High School DxD - Character Discussion - Issei Hyoudou

[eiyuuou]

Spoiler:

So far, it still seems like Divide is stronger than Boost.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

Spoiler:

So far, it still seems like Divide is stronger than Boost.

What makes you think that?

[eiyuuou]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

What makes you think that?

Divide is both defensive and offensive, halving your opponents' abilities and adding to your own.

[Galaxian]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

Divide is both defensive and offensive, halving your opponents' abilities and adding to your own.

There seems to be a limit to how strong Divine Dividing can make its user, as the excess energy is expelled through the wings. However, there doesn't seem to be a limit to how strong Boosted Gear can make its user, specially after this last to episodes when it went rapid fire with the boosts.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

Divide is both defensive and offensive, halving your opponents' abilities and adding to your own.

Divide can't surpass the user original strength, it just keeps him at 100%. And it only adds while in BB.

As long as the user has stamina, Boost is unlimited.

[GDB]

Both of Boosted Gear's abilities can be used without being in Balance Break form, so I don't see why Divine Dividing wouldn't be able to do so outside of Balance Break.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by GDB

Both of Boosted Gear's abilities can be used without being in Balance Break form, so I don't see why Divine Dividing wouldn't be able to do so outside of Balance Break.

It's not really a completely separated ability like Boost and Transfer though, it's more like a "Lv.2" of the same. Since we never saw the DD say [Steal] or [Absorb], only [Divide].

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

Divide is both defensive and offensive, halving your opponents' abilities and adding to your own.

What makes you think boasted gear can't be defensive?

The 2 dragons are eternally equal as given by the legends.

Their successors have only used a portion of their powers based on their own talents. You can have an offensive Divine divider with a defensive boasted gear user in their life time, no problem.

Spoiler for Juggernaut drive:

Even the JD we seen isn't the true power, it's merely a shadow of the true Ddrag. It would eat the user up completely before we even get to that, as we see in later books when Vali and Ise get new more broken skills

You just have to think of these dragons as ideas not as creatures. It helps a lot for later plots. The ideas by itself are not a power gauge meter.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Galaxian

There seems to be a limit to how strong Divine Dividing can make its user, as the excess energy is expelled through the wings. However, there doesn't seem to be a limit to how strong Boosted Gear can make its user, specially after this last to episodes when it went rapid fire with the boosts.

On the contrary, Boosted Gear does have an upper limit, as was discussed in season 1. However, that limit can be raised as the Red Dragon Emperor gets stronger. Early Issei could only sustain about 12 Boosts during the training arc. Compare that to when he first battled Vali and the sheer amount of Boosts he had.

Chances are, the limit on Divine Dividing can also be raised for the White Dragon Emperor. It'll just likely be harder, because Vali is the most powerful White Dragon Emperor thus far, so it's still a matter of Issei having to catch up to Vali.

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

On the contrary, Boosted Gear does have an upper limit, as was discussed in season 1. However, that limit can be raised as the Red Dragon Emperor gets stronger. Early Issei could only sustain about 12 Boosts during the training arc. Compare that to when he first battled Vali and the sheer amount of Boosts he had.

Chances are, the limit on Divine Dividing can also be raised for the White Dragon Emperor. It'll just likely be harder, because Vali is the most powerful White Dragon Emperor thus far, so it's still a matter of Issei having to catch up to Vali.

That's when you do a motherfcking transfer with one shot Ascalon dragon killer blade into Vali's dividing rear. Try to divide that.

Again they are talents, not powers.

Before Issei went all Balance breaker, his main forte was transfer, remember? (Holy water down a devil's throat, remember???) The ability to use surroundings as your tools is a perfectly fine way of fighting, that divine dividing cant do.

The fact of it is, Isse is kinda...stupid...he's not the strategy type, so his talents are not suited for subversion, which is why he's gravitated to a fist fighter. He would have faught with Vali on much better terms if he became the Achilles heel type, but he didn't.

[Rising Dragon]

I dunno if you can call Issei stupid. When the fight truly matters, Issei's proven himself to be fairly creative--using girls' embarrassment through Dress Break to leave them open to counterattacks, Boosting holy water on a cross, coming up with a strategy to utilize Gasper's Sacred Gear alongside his Dress Break, overloading Vali's power until it resets him back to base, leaving him open to Ascalon, stealing Divine Dividing's capabilities so he can use it against Vali, using a form of telepathy to steal the enemy's plan... it's not that Issei's stupid, it's just he typically doesn't get opponents where he needs to get clever until the end of the season.

[Chichiryuushintei]

It's not a really a matter of intelligence though, he just likes a straight forward fighting style more than a tactical one. And he gets pretty creative when he needs to.

[kukuru]

Finding victory in the jaws of defeat isn't the same as chess master master manipulator.

Of course that's where the bro tap between him and vali can blossom. They are pretty much in similar in that.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Finding victory in the jaws of defeat isn't the same as chess master master manipulator.

Of course that's where the bro tap between him and vali can blossom. They are pretty much in similar in that.

Since when not being a master tactician equals stupidity? He's no genius, but he isn't stupid either, he's pretty normal.

[dragonroots]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

Divide is both defensive and offensive, halving your opponents' abilities and adding to your own.

Divine Dividing makes you a strong individual, your own magic power is hard to drop below max and your opponent(s) get weaker the longer they fight you. But Boosted Gear makes you a stronger team player or allows for more plans, example could be if you lure your opponent into an area that you set weak traps that can't be detected normally.

An example of a planned encounter with the Boosted Gear could be a field littered with barriers so weak that even a human could walk through it without realizing it, by transferring power to a barrier you can make it strong enough to stop any attack or advance on you. Because the barriers are so weak and there would be so many of them it would be difficult to pinpoint the location of every one if you did not already know where they were placed. This would be effective against the Divine Dividing as it requires touch to take effect, while Transfer also requires touch you would be touching a barrier long before Divine Dividing came within range and be able to block it effectively. If he were working with Saji, he may be able to link his cables with the barriers and instead send the transfer through the cable and activate a barrier from a distance (possible locking the Divine Dividing in place briefly).

Ise has already demonstrated how useful his transfer powers are on a team, he can transfer power to Kiba who has low power but high speed to make his attacks hit much harder. He can transfer to Rias or Akeno who specialize in long range combat to make their attacks deal more damange. Though he has not done this he could potentially boost Asia's healing range to perhaps heal an even greater amount of people with less stress on Asia herself (and if she learns to shoot it like a projectile she could send a minimal amount of healing and with Ise's transfer it could become larger as a result).

Thus each can be used for offense and defense, it's just the Divine Dividing requires little setup to provide defense, while Boosted Gear does require some planning.

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Since when not being a master tactician equals stupidity? He's no genius, but he isn't stupid either, he's pretty normal.

Are we watching the same thing??? DxD has the most obvious "scales" of most shows.

He is quite on the stupid side.

the scale of it in smarts level would in gremory be.

Xenova
Issie
Kiba <--the genius swordsman style
=
Rossweisse (obvious not shown yet)

Koneko/gasper are consider companion level and does not get exposed to the "scale" as much.

Outside of gremory, there is also a "scale" and Issei doesn't fair very well either.

In fact numerous numerous comparisons are constantly explored, plot driven and battle explanations are given in LN version every paragraph.

Monologue wise, Issei hasn't managed to outdo his smart level to anyone other then Xenoiva....so pretty much he's the "guts power" character of the series.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Are we watching the same thing??? DxD has the most obvious "scales" of most shows.

He is quite on the stupid side.

the scale of it in smarts level would in gremory be.

Xenova
Issie
Kiba <--the genius swordsman style
=
Rossweisse (obvious not shown yet)

Koneko/gasper are consider companion level and does not get exposed to the "scale" as much.

Outside of gremory, there is also a "scale" and Issei doesn't fair very well either.

In fact numerous numerous comparisons are constantly explored, plot driven and battle explanations are given in LN version every paragraph.

Huh, sorry, but what did you mean by your post?

Ise's fighting style is straight forward and focus on power rather than skill. Kiba's the opposite, but that has nothing to do with intelligence. Heck it was said in the LN that with overwhelming power there isn't much of a need for tactics.

It was also shown multiple times he can come up with good strategy if he puts effort into it.

[dragonroots]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Are we watching the same thing??? DxD has the most obvious "scales" of most shows.

He is quite on the stupid side.

the scale of it in smarts level would in gremory be.

Xenova
Issie
Kiba <--the genius swordsman style
=
Rossweisse (obvious not shown yet)

Koneko/gasper are consider companion level and does not get exposed to the "scale" as much.

In fact numerous numerous comparisons are constantly explored, plot driven and battle explanations are given in LN version every paragraph.

Ummm, remember on his way back from the underworld he was worried because his summer homework wasn't done but most of the others were. His "book" smarts are on the lower side of the group, his "battle" tactics are mid-tier in the group.

Kiba>Rias>Akeno>Koneko>Issei>Gasper>Xenovia>Asia Is probably the most accurate ranking for their battle tactics.

for book smarts he's undoubtedly the dumbest.

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by dragonroots

Kiba>Rias>Akeno>Koneko>Issei>Gasper>Xenovia>Asia Is probably the most accurate ranking for their battle tactics.

Look at training session excepts.

Xenovia is last, followed by Issei.

Asia is actually decently high as a support character.
Gasper in his book power up and subsequent book is also quite high.

Asia is support gets nothing in the anime
koneko and gasper has had had their "book" yet.

You know the LN has very plain monologue and digest excerpt right?

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Huh, sorry, but what did you mean by your post?

Take off the fanboy goggles and use the material. All the Stri and geremory and vali and new devils, and many yet to introduce groups...issei considers himself just plain bad tactical wise, but above xenova...also above xenova

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Look at training session excepts.

Xenovia is last, followed by Issei.

Asia is actually decently high as a support character.
Gasper in his book power up and subsequent book is also quite high.

Asia is support gets nothing in the anime
koneko and gasper has had had their "book" yet.

Spoiler for LN:

If we're talking about the books, Gasper is first in terms of battle, followed by Ise and Kiba. Everyone else in the group would be crushed by him.
And saying he considers himself bad isn't really worth anything, since he has one of the worst inferiority complex I've seen in anime MCs. Heck, he pretty much battled Euclid only with tactics in V17.