2014-08-18, 14:01 | Link #5981 |
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Well if it has, then I stand corrected. The Manga is contradicting itself then. There can't be a strongest (I doubt he's equal to her in looks :P) and an equal. Unless it was just referring to his army and not their strengths individually.
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2014-08-18, 14:36 | Link #5983 | |
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all i can assume is that maybe he is loyal to the empire through another branch of it. like the royal gaurd has it own ways of doing things that makes it independent but loyal, while esdeath is military and is actually part of the empire. as for looks i'd say they is both badass and intimidating. but in terms of beauty, Esdeath wins hands down (mine, don't touch! you can have the other one!) |
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2014-08-18, 15:36 | Link #5984 | |
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I wonder what will happen to the child emperor when he finds out about the corruption in the empire. Would Budou come to his aid and protect him in time? |
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2014-08-18, 15:53 | Link #5985 |
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I can always change it! Now I just need it all to be real. Multiple dimensions and different realities have never been more appealing... As for the kid, I get the sense that he could also die from the pm who makes the empire his own through some sob story. He must have some plan up his sleeve if he is so calm about budou
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2014-08-18, 19:55 | Link #5986 | |
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"Esdeath is equal to only Budou" - talking about being a general, went along those lines As a leader they are equal, as a combatant and duelist, Esdeath has no rival yet Esdeath swung at Tatsumi, he dodged it, and guess what, Tatsumi saw that coming Tatsumi is running around corners to escape, gets decked by Budou and you want to give Budou praise? If anything, Budou is a pretentious SOB in terms of power Decking someone that is trying to escape gets you a golf clap He did the "i'm the ultimate authority on everything ever with law and morals" to both Tatsumi and Wave when they had their backs turned / weren't preoccupied with Budou Esdeath would destroy anyone, (so far) in a fair 1v1 Even if Budou is stronger physically than her, which I don't think is true, then she has the trump card of time freeze, you cannot beat time manipulation a fight, it's really hard to beat time manipulation Budou has neither the scaling power of Tatsumi nor the strongest current power (Esdeath) so I called him weak for being pretentious and landing a cheap shot with so much proposed and alleged power He's still one of the stronger people in the story so far, I'll give him that He's still pretentious though, and I dislike his holier than thou attitude Walks in when the Empire has been through many awful things and now when rebellion starts showing up he decides that now after so much has happened, he'll deal with the Prime Minister or some such He walked in like he's the most powerful person, but he isn't Sources: Ending of Ch 7 "Name: Esdese" "Strength Level: Empire's Strongest" - text That was obviously before her time freeze ability was created Beginning of Ch 8, talking about Budou and Esdese "Hmmm... Esdese, she is a hero that rivals the power of General Budou" - The current king/emperor Last edited by That_one_guy; 2014-08-18 at 20:18. |
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2014-08-18, 20:38 | Link #5987 | |
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Wave is Tatsumi rival so I would think Wave would be just as strong as Tat |
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2014-08-19, 02:36 | Link #5988 |
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I like the manga so far (anime is not too bad either) and I think I’ll stick around for the end, but I’m honestly a little confused with some of the opinions in this thread that I hope someone can clear up (because I’ll never be able to read all 300 pages worth of posts).
Sorry: I'm new here, I've read the manga and understand most of it, and I've only fin this thread a week ago, but everything so confusing here. I'm sure there's someone here who could clear things up for me. |
2014-08-19, 03:23 | Link #5990 |
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I wrote a log ass post ages ago about esdeath so I'll paste it for you later when I find it. But mein is, baisically, she's a good character but many feel like her relationship with tatsumi was weak. It's not that we hate her (she's actually pretty cool) but it seems like she is the least deserving of tatsumi or that tatsumi showed no strong feelings for her that didn't already showhe for the likes of leone, akame or esdeath. Yet, he agreed to it non chalant like despite that, so it just felt off. As for her death flag, one, she barely gets out of certain situations like being swallowed by a toad or being blown up by justice girl. Not really deaths flags though. but the main death flags would be 1) najenda felt like she and tatsumi were In mortal danger (the instant they hooked up) and 2) the prophet said that he hoped his vision of their future he saw when he first met them was wrong. Other than that, there are still those who support the relationship, but even most of those guys have an un easy feeling about her future. And since esdeath has been head over heels for tatsumi since years ago, many feel like its could happen, the reason for which, I'll post later. Also, if you know Takehiro, you know majikoi and tsujindo-San road series. Then you would know how he likes to make strong female characters who love battle and fighting (akame ga kill is more violent due to the times and context) who turn from fighting with love. So esdeath is still possible, but we'll know sooner or later. Wait for my next post. Maybe 3 or 4 hours
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2014-08-19, 04:04 | Link #5993 |
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Why would the author write a guidebook and reveal the inevitable futures of characters with specific wording and or content. This seems like a terrible idea to me.
Could it be possible that what is written in the guidebook is not final and does not reflect what will happen in the future of the story? Also: A guidebook to understand the story books? Really?? |
2014-08-19, 05:35 | Link #5996 | |
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most of this is copy/past from previous posts so it did not take long (despite the size) Basically Esdeath is a controversial character due to the story and of course, herself. she is interesting because despite being the most powerful and beautiful, and the most destructive and cruel, to see a soft side to her is something out of the ordinary. she is supposed to be like that as the data book says "someone you want on your side" Many here, including me, feel and hope (even pray) that she and Tatsumi get together. there are many good reasons to suggest this such. the way i see it is like this and be forewarned that the list is long (yes i did my research, yes i got obsessed, no i have no social life, no i have no life so hush!) . so tldr: good things, bad thing Good points: Saying that she would never let anything harm Tatsumi again Saying that he is the only one she see's as a man and never let him be lonely saying that she wants to see his smile, his feelings and possess him completely taking hints from bors (like some honor student) to win Tatsumi Loveing Tatsumi even when he ran away saying that her desire burned hotter since he was not there promising to force all her feelings onto Tatsumi next time they met. looking for Tatsumi in crowds despite her better judgement telling ran that there is only one Tatsumi in the world and she wont accept anyone else. Rejecting the emperors offer for the PMs son since she has passion to have Tatsumi again. going on a night patrol on account of the pretty moon (saying its odd for her and that its tatsumis fault) Seeing Tatsumi again (all lovey dovy) taking the chance to kiss Tatsumi making the situation out to be a date being impressed by Tatsumi taking out a colossal danger beast drawing Tatsumi in her book (one with her holding him) their day on the island wanting to know Tatsumi more explaining everything about her to Tatsumi (making him realize she is twisted to the core) running for Tatsumi as he left the portal (arm stretched out trying to reach him) saddened by Tatsumi disappearing (he was hiding with Incursio) Looking at her drawing of Tatsumi with a lonely face. Despite several openings, She felt like part of her did not want to attack Incursio (Tatsumi) despite not knowing who was in it (though she gets suspicious) Created a trump for her teigu to freeze time and space for the sole sake of never letting Tatsumi run from her despite being happy about returning to the capital to fight another battle, she gets a lonely face when she thinks about Tatsumi. stopping Tatsumi so he cant run from her protecting Tatsumi from being Violated embracing Tatsumi despite knowing he was Incursio TBC... This all proves the changes in her character that have happened throughout the story. each suggesting that she could change for Tatsumi and that Tatsumi is having an effect on her that turns her into a lovey dovy women instead of the sadistic general she is told to be. it makes most forget what she has done, or hopes she can do enough to redeem herself. for such a woman to have such a side, caught alot of peoples attention and then, the fan base came. Then of course, there are the bad points that suggest otherwise. proving that she is a sadist at heart, and also showing her defecting sides (and therefore being with Tatsumi, in not likely: NOW for the bad points: Allowed a city to be violated as a reward to her men for defeating the enemy and making a few watch disabling Najenda thrashing the north and its prince burying 400,000 people alive her torture chamber in the palace (holy F*** dude...) putting ice in a boiling cauldron so that the peoples suffering is prolonged ordering the three beasts to kill the former prime minister and his daughter to aid the PM tells the jaegers to kill retreating enemies or those who surrendered, saying it is weak smiling at the thought of capturing the released danger beast (not so sure if bad, but it sure was a twisted smile) admitting she adores her soldiers and rewards them so they will be more frugal with their lives admitting to Tatsumi that she would of buried the 400,000 and violated the tribes village whether she was order too or not (though she did admit it was to also cut costs) her teigu compatibility basically demands a sadistic psycho her butchering the bandits who were part of Najedas trap (though, what else was she gonna do?) Her dissecting of Chelsea (holding her severed arm) and allowing Koro to feed on the body and then having the head on a spike. her indifference to Seryuus death while muttering it served as a waste of potential. her mutilating of leone (chopping her to pieces and would of gone on if Tatsumi did not stop her) Despite saying she would remember Suusanoo as a warrior and not a teigu, she told him to entertain him with the last of his efforts and life. Her burning of western soldiers alive. TBC this proves that despite her love, she still has a strong destructive sadism about her. all of the above proves she can go either way, so the next chapters are crucial. so whether the pairing makes sense depends on how you see all this. as for her being evil, keep in mind that Tatsumi and night raid are murderers and they don't deny it. they are a good - evil while Esdeath is a sadist due to her upbringing in the wild, being a soldier whose duty it is to kill people, and basically, having a job where she gets to do what she knows best and all she has ever known is kill or be killed. so her evil is basically having fun, while night raid is the vigilante evil but evil all the same so much of akame ga kill is the perspective of what makes evil and what does not, and the circumstances as to why. so while she does have the evilness about her, Tatsumi has a chance to change this (though he himself may not think so) and who does not love a bad character turn good, especially if they are bad ass beauties. Keep in mind, that this is monthly manga, meaning that even though its at its 50th chapter, that means its been on for over 4 years. so for those who have been reading this for that long, invested their time and interest at the thought of her being with tatsumi, the next chapters are a big deal since it basically tells us if your waiting throughout the years are worth it or likely(therefore, we talk cause im LOSING MY FREAKING MIND!) this is why there is so much talk on the matter because for esdeath to be with tatsumi and be redeemable, mien has to be separated, and with the current story, there is a decent chance since love does not make anyone invincable, such as chelsea who thought as tatsumi even as she died. This is why there is a bit of hate for mien as well, since people have been fans of tatsumi and Esdeath for YEARS, Mien just comes in and takes him. many wanted to see a struggle, others wanted a more satisfying beginning. others like me, felt Chelsea would of been a better fit and that mien was probobly the last person to deserve this, and that Tatsumi agreed to it too easily. as for the guide book, keep in mind that data books are the story to the point said book is released. they do not predict or spoil the future so when some say 'evil is evil' i say, 'yea, point proven' and so see the future up for grabs as to if esdeath will remain or not. also, as i've said, Takahiro has a habit of creating strong women who turn all soft and loving when love is involved so for such a thing to happen is a specialty. not sure if that'll explain it properly to you, but i had time to kill. |
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2014-08-19, 05:45 | Link #5997 |
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NOW LETS TALK BOUT SOMETHING ELSE
next up, i'm thinking we talk about dr. stylish danger beasts. obviously since his death, he was still bought up a couple times, from the danger beasts let loose, to the alchemist wanting to work with him. he obviously has some connection to the prime minister (or the son at least) and created the beast from experimentation. who thinks that the beast he created are part of the prime ministers plan to counter budo? and if thats no good, we could always talk about if rubboc could crack? but i think we covered that. i personally think he could. but then he could also play dead or prank wild hunt. go wild people! |
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As for your other questions, many of those can only be answered by fans who share those sentiments and the author himself. I myself can't speak for the people who hate Mein, and I do care about Lubbock but there’s just not many things we can talk about him aside for him being the pervert one, and love Najenda, and the recent hints of jealousy toward Tatsumi. I’m also not really a shipper. So I'm not on the side of any pairing and just want to see them develop. Still, Tatsumi’s interaction with Esdeath are often hilarious that I do enjoy watching them together , but after this chapter, we’re bound to see a crack in their “relationship” to a certain degree which is also interesting.
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2014-08-19, 07:24 | Link #5999 | |
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