2010-10-17, 00:46 | Link #181 |
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it can be look both ways but magic was originally created because they envied those talented people and want to have the same power.
It may sounds that it was created for people who wasn't born with power but for people who initially created the magic. Magic and espers program of academy city was created so they can have power just like those people who had talents. Saints are talented and magic is a type of talent that can be use by saints. But for espers they can't use that talent. Because of their brain structures aren't suited for it or rather because science altered their brain to produce AIM. As for gemstones their brain aren't altered by science so their is a chance for them to use magic now if only they don't release such condense and strong AIM field. They can probably use it.
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2010-10-17, 00:57 | Link #182 | |
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Incorrect yet again, Saint are people whos body resemble jesus they arent more or less talented than a average person. And AIM is just what espers "transpirate" to say it in a methamorph, gemstones are just natural born espers, and I have yet to see a gemstone cast a spell. Magic affect espers because magic relies on this universe laws to fuction and AIM is bring a personal version of the universe, if you want to compare it to nasuverse is like when the world try to fix paradox by destroying the cause, except that in this case the universe is rejecting the reality of the esper trying to cast. |
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2010-10-17, 01:01 | Link #183 | |
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Gemstones are also talents because their ability to naturally alter the reality of this universe is natural born Thus magic and esper mass production was made.
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2010-10-17, 01:04 | Link #184 | |
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Who say saints are talented? closest thing I have hear is they are "blessed" people like Kanzaki, theres a hell of difference. Gemstone arent talented, hell see Himegami her power bring her more pain than anything, Sougita cant even control or understand his power that doesnt sounds like talent at all. |
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2010-10-17, 01:06 | Link #185 | |
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Well it shouldn't be too hard to mass produce mages of low levels...I mean the Roman Catholic Church was an effing big organization right at their height of power when they made the Queen of the Adriatic
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I'm tired on searching for this post and it better be helpful. I practically dig the first couple of pages on the other thread for this one.
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2010-10-17, 02:20 | Link #188 |
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ah.... did you read all the post that I tried to search in the box of treasures? like the post above?
Espers are determined with if you release AIM or NOT. Now if you release AIM then your out of becoming a magicians. Now if the method you use is not releasing an AIM and the power is borrowed from outer plane. Then you're a magician. Espers are being stop to use magic because their brains would explode thanks to the AIM their releasing but if they are not releasing AIM and their ability doesn't fall on any category then that's a mystery. The same as IB.
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2010-10-17, 03:54 | Link #189 |
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If you can use magic, you are a magician. An esper who knows how to cast spells is therefore a magician. It doesn't help them much because of the side effect (though to say that their head will explode is an exaggeration), but they are not "prevented" from using spells; it is simply not a good idea to do so.
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2010-10-17, 03:58 | Link #190 | |
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Spoiler for spoiler from novel:
Also another thing is amount of injuries that espers recieve when using magic. in anime index season 1, if i understood it correctly, Aureolus Izzard was forcing students from Misawa Cram School to use magic, but in anime they showed only some small injuries like scratches, or so.. and he needed them to maintain the barier around the school, so they had to be alive entire time. But then you have Tsuchimikado Motoharu who also uses magic, but in his case organs are quite seriously damaged. His brain must not be damaged, because he needs it to repair its body with his ability autoregeneration. So my teory is simple here. Those students in misava cram school was lv 0 probably, with low amount of aim (or none), whitch caused only small dmg. Tsuchimikado cannot be considered a lv 0. Definition of a lv 0 - person with no ability at all, or ability too weak to manifest itself. So Tsuchimikado is between lv 1-5, because his ability CAN manifest, though the scientis dont know about it, its probably some unique ability not dicovered yet. And because he is a higher lv, he recieves a higher amount of dmg. Similar to the capacity down system, the higher lv you are, the more dmg you recieve (watch the fight with telestina) Another thing - arent gemstoned caled gemstoned because they have AIM? i mean we have only 2 powers here - magic and aim. If a person is born with aim, he is considered a gemstone, if a person was born (blessed) with magic, then he is a saint. If we have only 2 powers and only two options, then there cant be a gemstone who does not use aim, because the only option left for him is to use magic, and thats called saint. Aslo my most important point - if esper can be born naturaly, can they naturaly develop their powers? Spoiler for spoiler from novels:
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2010-10-17, 04:14 | Link #191 |
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AC's ability to calculate what an esper's limits are is not perfect (heck, even Tree Diagram wasn't truly perfect: look at the Level 6 Shift experiment: the scientists in charge of that clearly didn't even know what level 6 entailed, let alone what was necessary to get there).
Gemstones are people who are born with esper powers and at their full potential. They cannot develop. They start maxed out. Rikou is not a gemstone for this reason. To be a gemstone she would have had to be born at whatever her maximum potential was. Saints are not simply people born with magic. They are born with a special type of magic: the power of the stigma. Fiamma of the Right, for example, was born with the Holy Right, but he is not a saint. |
2010-10-17, 04:16 | Link #192 | |
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Because he's that tough...he used Telesma magic...
his acension to Angel was just him further developing his own powers after he finally realized his own purpose.....not due to the song or something. When he felt the Eurasia obliterating blast that Fianma unleashed, it was a discomforting feeling from the sheer amount of Telesma concentrated in one spot. Quote:
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2010-10-17, 04:26 | Link #193 |
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^ Fiamma used Telesma??? I thought only angels could
and i dont think Telesma > AIM the way AIM > magic, FUZE was doing fine against Gabriel and even base Accel's vector control affected gabriel (it just wasnt as effective as it was against FUZE) while AIM can outright negate/dispel magic, it seems Telesma and AIM are roughly equal, and dont really dispel each other.
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If by human nature true they are not prevented from using spells. The one preventing it is their brain. the altered brain by science which is meant to release AIM is interfering with the magic. Magic borrows power from outside plane to alter the nature of this plane but the espers AIM present their own "personal reality" altering this own plane by their own powers. It's been a "taboo" for an esper to not use magic because it would kill them and if you said about tsuchimikado then his an exception thanks to his ability but still it can kill him. See the animated vol 4. When tsuchimikado is crying blood and in blood bath of his own blood. The greater the magic your invoking the greater the rejection of your brain. Plus if your a higher level with a much denser and stronger AIM field. Scrambled brains isn't enough on what may happen to you. Let's breakdown another question His meant to be that way. That's the plan of Aleister. here's a little answer but it would do me good and it would be good if you ask it in the novel thread. I don't want to get another infraction on points. I'm near negative status [spoiler]Aleister is planning to evolve Accelerator to that point. First integration of the imaginary sectors into this plane and that's the black wings. Then his struggle and fight to earn more experience. Him bumping into magicians and ultimately on Goat Skin which teach him about angelic language. Goat skin isn't included on Index knowledge and one of the special books. Do you really think it would ended up in a transport train and that train is the one accelerator is riding just to escape from academy city? all been plan well to evolve the strongest esper. Think of it like gundam 00 where Aolia or what ever the name of that scientist who planned the innovation of humanity. Like setsuna from a normal ace pilot into the messiah innovator and ultimately into a mecha god that can communicate with aliens. If you compare it to accelerator. From the plan of him being the strongest then pummeled into a disabled. meeting last order. Knowing the values of life or rather letting him know what life is. Making last order the life line of Accelerator. So if Aleister took Last order away. Accelerator would surely go to any place to get him. Making it much more easier to control him. Then into a blood bath dark winged destroyer to finally evolve into an angel. [spoiler] long post my fingers aching Quote:
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and I got a theory behind it. The thing is they are probably measuring on how much on can manifest or control their ability. Just like in railgun anime. They perform different test and for different ability. Then they decide what level it is. Just like for teleporters. They use the range and the weight of the object o measure the ability. But for auto regeneration.......... how to measure it? it didn't even manifest as long as Tsuchimikado is dead. yes dead or nearly dead. So the time when his using magic but still alive that's thanks to his ability because theoretically his dead. Unless they plan on killing him again and again to see results and I don't see that happening. Plus the auto regeneration is not present all the time. It's like a gamble with only 1 is to 7 chance the ability would kick in. Or rather I think their is only 7 chance he could use it. Not to sure on it. But it can't be a good life line for him when his using magic. and about the damage one receive. Imagine a level 0 which can't even manifest the ability of their own is getting scrambled brains. Imagine what if a level 1 or a level 5 use it. Like I say. Scrambled brains wouldn't be enough to define that scene. [quote] Another thing - arent gemstoned caled gemstoned because they have AIM? i mean we have only 2 powers here - magic and aim. If a person is born with aim, he is considered a gemstone, if a person was born (blessed) with magic, then he is a saint. If we have only 2 powers and only two options, then there cant be a gemstone who does not use aim, because the only option left for him is to use magic, and thats called saint.[quote] gemstone are people with natural born ability. (period) now if that natural power release AIM then they are espers. It's just that all the gemstone yet with ability revealed is all in espers. Like Sogita and Aisa but what about the gemstone girl in the side story? they didn't show her ability or even called her an esper. Just gemstone Saints are called saints because their bodies are naturally born with the same body as the son of god. thus allowing them to use thelema and since their body didn't release AIM they can use Magic. Quote:
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All espers in the academy city are develop by academy city unless your a gemstone which is naturally born with it. hope I answer some questions.
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2010-10-17, 21:40 | Link #195 | |
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And as for Vol2 where the students died or not... Aureolus' Ars Magna brought them all back to life after they got blown to bits by Roman Catholic Church's Gregorian Chant. |
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2010-10-18, 01:38 | Link #196 |
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Saints, gemstones, Imagine Breaker and Holy Right- basically anyone born with a power are called'talented'. You can use any other word (blessed, gifted, genius, cursed etc.) but it's basically refering to people with special abilities natural to them.
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2010-10-18, 03:22 | Link #197 |
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It is pretty natural that Accelerator isn't dying from the song he sang to cure last order.
Spell Intercept, after all, is a low class magic that doesn't require much magical power. The rebound not doubt is pretty small, just Accelerator's own AIM is too great, that the inside of his body still exploded into a bloody mass even he is just casting some weak magic. As for Tsuchimikado, he has been shown to cast weak spell and it only cause small wounds to him. Last edited by shmaster; 2010-10-18 at 03:49. |
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the only yet so far that tsuchimikado cast that cost sever bleeding is the spell that is homing and destroy it's target.
and spell intercept didn't even use mana that's why index can cast while in normal mode.
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That was pure, concentrated Telesma from the sky brought down by the Holy Right.
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2010-10-18, 19:52 | Link #200 |
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been thinking about teleport(stupid tvtropes >.<), and it just occurred to me that Awaki's accident was really just ridiculously dumb: all she needed to do was just teleport again like half a meter ahead, and her leg would have been free and without suffering any grievous, mind-crippling injury. Or if she couldn't teleport again for whatever reason, she could have just gotten someone to smash the wall around her leg to free it, instead of trying to get it out by force...
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