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[RDNexus]

I think the problem here is that they can't accept the fact Ozpin not only kept such deep secrets from them, but also doesn't have a way to save the world, or at least help others do so.
The girls getting like that is kinda understandable, since they got thrown into all of that all of a sudden and it's been beyond their control for quite a while too.
But Qrow? Yeah, he's cursed and all that, but he should've been better than that and tried to understand Ozpin's position. Well, he's not exactly role model material, right?

And yes, Grimm will surely attack them while resting there. Too much red-herring for it not happening.

[tuckersister]

Maria is the only bystander that know Ozpin's secret and she is taking it very well.

[RDNexus]

Well, she said she needed time to assort what had just been dumped on her, so...
And she may have more to show us than it may seem for now.

Also, by being a bystander, she doesn't have the same bonding with Ozpin like the others have, so it might feel less like it's her business to care about it.

[MeoTwister5]

You know I actually predict that Yang and Blake will finally have that fight in episode 5 due to how similar Oz's revelation and subsequent actions ahev similarities to Blake, specifically how she also held secrets and, in the same vein as Oz locking himself up in Oscars brain, also ran away when shit got real.

So it will likely go in a way that they'll have a discussion in the farmhouse about the events that transpired. Things will get heated, no thanks in particular to Yang. Blake will either try to mediate civility or partially commiserate with Oz. Yang will eventually point out how similar Blake and Oz are in keeping secrets and running away. This strikes a nerve with Blake, not simply because it stings, but because it is partially true. Blake still feels a lot of guilt for her actions, and promptly leaves the farmhouse. Yang doesn't go after her, and it will probably be Weiss who calls her out for her choice of words.

There's going to be a lot of negativity at this point, so I assume there will be some sort of Grimm attack and Blake being missing, Yang goes after her. Everything from there will be beyond my speculation.

[RDNexus]

If things end up going that way (and it sounds plausible enough), Yang might end up finding Blake in a pinch, help her out and the two of them would finally sort things out and all of that.

Gotta wait and see.

[Random Wanderer]

I don't think Yang has room to complain about people keeping important secrets, given that she's keeping secret everything that happened in the vault: including the fact that Raven is the spring maiden.

[Twi]

That'll be a fun one to bring up later.

[JagdPanther]

And the Week and One Day Late Train rolls into Episode 3...

I didn't realize that episode was almost a half an hour. Yikes. Enormous amount of storytelling in there. Definitely one of the most information-packed episodes in the history of this series.

One thing I struggle with is how Oz handled Salem when he first reincarnated. Despite their love, I just kind of feel like maybe you'd be a little bit more concerned about the fact that she clearly has become evil. Like, the appearance isn't giving something away here, buddy? Might want to keep a good eye on where this is all going from the start.

I would've loved to see the daughters end up being older and have the slightest bit of comedy thrown in there of how the hell does a man survive in a house with 5 women including one that is evil? That's like Last Man Standing on heroin there. But, yeah, I kinda see why there wasn't any levity in this episode... Speaking of which, the daughter who had the stuffed dog was insanely cute.

Anyway, one thing I didn't quite get was how Remnant got repopulated. If the Brother of Darkness killed everyone and Salem was literally alone on the planet... does that mean that, basically, she had to wait until humanity basically re-evolved? And that Oz wasn't reincarnated the first time until all that time had passed?

Whatever the case, that was a fascinating episode and really explains a lot of what we've seen, and damn is it dark.

[Dengar]

I understand Ozpin here but I give the girls and Qrow some slack.

"Just follow me, and it will all be okay. I keep secrets for a reason. But trust me, if we follow my plan, we can defeat Salem."

This is something he's been telling countless people, countless times. Of course they will get salty when everything they've worked for turns out to have been a lie.

There's also the fact that clearly he doesn't trust anyone enough to tell them the truth. If you want people to trust you you have to show that you can trust them.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Dengar

There's also the fact that clearly he doesn't trust anyone enough to tell them the truth. If you want people to trust you you have to show that you can trust them.

And here they are, reacting in a way that shows exactly why he didn't trust them.

[Twi]

They wouldn't have reacted that way if he'd been honest from the start. Salem getting the four relics means the end of the world, but she has to work through proxies. If they knew she couldn't be killed, then the end goal would just be to just keep it away by dealing with her proxies until they could find a way to seal her away. Put her back in a tower or something.


The fact that he didn't even mention looking for a way to deal with her outside of killing her was more proof that Oz simply wasn't as infallible as they thought. He'd given up.

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

And here they are, reacting in a way that shows exactly why he didn't trust them.

I assumed that Ozpin at the time, must have tried being honest before. Maybe critically honest, and he must have saw people just get shattered at one part of the truth that Salem is immortal and cannot be killed. And I know people will jump at me, saying the usual that it's no excuse of Oz to hide secrets and blah blah blah. It's not supposed to, the point is that people for some, are going to freak out if their fighting a cause against an enemy who cannot be taken down seemingly. And then they lose whatever strength of heart to fight, and bail or they join Salem. And even if there is a pep talk to keep them going, the fact that Salem can't be dealt with currently is going to constantly weigh on their minds until something causes them to give up. Yang and Qrow could be possibly tempted to do so.


Of course we can't forget that the girls also saw his tragedy. Hopefully they aren't too blind to consider that. Ozpin is frantically searching for a solution, and all the times he clashed with Salem, tried to execute whatever plans to unite people, only to be shut down by Salem has left him jaded and scared to put trust in people, if they're going to bail as soon as he reveals it. There's a lot of things he could have done, but we're in the present now, and Ozpin just didn't end up doing those options whether of he was aware of it or not. Or he had but Salem shoots it down.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I understand Ozpin here but I give the girls and Qrow some slack.

"Just follow me, and it will all be okay. I keep secrets for a reason. But trust me, if we follow my plan, we can defeat Salem."

This is something he's been telling countless people, countless times. Of course they will get salty when everything they've worked for turns out to have been a lie.

When the alternative is Salem literally summoning creatures that could potentially kill everybody, fighting her is the only option, even if it's pointless

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by Endscape

When the alternative is Salem literally summoning creatures that could potentially kill everybody, fighting her is the only option, even if it's pointless

Fighting is the only choice they have. Salem will not stop at anything to achieve her goals, having people divided and scared at the notion of what she is now, if they get her background, she barely needs to do anything to get people freaked out, when they do this to themselves, long enough for Salem and her party to give them a hard time while finding the Relics. If Team RWBY and anyone else fighting her gives up now, they are pretty much screwed. And I do at least anticipate that they do look at the information they just now received and look at it carefully, among other things that Team RWBY has to do to continue. The world they live in is the only home they have, why let Salem continue to stomp on them when they should know(or at least think enough) that what she wants will also end them as well? Of course we haven't heard anything from at least Ruby, Weiss, Maria, and their accounts of Jinn's forcing Oz's backstory, so I'm still interested to hear what they have to say.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

And here they are, reacting in a way that shows exactly why he didn't trust them.

When you repeatedly do shit that makes people angry, don't complain when they get angry.

Originally Posted by Endscape

When the alternative is Salem literally summoning creatures that could potentially kill everybody, fighting her is the only option, even if it's pointless

I'm afraid I don't see how this justifies constantly lying to people and having them fight for you and die for you and treat them as pawns in your little game. Remember that Pyrrha died because of him.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm afraid I don't see how this justifies constantly lying to people and having them fight for you and die for you and treat them as pawns in your little game. Remember that Pyrrha died because of him.

Still waiting for Jaune to lay the smackdown on Ozzy for that.

[bakato]

Fighting Salem is the correct choice. The fact that victory is impossible is a serious downer no matter how you dice it. I doubt Ozpin ever told anyone ever since he learned this and he wasn't wrong to do so. If the only choice is to fight, then does it even matter if there's a chance of winning or not? That said everyone has a right to be upset, but I don't think they were angry for the right reason. Qrow in particular seems upset because he feels cheated and used, but Ozpin wasn't lying when he said Qrow was doing good.

Everyone's butthurt and they need to stop whining.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

And here they are, reacting in a way that shows exactly why he didn't trust them.

Save that for if any of them turn to Salem.

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm afraid I don't see how this justifies constantly lying to people and having them fight for you and die for you and treat them as pawns in your little game. Remember that Pyrrha died because of him.

Ozpin asked them for their help to protect humanity. Every one of them made their choice to devote their lives to that cause. They were never his pawns. Pyrrha died because she was a hero. It had nothing to do with Ozpin.

[RDNexus]

Originally Posted by bakato

Ozpin asked them for their help to protect humanity. Every one of them made their choice to devote their lives to that cause. They were never his pawns. Pyrrha died because she was a hero. It had nothing to do with Ozpin.

But those folks may still pin it all on Ozpin...

[bakato]

Originally Posted by xrick

But those folks may still pin it all on Ozpin...

He was their leader and he did deceive them. He deserves their anger, but their sacrifices were not for nothing.

Also noticed the second opening's lyrics foreshadowed this.

Were we born to fight and die?
Sacrificed for one huge lie?
Are we heroes keeping peace?
Or are we weapons?
Pointed at the enemy
So someone else can claim a victory?

[TheForsaken]

How the heck does Pyrrha's death remotely have anything to do with Ozpin?