2011-11-19, 11:06 | Link #2461 |
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Speaking of drones, how about that Garden of Time?
Precia was apparently finacially well-off, but there's no way she had the money or the inclination to create an entire space station for a home. To say nothing of how the TSAB probably doesn't allow single civilians to create space-stations equipped with robot defense forces. (Not unless the TSAB is privately funding the civilian, anyway.) I wonder if the Garden of Time isn't a Midchildan remnant of the Sankt Kaiser Reunification era; a space station that was created to guard Midchilda from its enemies. That would help explain why it looks so damn old, settled and overgrown in the movie manga, and in Fate's dream of "what if my sister never died". I'm guessing the fortress was damaged and got scuttled on planet. As for why Precia is allowed to live there, perhaps her ancestors were nobility and the Garden of Time was their domain. So, as long as she abided by TSAB requirements to disable or disarm certain weapon systems, the TSAB would not evict her and scrap the whole thing for parts. Yet she somehow got her hands on a Lost Logia capable of powering the whole place back up*, and when she was declared a Dimensional Criminal, she decided to take the Garden of Time and hightail it into the Dimensional Sea to avoid capture and continue working on Alicia's resurrection. *That non-Jewel Seed gem thing that Nanoha sealed in the Garden of Time, after splitting up with Fate. The drones might have been an old Midchildan invention to counter Belkan AMF technology. For that matter, the Midchildan Magic System's focus on long-range attacks might have been in response to Belkan AMF technology. Both of the close-combat mages among the Forwards were Subaru and Erio, but they were using Belkan System, which might work better for fighting directly inside Anti-Magilink Fields. For one thing, Belkan system places more demands on the body than the Linker Core, which is compensated by a greatly increased diet. Further, Erio was an Artificial Mage, and Subaru was the combat cyborg daughter of a strong mage. Therefore, they were both powerful exceptions on top of Belkan mages. Teana, by contrast, is a fairly traditional Midchildan mage without a great deal of power, and she was able to deal with AMF conditions by attacking from range using the Variable Shell technique. Thus supporting the idea that the Midchildan System evolved to its current state as a response to the technology of Belkan enemies. Perhaps also in response to the Marriage, who can kill close-quarters combatants by exploding when they die. The safest way to take them out is from a distance. |
2011-11-19, 13:40 | Link #2462 |
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Not very wall designed tough, all but one are unable to do good ranged attacks and their dangeerousity come more from their size and bulk that to the queality of their weapons/armor(remebers how Chrono alone was mercilessly ttashing every robot in his path without bathing an eye). The final bot, tugh was better equiped and took the combined efforts of two powerfull AAA mages(and a AA mage and a Familiar if you want to count Yuuno and Arf chaining the whole thing) to take it down.
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Thus, the robots were made to engage the enemy at close range while the mages stayed back and provided firesupport. So the robots didn't generally need long range weapons. As for poor quality, Chrono IS an Ace himself, so I don't imagine that rank-and-file Belkan mages fighting in AMF conditions would do as well against those robots as he did, especially since he generally fought them at long-range, which is the range they were not designed to handle. It's also possible that Precia couldn't get enough quality parts to put them all back in proper working order. Quote:
Not to mention how noteably tilted the darn thing is. And how the bottom features the exact same spikes that the top does. |
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So he might have had access to the Cradle for several years without the Brains finding out...
Or he might have found those stealth-drones from something else, and there happened to be more in the Cradle. Which makes sense -- you can find the same jets stationed on more than one naval aircraft carrier. Did we ever learn why they attacked Vita and Nanoha; or rather, what those two were doing when they got attacked? Quote:
Complete AMF is enough to shut down flight magic, but not barrier jackets (though that may have been because the writers simply forgot BJs are spells, too). But Devices still functioned in total AMF conditions, even if they couldn't actually do much of anything, right? So a Device with arms and legs could move and attack. |
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EDIT: Scratch that, I don't remember whether it was Jewel Seed or Relic. And wouldn't the distinction between golems and drones be more on whether they have machinery inside or not instead of what powered them?
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2011-11-19, 22:14 | Link #2470 |
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Please tell me that those were fake, knock-off Jewel Seeds.
The idea that the much-less-than-the-original-21 world-devastingly-powerful Jewel Seeds recovered from the Precia incident would be used to power much-more-than-21 rank and file disposable drones is insulting. It would have been a much better use for those damned Relics that ended up being completely unimportant. |
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Or maybe pinnacle creations like the Jewel Seeds represented a gross excess and waste of resources even to the Al Hazardians, most of whom considered gadget drones to be more efficient tools. Especially when they were supplementing a virtually invincible battle fortress with total AMF cability. The individual robots of its teeming defense force wouldn't need to be particularly world-shaking on their own. Especially if they were only meant to support Al Hazardian mages. Quote:
Wait... did they all stop moving when Nanoha and Lindy were done sealing the place? (Also, if Nanoha was sealing the Garden's powersource, what did Lindy seal?) Quote:
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The difference is rather vast. Quote:
Yeah, she's that awesome. Well, it did end up making them stable. That's progress from "if a kitty touches it bad stuff will happen." |
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Anyway, my main point is that it would be inaccurate to call Precia's base guards as golems because they're magic-powered. A water clock is still a clock, and an electric car is still a car. The difference between golem and gadget drone IMO is the insides - golems, as shown in Vivid, are wholly created by their base materials and have their shapes sustained and their movements coordinated by magic. Drones, OTOH, only use magic as a source of power; they are assembled in factories and their movement depends on the little machines inside them. And then there's the fact that the only thing ever confirmed to be a golem is directly controlled by the magic of its creator. AFAIK, right now there are too few things we know about the mooks in the Garden of Time to decide whether they're golems or drones.
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PS. Also AMF don't affect direct energy transfer, but constructions from said energy.
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The Arthra was perfectly capable of leaving Earth to go to the TSAB HQ, right after dropping off Nanoha and Yuuno, but they weren't able to take Yuuno back home to Mid. Quote:
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AMF is an AoE zone that hamper the ability to perform mana-linking and work with any magic that come into the area covered by it. Even if it results to be a "spell" and thus able to be casted by a mage i'm pretty sure some conditions must be applied, like the caster not being properly able to use magic during the duration of the spell or casting a protective core-like barrier that protects itself from the effects of the AMF.
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