's idealistic, and expresses his beliefs pronouncedly, but he's neither delusional nor jaded.

His lengthy tirade is medium for him to express his anger over the enemy, but he never actually tries to be a preacher of his own ideals, especially towards his allies.

His characterisation during his normal moments are descriptively average, but it's nice that he's a person who can be honest and gets along well with a lot of people.

He's surprisingly earnest about the strangest things. ( learning English to talk to RCC and God's Right Seat. )

He's simplistic, but not ignorant. He simply chooses to have faith. ( in people, generally. )

He's as relatable as he is unrelatable. There's both the element of Accelerator's hero-worship as well as Touma's own self-acknowledgement of his human limits ( and thus, doing what one can to their best ) in his portrayal as a character to the readers.

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Yeah, I understand what you mean.

Basically,he is idealistic: He believes that people are good.

However, he also acknowledges that no one is perfect, showing he is not blinded and sees both the good and the bad.

What makes Touma great is actually sorta hard to pin down.

He's not an idiot, but neither is he super intelligent. -relatable

His power is amazing, but also very limited, so he is not gambreaker or super weak

He rises to challenges as best he can, and then wont let go (there is a reason most shounen heroes are deterinators to some degree. Its an admirable trait)

He'll try to do what he can by himself, but neither does he try to take it all on himself if he can help it.

The only time he ever insisted on doing something by himself was when he faced Accelerator alone, for which he had very good reasons. As far as he knew, it would've been pointless if anybody helped.

He is always striving for the best solution, not just for himself, but his enemies too; a lot of which have a rather messed up view of the world.

Weather by contridictory or refusal to aknowldge things, he helps them realize that and find a better way. But the way he does that doesn't come off all that strangely. In your mind, it makes sense.

So when someone asks why i/we admire him this is why.

His speeches. Though people hate that part or get bored of it, if u listen you go"wow he's not really wrong."

Take this as an example, accelerator and touma fight again

Spoiler for why?:

cuz accelerator has to save last order from dying, along the way he sees touma and since he's already angry he's wondering why the guy he admires isn't doing anything and heres how it went down.

"However, the empty shell that his heart has turned into shakes.
The reason being the face of a man sitting in one of the vehicles.
It is the face of the man that defeated Accelerator back in Academy City’s cargo area- the face of the man that stopped the "Experiment", froze the Level 6 Shift project permanently, and saved 10,000 Sisters. No matter the situation, he will step up to help those in need. Regardless of how despairing the situation is, he’ll hold his hand out to save those who have nowhere left to go; that’s the kind of man he is.
This guy should still be in Academy City.
Why is he in Russia?
And,
That Hero,
The Hero who is completely different to the half-assed Number One of Academy City, the one who can save people perfectly,
Why does he not see Last Order who’s in pain so close to him, and just passes by like nothing?
Unknowingly, Accelerator roars out with all his might.
At the same time, he manipulates the vectors to throw at the convoy a large boulder buried under the snow. The large vehicle’s back end gets popped open like a balloon, and the convoy stops. Accelerator knows that what he’s doing right now, asking that person to do something he himself has given up on, is unreasonable.
But,
“…Aren’t you the Hero that saved the Sisters? The one that saved almost 10,000 people by his own strength, that true Hero?”
From the large vehicle that got blown away, this man jumps out.
This man appears to have noticed Accelerator who has grown black wings.
“If so, then save that brat’s life!! Why must only that brat, who has done nothing wrong, have to suffer so much!?”
Accompanying that roar, the black wings grow even larger.
He knows that he himself is in the wrong.
Even if he understands, he can no longer hold his own power back.
Not even Last Order's smile that symbolizes everything pure and good can stop him. Due to his colossal anger, the battle against the Number One of Academy City, the monster who has surpassed his limits, has started."

and then

Spoiler for and then:

“Why!! Why didn’t anyone save that brat!! Aren’t you a hero! The hero that stopped that ‘Experiment’ with only one fist!! Then go save her! If you can do what no one else can, then you can definitely save that brat!!”
Accompanying the roar, an even larger power surged through the black wings.
At the same time, something that was crumbling in his heart started to fall to pieces.
He can no longer stop.
Even the action of remembering Last Order’s smile can no longer stop the violence.
“It’s ridiculous that a villain who was no better than a piece of shit like me was guarding her!! No matter how you think about it something must have been wrong!! How could I possibly be a hero!! No matter what, I can only choose the blood-stained path!! Why do I have to do all these things!! If a hero like you had shown up earlier, then something like this mix-up of position wouldn’t have happened!! That brat would not had to have suffered as much this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
While the two exchanged blows between fist and wings, the Level 0 probably didn’t know why it turned out this way either. Accelerator himself probably didn’t know what he wants to say, just air passing through his lips, no one else should be able to understand him.
Instantly, both of them went silent.
They moved their gaze towards the small girl collapsed on the ground.
Then,
The black wings swelled up even more than before.
The pair of wings split into over a hundred, and attacked the Level 0 from all angles.
At the same time where the sound of explosions and shockwaves run rampant, the ground starts to tremble dully.
“(He should be dead now… it’s impossible for him not be.)”
Accelerator thought.
It’s impossible for that not to be the case.
Even so,
“Why…”
Accelerator lets out a sound that’s almost like a groan.
In the end it turned into a mighty roar.
“Why couldn’t a hero like you just die?! If you die, then everything can finally break apaaaaaaaaaaart!!!!!!!!!!!!”
He heard the reply.
Right in front of him, the teenager that clenched the blood-covered fist spoke:
“… things like heroes are unnecessary.”
Footsteps rang out on the snow.
Fist and wings collided.
The air shook, many attacks have impacted, and blood flew out.
“Does a Level 0 like me really seem that incredible?! Hero? Villain? Stop kidding around! Can’t you save someone if you’re not standing at that spot?! In front of your eyes are people that don’t wish to cry that are crying! In front of your eyes are people that can only clench their teeth while struggling and can’t even say the words ‘please save me’! Is that not enough!! Just step up already!! You don’t need special positions or reasons!! With these, you can step up and be a shield for them!!” After letting out those words, the Level 0 became stronger.
Those words aren’t just directed to Accelerator.
His words have also slashed away his own confused feelings.
“I don’t know what you’re trying to protect, nor do I know what you have been hurt by. But, if you want to protect that child then do so with your chest held high!! Here and now, be proud in knowing that you are protecting her!! This is your life right? Then decide for yourself!! If you want to protect everything with your hands then do so, if you want to abandon everything then do so. But, what do you yourself want to do right now?! Can you really be satisfied giving someone else that you don’t really understand your most important thing?!”

[Kenta Maebara]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

So when someone asks why i/we admire him this is why.

His speeches. Though people hate that part or get bored of it, if u listen you go"wow he's not really wrong."

Take this as an example, accelerator and touma fight again

Spoiler for why?:

cuz accelerator has to save last order from dying, along the way he sees touma and since he's already angry he's wondering why the guy he admires isn't doing anything and heres how it went down.

"However, the empty shell that his heart has turned into shakes.
The reason being the face of a man sitting in one of the vehicles.
It is the face of the man that defeated Accelerator back in Academy City’s cargo area- the face of the man that stopped the "Experiment", froze the Level 6 Shift project permanently, and saved 10,000 Sisters. No matter the situation, he will step up to help those in need. Regardless of how despairing the situation is, he’ll hold his hand out to save those who have nowhere left to go; that’s the kind of man he is.
This guy should still be in Academy City.
Why is he in Russia?
And,
That Hero,
The Hero who is completely different to the half-assed Number One of Academy City, the one who can save people perfectly,
Why does he not see Last Order who’s in pain so close to him, and just passes by like nothing?
Unknowingly, Accelerator roars out with all his might.
At the same time, he manipulates the vectors to throw at the convoy a large boulder buried under the snow. The large vehicle’s back end gets popped open like a balloon, and the convoy stops. Accelerator knows that what he’s doing right now, asking that person to do something he himself has given up on, is unreasonable.
But,
“…Aren’t you the Hero that saved the Sisters? The one that saved almost 10,000 people by his own strength, that true Hero?”
From the large vehicle that got blown away, this man jumps out.
This man appears to have noticed Accelerator who has grown black wings.
“If so, then save that brat’s life!! Why must only that brat, who has done nothing wrong, have to suffer so much!?”
Accompanying that roar, the black wings grow even larger.
He knows that he himself is in the wrong.
Even if he understands, he can no longer hold his own power back.
Not even Last Order's smile that symbolizes everything pure and good can stop him. Due to his colossal anger, the battle against the Number One of Academy City, the monster who has surpassed his limits, has started."

and then

Spoiler for and then:

“Why!! Why didn’t anyone save that brat!! Aren’t you a hero! The hero that stopped that ‘Experiment’ with only one fist!! Then go save her! If you can do what no one else can, then you can definitely save that brat!!”
Accompanying the roar, an even larger power surged through the black wings.
At the same time, something that was crumbling in his heart started to fall to pieces.
He can no longer stop.
Even the action of remembering Last Order’s smile can no longer stop the violence.
“It’s ridiculous that a villain who was no better than a piece of shit like me was guarding her!! No matter how you think about it something must have been wrong!! How could I possibly be a hero!! No matter what, I can only choose the blood-stained path!! Why do I have to do all these things!! If a hero like you had shown up earlier, then something like this mix-up of position wouldn’t have happened!! That brat would not had to have suffered as much this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
While the two exchanged blows between fist and wings, the Level 0 probably didn’t know why it turned out this way either. Accelerator himself probably didn’t know what he wants to say, just air passing through his lips, no one else should be able to understand him.
Instantly, both of them went silent.
They moved their gaze towards the small girl collapsed on the ground.
Then,
The black wings swelled up even more than before.
The pair of wings split into over a hundred, and attacked the Level 0 from all angles.
At the same time where the sound of explosions and shockwaves run rampant, the ground starts to tremble dully.
“(He should be dead now… it’s impossible for him not be.)”
Accelerator thought.
It’s impossible for that not to be the case.
Even so,
“Why…”
Accelerator lets out a sound that’s almost like a groan.
In the end it turned into a mighty roar.
“Why couldn’t a hero like you just die?! If you die, then everything can finally break apaaaaaaaaaaart!!!!!!!!!!!!”
He heard the reply.
Right in front of him, the teenager that clenched the blood-covered fist spoke:
“… things like heroes are unnecessary.”
Footsteps rang out on the snow.
Fist and wings collided.
The air shook, many attacks have impacted, and blood flew out.
“Does a Level 0 like me really seem that incredible?! Hero? Villain? Stop kidding around! Can’t you save someone if you’re not standing at that spot?! In front of your eyes are people that don’t wish to cry that are crying! In front of your eyes are people that can only clench their teeth while struggling and can’t even say the words ‘please save me’! Is that not enough!! Just step up already!! You don’t need special positions or reasons!! With these, you can step up and be a shield for them!!” After letting out those words, the Level 0 became stronger.
Those words aren’t just directed to Accelerator.
His words have also slashed away his own confused feelings.
“I don’t know what you’re trying to protect, nor do I know what you have been hurt by. But, if you want to protect that child then do so with your chest held high!! Here and now, be proud in knowing that you are protecting her!! This is your life right? Then decide for yourself!! If you want to protect everything with your hands then do so, if you want to abandon everything then do so. But, what do you yourself want to do right now?! Can you really be satisfied giving someone else that you don’t really understand your most important thing?!”

I'll never get tired of Touma's speeches. Compared to other shounen heroes (Shounen Jump, I'm looking at you >_<), the way Touma expresses his morals & beliefs are so idealistically true it makes readers want to understand the words he's saying. It's almost as if his words are directed at all the cruelty and "truth" in the real world we all must endure in.

[eiyuu99]

With his words and Right Hand, Touma kills the illusions people cling on.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kenta Maebara

I'll never get tired of Touma's speeches. Compared to other shounen heroes (Shounen Jump, I'm looking at you >_<), the way Touma expresses his morals & beliefs are so idealistically true it makes readers want to understand the words he's saying. It's almost as if his words are directed at all the cruelty and "truth" in the real world we all must endure in.

Exactly this. Touma's speeches hold more meaning than most to the point that it's refreshing to read after a long day.

[Essa Maneira]

if Touma was on "Virus Code" episode, it is easy to cancelled the multiplying viruses in Misaka 20001's body(was it made by an esper?)

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by Essa Maneira

if Touma was on "Virus Code" episode, it is easy to cancelled the multiplying viruses in Misaka 20001's body(was it made by an esper?)

I doubt because it's computer code in LO's brain. Not an Esper thing.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kenta Maebara

I'll never get tired of Touma's speeches. Compared to other shounen heroes (Shounen Jump, I'm looking at you >_<), the way Touma expresses his morals & beliefs are so idealistically true it makes readers want to understand the words he's saying. It's almost as if his words are directed at all the cruelty and "truth" in the real world we all must endure in.

Originally Posted by eiyuu99

With his words and Right Hand, Touma kills the illusions people cling on.

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Exactly this. Touma's speeches hold more meaning than most to the point that it's refreshing to read after a long day.

Wow, you guys really give him alot of credit huh...

An interesting topic that nobody seems to bring up is that for a 16-17 years old adolescent teenage boy, Touma have a very firm grasp of concept and his beliefs. No matter what his enemy says, they can never confuse or shake him or make him question himself.

How many of you can say that when you're 16?

[tsunade666]

his confused before. When he still had his past memories and when he confronted index life threatening problem. He also run away first but decided to come back and save her. He had doubts but when he lost his memories.

He also loose that part of him and he doesn't have any doubts on who's to save and what to do. He only needs to save the one in front of him even if his enemy is the world itself.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

his confused before. When he still had his past memories and when he confronted index life threatening problem. He also run away first but decided to come back and save her. He had doubts but when he lost his memories.

He also loose that part of him and he doesn't have any doubts on who's to save and what to do. He only needs to save the one in front of him even if his enemy is the world itself.

Yeah, but it still doesn't change my point. In fact it further adds to it- Even after losing his memories he's still very certain of his own beliefs.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Wow, you guys really give him alot of credit huh...

An interesting topic that nobody seems to bring up is that for a 16-17 years old adolescent teenage boy, Touma have a very firm grasp of concept and his beliefs. No matter what his enemy says, they can never confuse or shake him or make him question himself.

How many of you can say that when you're 16?

Mostly because he just wants a peaceful, normal life for himself and everyone else including his foes? He doesn't seek anything more.

And his speeches are far more uplifting coupled with that simple illusion killing fist than anything else.

[tsunade666]

and that's the point. After the memory lost. He also lost his doubts. His will and beliefs become iron steel. But his not originally like that. It's like when he lost his past he can only look into the future or his present so he doesn't need to had doubts or time to waver anymore.

[eiyuu99]

Losing his memories means the past has no hold on him and he can only strive for the present and/or the future.
Being misfortunate implies he cannot depend on hope or miracle and results mainly come from his efforts.

It's like a "sink or swim" situation for Touma, since the illusion of hope is non-existent for him. =P

[Ritsu026]

Guys I just realized that if there was some power that "steals" other powers it can't be used to absorb Touma's ability. He will just block it. I think that he's really lucky guy. Think about it. Almost every 10 minutes in the anime in front of him is a naked girl. It's true that after this he's punished , but after all I still think he is not so misfortuned as he always says.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

How many of you can say that when you're 16?

Well if you mind typical shounen characters like Sasuke and Naruto... you're right, Touma has very solid beliefs.

[Ritsu026]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Well if you mind typical shounen characters like Sasuke and Naruto... you're right, Touma has very solid beliefs.

Yeah , you're right. His beliefs are probably more stronger than any of the Shounen character's beliefs. He has really strong will and sense of justice. But he's not the same Touma from season 1. In the first season he was confused about his past and many other things with it , but in this season he is more confident and more powerful. Maybe because he was confused about his power in the past.

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by Ritsu026

Yeah , you're right. His beliefs are probably more stronger than any of the Shounen character's beliefs. He has really strong will and sense of justice. But he's not the same Touma from season 1. In the first season he was confused about his past and many other things with it , but in this season he is more confident and more powerful. Maybe because he was confused about his power in the past.

Is it really justice, or just what he believes in?