Good point about the personal involvement creeping up to Bokura ga Ita intensity, Guardian Enzo. If you shouted at Yano when he left, you'll be screaming "wtf" at him in volume 12 of the manga. In True Tears, it is striking how our hopes for the various girls are shifting and shifting. I think there are more shifts to come, as we watch these poor deer squirm in the emotional headlights.
I think the Shin-Ai-Nobuse confession scene suggested that Aiko would not have accepted Nobuse without Shin's relentless recommendation. Whether he had to be there for it to happen, I don't know, but I think so.
I just rewatched episode one, and it seemed to me that when Shin barged into the washroom, Hiromi apologized for some combination of being his sister (and therefore unable to respond to him as she would like), and of being a nuisance in the household.
And I am definitely more understanding of Shinmother right now. Like Aiko and Shin, she is not dealing with her situation in the best possible way, but she is under great emotional pressure. Just imagine living with your husband and the son you dote on, and then this girl who is a living embodiment of your husband's rejection of you is brought in. And on top of that, she is sucking away both your son's and your husband's affection. That business of opening the envelope in ep1 was normal old-fashioned parenting. It just happens that Shinfather is somewhat more modern in his attitudes. Her realtionship with Shin may be excessively close because her relationship with his father is excessively distant. They get along, but perhaps that early infidelity poisoned everything for her, so there is no real joy in her life -- except for her son, who is now distancing himself.
As for whether she was telling the truth, her surprise that Hiromi remembered did seem odd. There's more story there. But telling this girl that your husband was unfaithful to you is not something anyone would want to do, unless it was inescapably true, so I'm still thinking it's true, pending further evidence.
And it will be interesting to see if Jun asks Hiromi out again, and if she accepts. I thought her "yappari...." that he cut off with asking her to tell Shin to get busy with Noe, was going to be something like "yappari [as I expected]...we really aren't suited for each other."
By the way, one possible indication of a Noe ending is her introduction in episode one: very grand, with dramatic music and a dramatic pose, high in the tree, with the light behind her. Just what you would do for a heroine. Also with the end of the episode, with her on the seawall as a watercolor still and the theme coming up. But recent events have been all Shin-Hiromi and not much Noe. He even tells her to stay away.
But it's only episode six of thirteen, so there's lots of time for a reconciliation. There is also lots of time for Hiromi to cease being Shin's sister -- but maybe not time for Ai-chan to confess and Shin to get over her apparent fickleness. I'm afraid I can't take Nobuse seriously as a partner, so I'm not very enthusiastic about Ai "realizing" she really likes him and them getting back together.
I'm expecting these various limitations -- being Shin's sister, actually loving Shin instead of Nobuse, being Noe's brother, etc. -- are not going to go away, and the characters are going to have to find ways of reconciling with them, through a combination of tears and new partners. We'll see.
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Ai has always liked Shin, she has always known that she liked him. Her half hearted acceptance of the loser friend was just to make Shin happy... He's a dumbass for not noticing it.
Good point about the personal involvement creeping up to Bokura ga Ita intensity, Guardian Enzo. If you shouted at Yano when he left, you'll be screaming "wtf" at him in volume 12 of the manga. In True Tears, it is striking how our hopes for the various girls are shifting and shifting. I think there are more shifts to come, as we watch these poor deer squirm in the emotional headlights.
I think the Shin-Ai-Nobuse confession scene suggested that Aiko would not have accepted Nobuse without Shin's relentless recommendation. Whether he had to be there for it to happen, I don't know, but I think so.
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Yeah, I can't believe Yano, but do you blame him. He felt guilty, and in some way he was,
Spoiler for Bokura ga Ita manga:
he decided to abandon his mother in her condition and I don't blame her for taking her life.
Now back to true tears!
Yeah, another one to the list, If it was me, I really don't know how I could have said no either. It is HARD to reject one person, imagine rejecting two people at the same time.
So what i'm saying here is that,Shin most likely already convinced Aiko to go out with Nobuse even before that confession day,probably after Shin knew that Nobuse had feeling for Aiko.When Nobuse start to have feeling for Ai,i'm sure he told about it to Shin and ask him for help.And that's where the whole thing started,everytime Shin having a chat with Aiko,surely he included the topic about Nobuse in it and spreading about Nobuse's goodness in front of her,as a way of convincing Aiko to go out with him.This is where Aiko started to feel that Shin doesn't really have feeling for her,when she actually had feeling for him.
I see where you are coming from but the "convincing her even before the day" statement isn't what I see. Rather I would think that shin has been hinting to ai for quite some time that nobu is a good guy, hence her "I know...he is a good guy" reply. This actually makes me feel more sad to think that shin has been feeding this fact to her all along, so much so that even her response was dull to the point where I think that she should have just said "I know already! just STFU!"
Still though...I still feel that it was shin's presence there that made her say yes to his confession. Just nobu alone wouldn't have made it imo.
Personally, if Shin wasn't there, Nobuse wouldn't have succeeded IMO. While Shin might have dropped hints to Aiko beforehand, it's another thing when he does it in person during confession time. I mean, what's Aiko going to do? Turning Nobuse down would be like half turning down Shin when Shin is there trying to 'sell' Nobuse.
And what of the question that gets asked everytime somebody gets turned down? You know, the 'is there anyone you like right now?' question? How's Ai going to answer THAT right in front of Shin, considering she hasn't told Shin she's interested in someone since it is him. It's one thing if Nobuse asked that alone, but it's a completely different matter when the person you like is there to listen to it.
@golthin
Spoiler for childhood friends off topic:
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I think I should explain myself better about my trouble with the childhoodfriend. The problem of childhoodfriend losing is when She or he is involved in a bonafide love triangle. CODE-E is a prime example of the childhoodfriend losing. Lets forget about your defination of childhoodfriend for a moment. Just count the time that a childhoodfriend won DURING a bonafide Love triangle.
Define 'bonafide' love triangle. For the sake of the arguement, let's say that there should be 3 people, and between all the people involved, there should be at least 3 iterations of a person being interested in another. As in, there's persons A, B, and C, and A-->B, B-->C, and C--> B would be a triangle. If it's only A-->B, B-->C, then it's not a triangle at all since it's just a case of unrequited love.
In order to count as a win or loss, two of the three people involved must be childhood friends. This is a change from my original list, where I listed shows as a loss even when the childhood friends aren't even remotely interested in each other romantically.
Needless to say, the majority of the list includes a love triangle in where a childhood friend is involved. Now just to cull out the exceptions.
Spoiler for list of shows, giving out final pairings:
Out of my list, there's only Last Exile, Tsubasa (3 iterations), FF7: AC, Shinigami no Ballad, Tonagura!, and Dennou Coil in which there are no love triangles but won. Yume Tsukai, Muteki Kanban Musume, is a loss in which there are no love triangles at all. Thus, remove 8 wins, and 2 losses (10 shows total removed).
Do note too that in FLCL, Haruko hasn't shown romantic interest towards Naoto, so it isn't a love triangle really. The Eri, Naoto, and Naoto's brother's girlfriend triangle went nowhere, so no loss here. Remove 1 loss.
In Tsukihime, Natsuiro no Sunadokei, Ichigo 100%, Super Robot Taisen, Seto no Hanayome, and Clannad are shows I listed where the childhood friends aren't part of the same love triangle (aka, they show no interest in each other), but I counted as a loss anyways. So remove 6 losses.
So I removed 8 wins and 9 losses (that's a third of the losses I listed!), or a total of 17 shows removed. That actually RAISED the winning percentage if we're to put the condition that the childhood friends must be involved in the same love triangle. Now, there's 61 wins out of 80 shows, which is well over a 75% win ratio!
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Now back to the defination, in my opinion you are kind of stretching the term used most of the time for Childhoodfriend. Of course you are a big proponent of the childhoodfriend winning. Now don't misunderstand me, I LOVE when the childhoodfriend wins. In my heart I really wish I could believe your 70% win rate, but there is a lot of victories in there where the childhoodfriend was automatic a Lock because she didn't have a rival or rivals.
Me? Stretching the term? I'm just going by the Webster dictionary for the translation of Osana-najimi. All it says is 'Childhood friend, friend from infancy, and old playmate'. Judging from that, as long as you befriend someone when you were young, that is automatically considered as osana-najimi. Where is the stretching there, might I ask?
Or should I go into exactly what each of what the japanese words mean? Anyone who has a greater understanding of Japanese correct me if I'm wrong, but 'Osana' comes from 'osanai', which means 'very young'. Najimi translates into something like 'intimate'. Remember what I said about something lost in translation? This is the part, as if you put the two together, it basically means someone who you're close to when you were very young.
So yeah, definitely just your opinion. Childhood friend/Osana-najimi is meant to be a broad term, and I'm sure I haven't been mistakenly categorizing characters as a childhood friend when they obviously aren't.
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My pain is that the childhoodfriend will lose automaticaly when she has competition. Take the case Tonagura!, Kazuki didn't have any real competition. Her best friend really didn't have any feelings for Yuuji and she knew KAzuki was in love with Yuuji. The HAtsune also didn't have anything for yuji, though he would probably would have loved to have something. IT was actually the teacher that worried yuuji, but once it was revealed he was engaged it was a no contest because there was not a real rival.
Granted, Tonagura! didn't have a love triangle.
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it is up to interpretation. Kaede from Shuffle, Levy from Last exile, Koko from Decapo, Ruriko from gatekeeper are prime examples of what a childhoodfriend is. the other fall in a gray area.
Gray area? Only for those people who just goes by their gut feeling and have no way of putting into words their definition of osana-najimi/childhood friend. The textbook definition makes it pretty clear cut, without much room for ambiguity. Only room where its ambigous is how early, but usually around elementary or middle school at the latest is accepted by the majority.
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I will grant Love hina because I never read the manga, so i'll take your word for it that it is confirmed in the manga. Again Nemu from Decapo can't be considered a childhoodfriend because they were raised as siblings. IF we applied your standard, that would make all non blood related siblings childhoodfriends and will automaticly destroy one of the most used Cliche in anime. They are even using that on the next decapo series that is going to be broadcast in april. They left the two Nonblood related sisters for that season.
You make it sound as if they're two separate entities. But as anyone should know by now, cliches usually get mixed and matched now, and so it's almost impossible to categorize a character under just one cliche. Just as there are a lot of overlap between the 'girl next door' and 'childhood friend', there's a lot of overlap between 'non-blood related sibling' and 'childhood friend' as well. Do note that there are some 'non-blood related sibling' that don't count as childhood friend, like say, during a re-marriage late in life such as in Marmalade Boy.
First off, I'm going to say again that if the non-blood related siblings grew up together, then it satisfies the condition for osana-najimi.
Looking deeper, there is a reason why a lot of the younger person of a childhood friend pair call the older one '-niichan'/'-neechan'/'aniki'/'aneki' etc. It's because these people are almost like siblings; they act very close. Same thing for NBRS, right?
And that's just not in name. The internal conflict that goes on in non-blood related siblings and childhood friends ARE exactly the same. Crossing the line between friends and lovers is a common theme in both cases, for example.
Looking at these factors, what's the difference between osana-najimi and non-blood-related siblings (let's shorten it to NBRS) that grew up together? The only real difference is just the latter are 'formally' siblings while the former isn't. As such, if the NBRS grew up together, they're basically O-N with just a minor addition to the theme.
Thus we can say that NBRS IS a subset of O-N under the condition they grew up together, since they share all the traits apart from being formally siblings in the former.
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To summarize, childhoodfriend can win as long as they are not involved in a love triangle and the guy doesn't have any feelings for the other girl. If we remove many of the automatic locks and the "well the show ended and there is no body else" like in last exile, the rate will be much lower.
You do know what you're saying that I highlited is contradictory? If the guy has already shown feelings for the other girl and maintains that till the very end, then doesn't that mean that THAT girl already won? Absolutely no one else can win, regardless of them being childhood friends or not.
Think of Code-E, where the guy isn't at all interested in the childhood friend but interested in the transfer student, with both girls liking the guy. You count that as a loss, right? Let's reverse that and say that the guy isn't at all interested in the transfer student but interested in his childhood friend, with both girls liking the guy. Why wouldn't we count that as a win then?
Love triangles, I think I dealt with already. The vast majority of the anime I have listed includes a love triangle of some sort, some where even multiple showings of O-N appear. In such cases, it's almost a guarantee they'd win.
And you do know a portion of the losses are because of an 'automatic lock' that goes in the disfavour of the O-N coupling?
The series left after I took out the love triangles in which the loss is 'automatic' include: Escaflowne, Gundam Seed, Mai-Hime, Basilisk, Suzuka, and Heroic Age. All of these shows are 'automatic' loses for O-N, because they aren't the one 'last left standing' in all of these shows. That's another 6 losses to take out. Including what we have in the love triangle cut, we now have 61/74 shows in which the O-N won, or over 82%. Even if you can name and cut 30 shows (yes, THIRTY) in which I listed as win that you consider as an 'auto-lock', you'd only be right back where you started at 70% win rate.
@boiledliddo
Spoiler for more OTness:
Basically what is in discussion are three things...
1) Definition of childhood friend
I still fail to understand why people don't take the literal definition of osana-najimi, as it is the definition used by the characters themselves in anime.
I mean, lets's take Major for example. If Shimizu only knew Goro for a year when they were kids, but Shimizu and Goro still considers themselves as 'osana-najimi' (said so themselves in one of the episodes) when they were in high school, it should denote that 'osana-najimi' as a term is pretty broad, and thus applies to whole smackful of characters.
2) Success rate of childhood friend
My main list in the trend page over @ general anime forums shows a list of series in which a boy/girl childhood friend pair appeared, I marked those who didn't hook up together. In the end, the percentage shows how many shows in which the childhood friends hooked up with each other against the total number of shows the childhood friend appeared (and simply appeared in).
Golthin said that if we..
a) remove those series in which there isn't a love triangle involving the childhood friend
b) remove the series in which an 'automatic' ending is there (aka, childhood friend last standing)
...then we would see a drop in the win percentage.
Little did Golthin know that the reason why I counted a) in the first place (way back during the Sola days) was because the win rate is staggering if I only counted the times when the childhood friend was in a love triangle with the other childhood friend.
As for b), the ratio of automatic wins to automatic loses aren't much different from total wins to total loses, so it really wouldn't change anything. If anything, every automatic loss taken away helps several times more than an automatic win that is cut by b), as simple mathematics would suggest.
3) Does non-blood related siblings (NBRS) count as osana-najimi?
Well, considering NBRS (assuming they grew up together) fulfills the definition of osana-najimi AND all act in every way shape and form as an osana-najimi, then yes.
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Personally, if Shin wasn't there, Nobuse wouldn't have succeeded IMO. While Shin might have dropped hints to Aiko beforehand, it's another thing when he does it in person during confession time. I mean, what's Aiko going to do? Turning Nobuse down would be like half turning down Shin when Shin is there trying to 'sell' Nobuse.
And what of the question that gets asked everytime somebody gets turned down? You know, the 'is there anyone you like right now?' question? How's Ai going to answer THAT right in front of Shin, considering she hasn't told Shin she's interested in someone since it is him. It's one thing if Nobuse asked that alone, but it's a completely different matter when the person you like is there to listen to it.
@boiledliddo
Spoiler for more OTness:
Basically what is in discussion are three things...
1) Definition of childhood friend
I still fail to understand why people don't take the literal definition of osana-najimi, as it is the definition used by the characters themselves in anime.
I mean, lets's take Major for example. If Shimizu only knew Goro for a year when they were kids, but Shimizu and Goro still considers themselves as 'osana-najimi' (said so themselves in one of the episodes) when they were in high school, it should denote that 'osana-najimi' as a term is pretty broad, and thus applies to whole smackful of characters.
2) Success rate of childhood friend
My main list in the trend page over @ general anime forums shows a list of series in which a boy/girl childhood friend pair appeared, I marked those who didn't hook up together. In the end, the percentage shows how many shows in which the childhood friends hooked up with each other against the total number of shows the childhood friend appeared (and simply appeared in).
Golthin said that if we..
a) remove those series in which there isn't a love triangle involving the childhood friend
b) remove the series in which an 'automatic' ending is there (aka, childhood friend last standing)
...then we would see a drop in the win percentage.
Little did Golthin know that the reason why I counted a) in the first place (way back during the Sola days) was because the win rate is staggering if I only counted the times when the childhood friend was in a love triangle with the other childhood friend.
As for b), the ratio of automatic wins to automatic loses aren't much different from total wins to total loses, so it really wouldn't change anything. If anything, every automatic loss taken away helps several times more than an automatic win that is cut by b), as simple mathematics would suggest.
3) Does non-blood related siblings (NBRS) count as osana-najimi?
Well, considering NBRS (assuming they grew up together) fulfills the definition of osana-najimi AND all act in every way shape and form as an osana-najimi, then yes.
I think Shin being too dense about the situation is the problem.
If only he knew that Aiko has feelings for him...Aiko is already giving him hints (treating him to lunch, the sweater). I just hope Nobuse doesn't go crazy on the next episode, since Aiko has already officially turned him down.
@Dragoonkain
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Can't comment on your example though, since I don't know those characters.
2. I also can't comment much on this...it's a matter of statistics and requires having watched an extensive amount of romance/slice-of-life animes.
However I do know...
Childhood friends who ended up together:
Naru x Keitaro from Love Hina (with rivalry from girls who are not childhood friends, a childhood friend, and a NBRS)
Lavy x Claus from Last Exile (with rivalry from a girl who is not a childhood friend)
Riko x Haruhiko from Gift (with rivalry from another childhood friend)
Nanaka x Sana from Myself;Yourself (This is a bit easy for Nanaka because the other girls don't have any strong romantic interest on Sana)
Unsure if the childhood friend will end up with the main guy:
Lucy x Kohta from Elfen Lied (with rivalry from Kohta's cousin)
Kotomi x Tomoya from Clannad (too many rivals)
Childhood friend failed to end up with the guy:
Kaede x Rin from Shuffle (It's never shown that Rin knows Asa since he was a little boy, so Asa can't be considered a childhood friend)
3. I somehow agree that NBRS can be osana-najimi, though my example would be different.
It would be the characters from Gift ~eternal rainbow~ (Riko Fukamine is a NBRS and she ends up with the leading guy in the anime adaptation). They didn't grow up together, but they've known each other (and are nice to each other) since childhood which I think satisfies the definition by ANN.
I think Shin being too dense about the situation is the problem.
If only he knew that Aiko has feelings for him...Aiko is already giving him hints (treating him to lunch, the sweater). I just hope Nobuse doesn't go crazy on the next episode, since Aiko has already officially turned him down.
I as well think that Shin is too dense. Not just with Aiko, but Hiromi as well.
Aiko has given hints but also has sent mixed signals. She treated him to lunch in episode 4 but then said she was worried about him as an "older sister" and he was like a younger brother to her in that scene. She used him to model for the sweater size but said that she was using him because he had the same shoulder width as Nobuse.
Nobuse with his crazy facial expressions in reaction to Aiko at the mall made me think for a moment that he might go School Days on Shin and Aiko.
I as well think that Shin is too dense. Not just with Aiko, but Hiromi as well.
Aiko has given hints but also has sent mixed signals. She treated him to lunch in episode 4 but then said she was worried about him as an "older sister" and he was like a younger brother to her in that scene. She used him to model for the sweater size but said that she was using him because he had the same shoulder width as Nobuse.
I agree, Aiko's hints are mixed signals, though Shin should have noticed that Aiko is cold to Nobuse.
On the other hand, Aiko is kind and enjoys being together with him (Shin).
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Nobuse with his crazy facial expressions in reaction to Aiko at the mall made me think for a moment that he might go School Days on Shin and Aiko.
Nobuse might use a scythe since he works on a farm o.o!! - just kidding.
Seriuosly, I don't think Nobuse would go that far, he isn't that kind of person.
I as well think that Shin is too dense. Not just with Aiko, but Hiromi as well.
Aiko has given hints but also has sent mixed signals. She treated him to lunch in episode 4 but then said she was worried about him as an "older sister" and he was like a younger brother to her in that scene. She used him to model for the sweater size but said that she was using him because he had the same shoulder width as Nobuse.
Nobuse with his crazy facial expressions in reaction to Aiko at the mall made me think for a moment that he might go School Days on Shin and Aiko.
Shin is decisive, he is just somewhat introspective and cautious with his decisions and relies on hints. If he really was indecisive, he would have never gone along with Jun's "exchange" or decide to give up on Hiromi (preview). Just because he thinks things through, doesn't necessarily mean that he is indecisive.
Ai's "mix signals" struck me as plain misleading. The only signal that would suggest to Shin that Ai is interested would be buying the sweater that he was looking at. To any normal guy, that doesn't scream "I love you". I'd bet if that happened to one of you, you wouldn't act just based on that.
I think it's been pretty clear that Shin acts based on his interactions with the girls. The only problem is that they are almost never honest with their own emotions.
Good point about the personal involvement creeping up to Bokura ga Ita intensity, Guardian Enzo. If you shouted at Yano when he left, you'll be screaming "wtf" at him in volume 12 of the manga.
Please don't spoil me any further, Kaoru! I'd been on the periphery of enough spoilage to know I probably wasn't going to like the turn of the manga, so I avoided it up till now. But one of the effects of getting into True Tears was getting me thinking about BGI again, so I caved. But I'm limited to scanlations, which leaves me at the beginning of ch. 10.
Just so she doesn't end up with the devil, Takeuchi. He's a bastard - a lying, cheating, manipulative snake-in-the-grass and I'd sooner see them all DEAD than have them be together!!!
Ahem. Sorry.
So how about that Shin, huh? I'm still rooting for Hiromi myself...
Shin is decisive, he is just somewhat introspective and cautious with his decisions and relies on hints. If he really was indecisive, he would have never gone along with Jun's "exchange" or decide to give up on Hiromi (preview). Just because he thinks things through, doesn't necessarily mean that he is indecisive.
I did'nt say Shin was indecisive, I said he was "dense", in this case meaning slow to understand or lacking perception.
I think both Aiko and Hiromi have sent mixed signals but he's also dense in that only one type of signal is getting through, the type that fits in or agrees with his mental picture of what's going on. If he was perceptive he would have noticed that their behavior acts in conflict with what they have said but he never picks it up.
An example would be Hiromi being obviously annoyed with him in episode 5 in her room and again in episode 6 after he came home where she confronts him, asking him what he had told Jun about her. It never occurred to him to directly ask why she wasn't happy about him "helping" her out with the guy that she "liked". If she really did like Jun like she said then she might be annoyed that he was a busybody but she should overall be ecstatic that her "impossible" dream of being with that guy is true.
Basically once he gets his mind stuck on one train on thought he can't seem to recognize inconsistencies. Despite Hiromi's demeanor and actions to the contrary, Shin can't recognize the signs that would contradict with his own mental picture of Hiromi liking Jun. Same with Aiko in that he has a mental picture of Aiko and Nobuse being together and liking each other so he filters out signs that point to the contrary. His actions seem to be based on this static mental picture that he imagines in his mind that does'nt change unless he gets a clue so strong that it would need to be like a slap in the face to register in his mind.
I did'nt say Shin was indecisive, I said he was "dense", in this case meaning slow to understand or lacking perception.
I think both Aiko and Hiromi have sent mixed signals but he's also dense in that only one type of signal is getting through, the type that fits in or agrees with his mental picture of what's going on. If he was perceptive he would have noticed that their behavior acts in conflict with what they have said but he never picks it up.
An example would be Hiromi being obviously annoyed with him in episode 5 in her room and again in episode 6 after he came home where she confronts him, asking him what he had told Jun about her. It never occurred to him to directly ask why she wasn't happy about him "helping" her out with the guy that she "liked". If she really did like Jun like she said then she might be annoyed that he was a busybody but she should overall be ecstatic that her "impossible" dream of being with that guy is true.
Basically once he gets his mind stuck on one train on thought he can't seem to recognize inconsistencies. Despite Hiromi's demeanor and actions to the contrary, Shin can't recognize the signs that would contradict with his own mental picture of Hiromi liking Jun. Same with Aiko in that he has a mental picture of Aiko and Nobuse being together and liking each other so he filters out signs that point to the contrary. His actions seem to based on this static mental picture that he imagines in his mind that does'nt change unless he gets a clue so strong that it would need to be like a slap in the face to register in his mind.
NOTHING, NOTHING will work with Shin! HE has to be told straight that he is liked. Heck, if Aiko had not told him that the reason she wanted to get close to Noe was to actually get close him, he would never have put it together. He also didn't ever get that Aiko had feelings for him, and that helping nobuse will hurt her. he doesn't even get the hints that she is not happy with nobuse.
I agree with you too, He is not indesicive, and this was proven when he helped nobuse and Aiko get together. He is just the personification of denseness.
Its the illness that plagues all male leads... They won't know that a girl like them until it was told directly to them with straight words. She has to say "I love you (in a relationship kinda way)" or he'll never ever ever know.... Honestly that personality trait is rather annoying...
While I do agree there exists a SMPS (Stupid Male Protagonist Syndrome) in a lot of shows, Shin's is very justifiable. There have been some clues, but nothing that screams "I LOVE YOU." The evidence isn't concrete enough for Shin to act on it. Plus he wouldn't be focusing on the other girl's feelings as he has his eyes on Hiromi and Hiromi has been giving Shin a mixed bag of feelings. People are just experiencing the effects of dramatic irony.
Why do people assume 16 year-old boys are supposed to be savants at determining girls' feelings, anyway? Shin is pretty much clueless in this regard - in other words, pretty much typical for his peer group. I don't think Hiromi has given him anything a typical 16 year-old could extrapolate out to a signal of romantic interest. Like most boys his age he doesn't trust his judgement in these matters, so that even when something ambiguos occurs - the scarf incident - he's telling himself "She didn't mean anything by it. Why would she be into me?"
It's not an anime thing - it's a life thing. We're just like that. Sometimes we get better, sometimes not - but not many of us ever really figure it out.
It would be nice to see Shin at least look puzzled or wonder what's up with the mixed signals. I can understand that he can't yet act on anything for story purposes, but at least show us that he's somewhat aware of the signals. Instead those signals don't even seem to register in his mind...
NOTHING, NOTHING will work with Shin! HE has to be told straight that he is liked. Heck, if Aiko had not told him that the reason she wanted to get close to Noe was to actually get close him, he would never have put it together. He also didn't ever get that Aiko had feelings for him, and that helping nobuse will hurt her. he doesn't even get the hints that she is not happy with nobuse.
I agree with you too, He is not indesicive, and this was proven when he helped nobuse and Aiko get together. He is just the personification of denseness.
I'm not going to be hard on this guy because I believe Hiromi is the reason why Shin will not notice anyone else's feelings for him. Now that Hiromi is seemingly "dating" #4, Ai and Noe have a window of opportunity to get him to notice their feelings. I also think Noe wins this war. She has his belt afterall and doing the victory dance in the kitchen by wrapping it around her waist as a trophy.
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