2018-11-21, 11:16 | Link #13782 |
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Hey guys! I forgot this forum even exists.
So my guess is that Tsukikage and Rinna's father are going to reveal to Carter that the Tyrant has been dead for a while now and there's no use hiding it now that Rebellion's HQ and most of its forces probably have been destroyed due to Or-Gaule's betrayal. And with the death of two of the League's strongest Blazers(Cario and Iris) during the representative war, a war etween the League and Union is very imminent. Can't wait to see American Psychics besides Carter and Raab. And then a timeskip of a year where Ikki has fully recovered and they had him, Stella, Shizuku, and Alice graduate early from Hagun so they can fight in the war against Union. And Ouma becomes a Desperado and Tohka and Yudai are promoted to A-rank after training their abilities. But Ikki's new moniker really suits him. 'Sword God' sounds much better than 'Worst One.' And does anyone find it weird that Stella and Ikki were kissing while Ikki was in his child form when Stella's parents walked in? But really I want to see Ikki compete in the God of War tournament along with Yudai and Ouma for some reason. Last edited by Lucidrago; 2018-11-21 at 11:40. |
2018-11-21, 19:46 | Link #13784 |
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I still don't like the whole 'Stella becoming a Desperado' thing. As it just totally makes Desperados invincible against any Blazer that's not a Desperado. I just find it disappointing that they have painted Stella as this once-in-a-lifetime exceptional Blazer who entered Hagun Academy as an A-rank which has been unheard of. Even Kurono wasn't an A-rank when she entered Hagun as a first year.
The series has just always painted Stella as this Blazer who had a whole mountain's worth of potential and had only just started reaching it. So it seems like she's a Blazer that fate just loves. But then she has to become a Desperado. Instead of having her overcome Desperados with all the potential she already has, she becomes a Desperado for apparently no reason at all and it's made even worse when Nene said that Naseem in his demon form has as much mana as Stella. So with Stella's monstrous mana reserves and her talent, I don't understand why she needed to become a Desperado. Ikki becoming a Desperado, you can understand. But Stella? Well I just think I'm judging the series too harshly so maybe I need to wait until I read it to get a clearer understanding. But her achieving Desperado status and then achieving Excessive Awakening just doesn't make sense to me at all. |
2018-11-22, 07:57 | Link #13785 |
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Stella's mana is said to be the highest in the League only. Naseem and Or-Gaule had more mana than Stella before she became a Desperado. Most Desperados can only be defeated by another so it was actually necessary for her to become a Desperado. Moreover those that achieved Excessive Awakening are too much for even a normal Desperado.
The League may have lost two of their strongest Blazers but Ikki and Stella possess strength that can replace the amount of power the League has lost. So I wouldn't worry about the League being overwhelmed. Since early in the series I wanted to see Ikki being acknowledged as one of the strongest Blazers in the world and it has been mostly fulfilled. Now I want to see Ikki becoming one of the most influential people in the world. He's already starting to gain political power after his engagement with Stella is official and after receiving the support of Levi Ascarid. I'm curious which influential person will give support to him next. |
2018-11-22, 10:08 | Link #13786 |
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Actually during Nene's and Naseem's fight, she stated that Naseem's mana reserves had surpassed Stella's when he went into Excessive Awakening. And she even stated that Stella's mana reserves were supposedly the highest in the League of Mage-Knight Nations. And supposing that includes Blazers like Arthur Bright and Iris, that's a whole lot of mana if you think about it.
Well Ikki is strong but he really isn't that strong of a Blazer considering he barely qualifies as one. Why do you think he's still a F-rank? True the League's standards can't properly judge him as they largely are judging Blazers by their magic abilities, mana capacity, mana control, and how well they use them. That's why Shizuku was just recently promoted to A-rank. But Ikki's main style of attack is his swordsmanship which any human can do even if Ikki is the god of swordsmen. But his magic ability is just a simple one that multiplies his power which any Blazer can do by just applying mana to their body. I'm over Stella becoming a Desperado now. But still it felt way too soon for someone of her power and potential. Ikki will get support from the League's Japanese Branch AKA the Father of the Year. But I'm guessing that Carter probably has a body enhancement magic ability and it's like the most powerful one in the world of its type. Like his ability allows him to have Herculean strength, insane speed, and crazy durability. I'm just guessing here but I would like to see that. Last edited by Lucidrago; 2018-11-22 at 10:32. |
2018-11-22, 11:05 | Link #13787 |
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Ikki is already established as one of the strongest in the League now. I'd say he would currently rank around 5th strongest in the League and in the Top 20 in the entire world.
I doubt Ikki will get support from the League's Japan Branch as long as it's mostly under the control of the Kurogane family. But he might be able to get support from some people in the Japanese government. |
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2018-11-22, 13:56 | Link #13789 |
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@Lucidrago: I'm with AP24 on Ikki's power and where he ranks. He's a F-rank knight just because his mana capacity is F-rank. His mana control rose as a result of his training under Edelweiss and he can now stay consciousness for longer after using Ittou Shura/Rasetsu and is also able to keep the mana in those forms contained inside his body and under his control. Ittou Shura/Rasetsu are also much more powerful than before.
If Stella just has the highest amount of mana in the League, I guess that makes it more acceptable how she became a Desperado so soon. But that's just one aspect. I still can't get over how it was being said in Volume 9 that Stella hasn't even gotten anywhere near reaching the peak of her growth, and how the author just turned around and made her undergo Brute Soul so soon afterwards. Since it was established that a Blazer needs to have already reached his/her peak before he/she can undergo Brute Soul, since it's basically them breaking through their limits and defying fate. If Stella's limits were still so far away, how come she reached them so easily? She didn't even do much work while she was on Edelburgh, she just fought a bunch of small fry and then fought Xiaoli and that was enough.
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2018-11-22, 14:56 | Link #13791 | |
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2018-11-22, 15:54 | Link #13793 |
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I want Ikki to marry Stella and have a very affectionate sibling relationship with Shizuku. Am I being too greedy?
Part of me wants him to become King and part of me wants him to become free and independent. I'm 50-50 on that one... Well as long as he hooks up with Stella and he doesn't get pushed around by his parents or in-laws I'll be happy enough. |
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@Lucidrago: Yeah, as Tyrant Ruler pointed out, Nene said that his rank no longer matters since he defeated Iris just now who was ranked 4th in the League. The League's system can't rank him properly so he's outside their ranking system. But that very same League now admits that he's one of their strongest. So yeah, his rank being F doesn't matter anymore.
@DanielSong: I'm all for him marrying Stella, but I'd rather his relationship with his sister remain normal.
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2018-11-22, 17:23 | Link #13795 |
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Okay, it seems that people don't understand how Stella became a Desperado so soon so I will explain it the best way I can.
Yes, we've heard many times that Stella has insane potential but I think what people are not taking into account is Stella's growth rate. Stella is considered out of norm genius so naturally her growth rate is much faster than normal. As compared to Ikki, who had to go through many tough battles, Stella didn't have to go through many because of her fast growth rate. This is why for example Stella became so absurdly strong from her training with Nene. At first she was weaker than Ouma but became stronger than him with just a week of training with Nene. Stella was reaching her limits so fast when she goes through major tough battles. My guess is Stella was already close to reaching her limits when she awakened "Dragon Spirit" since that was the core of what she was as a blazor and she reached that level from her training with Nene. Stella's growth further climbed in her battle against Ikki during their climax. Remember that after Ikki became a Desperado, Stella pushed herself even further to evolve. In case people forgot. ["Towards Stella’s power, Kurono was also speechless. That’s right. Ikki had certainly overcome his limit. Overcoming limit, triumphing over the common sense, …it was the moment she felt that the match would come to an end. Yet Stella had sent such light expectations flying. In order to surpass Ikki who had overcome his limit, she had to evolve herself further."] Then there's the matter of Stella's training on mountain. Yes, her opponents were small fries but you people were missing the point of that training. Stella needed to learn how to conserve how power and not waste it. What she needed to learn was control. And yes, that also helps her gets stronger and finally her battle against Xiaoli. Stella at that point had reached her limits due to her fast growth rate and needed a major battle to push through her limits altogether and that's where Xiaoli came in. In conclusion, Stella didn't become a desperado because of just a single battle. It was a variety of factors and multiple tough battles. Her battle with Xiaoli was the catalyst that she needed to break through to becoming a Desperado. |
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I can agree with almost all of that, but you miss one important point there. In the fight against Ikki, there was a point where, in one minute, they covered many years' worth of growth. With that one minute, Ikki had already reached his limit, whereas for Stella it was stated that she hadn't even reached the base of the mountain that represented her potential (remember that analogy Ikki made where he compared their potential as Blazers to a mountain?). And it was also said that her mountain was very large, the top being very, very far away. So what I don't get is why she reached the top of the mountain so soon after that. She wasn't even at the base even after that one minute where she improved so much while fighting Ikki.
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2018-11-22, 20:51 | Link #13799 |
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One side of the argument is that the base of the mountain line was simply hype, the other is that this line makes stellas awakening and the very concept in itself feel cheep. Neither side of the argument is going to convince the other as this topic has been done to death for months. The reality is it doesnt matter either way because the end result is the same; stella was gifted from the start. Its hard to root for prodigies because all of their progress is expected. Thats why ikki is the main draw of the series.
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