2006-08-13, 21:46 | Link #101 | |
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And it seems you also ignored my entire post, I said is the same as Tsuande with her boyfriend Dan, is not that the person will think "Logically"- when HE/She is seen Someone Dying (an Important person none the less) and thinks there is a slim chance of hope, Even if her perception is that he is going to die, HE/She will do anything to try to stop it, even if at the end they fail, that's all. I say is Ironic, -and Im not going to start this debate again-, Because, In mY Opinion A medic Nin that can Make an eye transplant but can't tell weather someone can survive or not, is just funny - I don't care how difficult it is for someone to tell that (which it seems is not), I don't care if Making an eye transplant is something teach at the Academy. And I don't agree that "Rin most probably does not have the qualifications to make the best-case judgement" that's your opinion, not mine.
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2006-08-13, 22:13 | Link #102 | |
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2006-08-13, 22:28 | Link #103 | |
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Yeah, Lets forget that Rin was a Medic nin in a time of war,- telling if someone was going to die, or make desisions based on Life or death situations must have been something new for Rin when she saw Obito dying. because Dying is so strange in a war Nothing concrete supports your opinion, neither supports mine, Because thats how much we know about Rin and her expertise. also we know too little about the chances of Survival of a person that half his body is destroyed (that could be 50% chances of Survival as it could be 0%). And Just because Rin was a Chunin Does not means she was mediocre/bellow average at Medic Nin- like Sakura a Chunnin, for Example. even if Tsunade is Sakura Teacher, She is still a Chunnin.
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2006-08-13, 22:49 | Link #104 |
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That rock slide could of been the same if not a similar situation to Lee's. Where not even Tsunade felt that she could do much to help. The medical ninjas detected right away that there was nothing they could do for Lee, so maybe Rin knew that there was nothing she could do for Obito. Plus as already stated this was a war, and they were in the middle of a battle at the time. At most all she could do is emergency treaty, so anything else was futile.
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2006-08-13, 23:03 | Link #105 | |
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Once Again Is not my position to talk about what Could have been done, what Could not be done, And what was tough about it, Im merely commenting on how I found Ironic(Or/and Funny) that An Open Heart Surgeon can transplant a Heart, but can't tell that Smoking can cause Heart Failures. Adn precisley been at war, Rin should had supposse to be prepared to do this type of Treaties, but that another story which I could care less about.
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2006-08-13, 23:31 | Link #106 |
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u gotta take in consideration that its harder to take any neccessary steps on a friend thats wounded then a person that means nothing to you. we all know that a doctor doing an operation/surgery on his/her relative is a difficult procedure and one that is diffucult to overcome emotionally. the same would go for Rin as she was not only very young to be figuring out what she can do. She seemed like the type to only follow orders as she did exactly what obito said/ordered (eye transplant) and cried. Its obvious being in that state of emotional distress she wasnt thinking straight and didnt think with a clear head on the situation she was in. Also it was her first time in war (?) and that could mean much more difficult to cope with on-the-stop decisions. if she received any training for situations such as this well you dont learn from then unless you actually experience them as in Rins or anyones else case for that matther... both in this world and narutos'.
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2006-08-14, 09:35 | Link #107 | |
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As There a re people who found Funny that Naruto won a fight by Farting in the face of his enemy. And you don’t see me questioning the perception on people about this. Each one of you, Sazelyt, cheese4u and You, have made good an valid points to explain what could had happened, but still, I find it funny. Tell me would you find it funny/Ironic/Sad that a Doctor could cure you of a Flu, but he can’t tell what causes Flu? Aslo it was not her first time of the batlefield given that it was a era of War, and she was a Chunin.
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2006-08-14, 10:50 | Link #108 |
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you guys are thinking too hard. there is certainly a reason why Kishi most gradually brings an unknown character, whom Kishi is well aware resembles Kakashi's best friend. There is no need to discuss Rin, she isn't in akatsuki.
Yondaime is dead.... there is no point in talking about him now either with regard to him being the leader of the akatsuki. The Uchiha Madara background however, im sure that has relevence in terms of Itachi's purpose in Akatsuki. It would be interesting for Tobi to be Obito because that would create a whole new arc to why he is back and what does he want. Im sure he would have to settle something with kakashi and that would be interesting to see. If the Uchiha Madara thing is true, Then obito coming back would be perfect. Im sure Sasuke could achieve MS ... Obito most probably has it, and of course, Itachi. The plot thickens.. (Does anybody have alink to a picture with YONDAIME'S TEAM when he was a kid? jiraiya taught him.. but i heard a few people say that they saw yondaime and his team mates.. i remember seeing them too buh if anybody could post a link, it would be appreciated.) |
2006-08-14, 12:44 | Link #112 |
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The original and main plot is based around the fourth hokage sacrificing himself to make himself the hero of the village . and also to make naruto the new hero to protect the village. It would make perfect sense to say that Yondaime is dead and Uchiha Obito could possibly be Tobi.
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2006-08-14, 13:21 | Link #113 |
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Funny thing about all of this is that there are more reasons why Tobi could be Obito. To say someone is simply dead, IMHO, is farfetched in a manga, especially when all it takes is a will to do so, otherwise. The 4th is a whole other story. There's always a possibility that the 4th is alive. I don't think he is though, for the story's sake and the general foundation of what Naruto [story] is built off of. Time after time, it's been mentioned that first off, his name, Tobi, is a play on Obito. It's not uncommon to add or drop letters when making a play on names. For instance,
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In this case, a letter is dropped. I have my own reasons why this could be Obito. For example, O's can be generally seen as eyes. So, since Obito has only one eye, you drop one O. Second, like it has been repeated so many times, the eye hole that is opened on Tobi's mask is where Obito's remaining eye is. I'd hate to see how Obito would look now (if he isn't dead), so I guess that mask is necessary. Correct me if I'm wrong, also, but isn't he, next to the "leader" and chick (because we haven't been formally introduced), the only known AKAT member that doesn't seem to have a previous affiliation? How convenient! The truth is, there are too many coincidences and conveniences. Hell, when making up a story like Naruto, to have a two coincidences that are parallel to two characters in that regard are considered too many. And I'm not talking about Kisame/Zabuza type coincidences, I mean a dead character versus a unknown identity character. So, let's review, one more time. 1. The name. 2. The eye. 3. The personality. Three facts comparing Obito to Tobi and one fact to oppose generally stating that a big ass rock fell on, what appeared to be, the left side of his head. Edit: I'm wrong about what side the rock fell on Obito. No one corrected me Last edited by tramadrama; 2006-08-16 at 07:51. |
2006-08-14, 14:17 | Link #114 | |
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The point being Obito could possibly be Tobi (though they did make a grave for him...) Another thing i would say is that he is the only member without a headband, b/c if he had one (ie Konoha) it would be too obvious who he was. Side note: Konoha is crazy! Possibly has 4-5 members/exmemebers in Akatsuki. Itachi, Oro, Tobi, Yondaime, Last Kunoichi (Yea Yondaime and Last kunoichi being from Konoha far far fetched, but possible nonetheless ) |
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Before Tobi showed up i did not question Obito's death... but now we have a character who seems to have one to many things in common with the dead uchiha... coincidence? hard to say... So i open up to the possibility of survival, look back at his death and see a few things to question... With Yondiame, there is absoluty nothing to even sugest that he could have survived using the sacrifical, sure to kill you, survival rate probably lower than 8 gates, Death god jutsu... Nore is there anything to even sugest that he might be alive... I will not question yondiame's death until i have some reason to think otherwise... Quote:
Besides kohona gets all the crazy shit, title of being the strongest of the 5 villages, most chunin exam participants, the 3 sannin, the greatest kages and whatnot... besides with 10 rings and five main villages, it's not hard to think kohona to have 2-3 of there's in atasuki, particularily since it's the strongest... ofcourse other main villages only have/had 1 member, but that's because they have to make some room for the smaller villages, such as rain and waterfall... The Kunoichi, i'm gonna bet my money on cloud... only main village to not have an ataksuki member in it yet... |
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2006-08-14, 16:37 | Link #117 | |
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so there are 2 with a possibilty of 3 more, but i dont believe yondaime is the leader of akatsuki because he is dead, at least according to everything the story has told us, but whoever it is he could still be an ex konoha nin.. last kun is as tatami said we dont know, ofc a possibility.. And ofc tobi, that i believe alittle more could be obito after reading tramadrama's post because he gives a good explanation to the name thingy.. i dont believe there would ever be 5 of the akatsuki that are konoha nin though.. if there are though, it really does prove that konoha have many mighty shinobi's even though they go evil ^.^ |
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2006-08-14, 19:17 | Link #118 | |
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I remember that someone said that Zetzu is really Neejis father because he was doing the same things as the Byakugan.
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2006-08-14, 21:11 | Link #119 | |
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oooo nice1. score for the obito=tobi theory. btw did u figure that by yourself? And someone mentioned Yondaime's teammates. Yes they were shown only once in the anime and it was for a split second so not a lot of people noticed it. If you want the pic here it is: |
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2006-08-15, 09:15 | Link #120 |
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Yondaime Legacy... Thanks a lot man.. yeha that was the pic.. at Saru-sama Funeral.
Thanks again man... any idea who those other two are? some people were saying that one of yondaimes teammates or enemies was the leader of the akatsuki.. anyone that wasnt in konoha would have been an enemy to him... second of all... there wouldnt be anything interesting in one of his teammates being the leader.. i dont think :S.. But that uchiha madara theory and shodai-sama thing.... i think the leader may be after trying to release madara's father.... oh well.. simply speculation and a bit of hope. yondaime is dead... and yeah they did make a grave for obito.. hmph.. it would be interesting for him to be alive though.. because then the kakashi plot would be amazing... what does he want... what does he think of his friend after how many years... how strong is he really.. he is an uchiha after all... "lies, lies and fabrications..." - Rick James |
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