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The continual stream of cute girls doing cute things shows may have had something to do with providing the shock that woke a fanbase up. edit: Though I've just learned today that Nichijou is apparently now regarded as some hidden gem masterpiece by the people that actually stayed to watch it (mostly the Kyoani hardcores it would seem) and noticed that it's now kind of getting the same ridiculous over the top praise that Kyoani shows have historically gotten and that is still impossible for me to take seriously (I couldn't help but laugh at some reviews that I've seen in how over the top and strange the criteria for "perfection" are), only on a MUCH smaller scale and again only by the diehard fans. Apparently I missed something along the way and it got....I don't want to use the word popular cause that doesn't really describe it...so I'll settle with "internally hyped" (possibly the least surprising thing ever), but in any case the downward trend in Kyoani's popularity is still noticeable in spite of whatever went on with Nichijou and Kyoani hardcores during it's second half. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2011-09-26 at 13:29. |
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2011-09-26, 14:14 | Link #622 | |
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I'll admit, I stuck with it just because it was a KyoAni show, but I also read parts of the manga that I loved and weren't animated yet at the time, so I knew it had to become better when they would get to it, and in that regard, the studio didn't disappoint me. But, I'm not going out of my way claiming it to be a masterpiece. For me, it falls somewhere between 'good' and 'very good' (7 or 8) and anything higher than that is merely the fans hyping the show up to something it's not. And last I checked, sales for this show weren't doing so well, though that could change with the shift in timeslot (prime time vs late night) and the accompanied change of audience. As for the studio itself, with all the success formulas it has had recently, they've set the bar really high in terms of expectations. Basically, if they're making something, it just has to be worth watching. And I think the studio is quite aware of that (which I think is why they made Nichijou look so damn good).
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2011-09-26, 14:42 | Link #623 | |
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On the topic of Nichijyou. I really like it. More than K-On. Maybe not as much as the Key/KyoAni works though. Nichijyou, despite its hype isn't really a cute girls doing cute things show as much as it is a comedy. This, imho, is why Nichijyou failed (for KyoAni standards of success). It was hyped as a cute girls doing cute things and failed to deliver (as well as other series) on that. KyoAni hasn't really lowered their production standards and way of doing things for Nichjyou either. It has solid quality and beautiful animation like everything else from them. KyoAni is a failure of an original work studio and are faithful adapters, thus they can only be as good as their source work. KyoAni did their thing with Nichijyou and a lot of people didn't like it, not because of KyoAni messing up on their adaptation, but because Nichijyou is definitely not what KyoAni hyped it to be, and because Nichijyou isn't something they would like regardless of the studio. I don't see anyone that loved Nichijyou manga complaining about Nichijyou anime. Despite the "failure" in sales that FMP received, I don't think a notable amount of FMP fans complained about FMPTSR/FMPF. |
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2011-09-26, 15:03 | Link #624 | |
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In any case I definitely don't subscribe to the whole "if they are making it it must be worth watching" creed (or as it used to be expressed quite bizarrely and IMO unrealistically, "Kyoani can turn anything into gold, even if it's a turd it'll be a solid gold turd") but I'm sure for the people that have loved all of their shows unconditionally that's still the case. As always I continue to call such a sentiment more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than a reality (Nichijou's low sales and arguable complete lack of impact throughout the last two seasons kind of support this) and often have to wonder who people that make such utterances are really trying to convince. |
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2011-09-26, 15:18 | Link #625 | ||
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(I'm aware that the Idolmaster games are popular enough to qualify as "hax" from a marketting standpoint, but I'd say the same about KyoAni's brand after Air and Haruhi. More plebian shows about cute girls were never going to reach the sort of sales numbers KyoAni's stuff did.) Edit: Quote:
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2011-09-26, 16:08 | Link #626 | |
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Anyway Namco Bandai was also the publisher of the majority of Kyoani shows that had been turned into a video games before Kadokawa Shoten started developing and publishing them themselves, which seems like a great idea for having quality games doesn't it? In any case I'd say that Namco Bandai are among the most horizontally/vertically integrated company in Japan right now, but that's a topic for another thread. By the way, I think the current state of otaku entertainment in Japan can be traced back more to the emerging popularity of Light Novels and Visual Novels than perhaps any single other factor in the past decade. Nothing has had a greater impact, not any studio, not any director, not any writer or visionary than that singular factor. As much as I still really don't care about the scene very much at all, it's hard to argue against the fact that Light Novels and Visual Novels are basically the shit there right now. The be all end all for many an otaku, where everything stems from. Still I hope other folks realize that there was a time that LN's/VN's weren't the driving force behind the Japanese entertainment sub-cultures at large. It's kind of sad that I feel like I'm dating myself by saying this. |
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2011-09-26, 17:03 | Link #628 | |
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Shortage of creative talent/ideas and heavy competition in the anime industry in the early 2000s lead them to court cash strapped software houses that had useful IP. It's a bit like Hollywood and the comic industry. |
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2011-09-26, 18:55 | Link #631 | |
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Infinite Stratos - okay, that's a case of a franchise with little heritage hitting it big - but such occurences seem rare to me. (I also have to admit that I tend to think of Infinite Stratos as a harem show first and a moe show second, which is the opposite of what I think when I look at the Key-KyoAni collaborations, Haruhi, Angel Beats, and a few others, hence its not something that tends to come to mind for me in moe show discussions despite Charlotte being among my favourite characters, well, ever.)
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2011-09-27, 00:32 | Link #633 |
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I question the notion of Nichijou being a masterpiece. Watched 7 episodes of the thing and couldn't stand it. Too "Japanese" for my liking.
If anything, Usagi Drop seems to be the "masterpiece" slice of life anime of the year so far. You don't have to appreciate Japanese humour to like it. Heck, you could be a non-anime viewer and at the very least tolerate it. I doubt that KyoAni will make something so down to earth though. |
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And it shouldn't even be compared to Usagi Drop since Nichijou only pretended to be slice-of-life. Also, I think CLANNAD comes the closest in terms of being down to earth.
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2011-09-27, 07:47 | Link #638 |
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I was sorta referring to comparing Nichijou to a slice of life, down to earth show which in technicality it isn't so in that sense I think Usagi Drop and Nichijou are two things that are way to far off to be compared with.
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2011-09-27, 10:32 | Link #639 |
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The original Munto (from 2002 or so) got KyoAni high marks for their animation and such. I basically got them involved with FMP: Fumoffu and AIR.
Munto TV (2009)...most people didn't even watch (I certainly didn't). Most were still on about Clannad: After Story, Haruhi-chan, and getting ready for K-On and Haruhi (2009).
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