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DragonEye · 2017-11-10, 22:25

Nope, if that happened, then the power level, that is already a little messy, would be thrown in the trash. If Or-Gaule is one of the strongest, then he should not be defeated by Ikki or Stella if they are alone. Only if they are together, or if he is in really bad shape. Ikki and Stella are strong, but if Or-Gaule is on that high of a level, then he has to be defeated by both of them, or by one of them after he is a little beaten up.

DragonOsman · 2017-11-11, 05:49

I guess you're right. Then both of them together, since I'd hate it if Or-Gaule was defeated because he was weakened.

AndySimpson96 · 2017-11-11, 05:52

As much as I want to see Stella and Ikki fight side by side against an enemy for the first time (both fighting the same opponent at the same time), I wouldn't be upset if Ascard was the one to defeat Or-Gaule.

DragonOsman · 2017-11-11, 06:00

Ascarid.

But yeah, her defeating him would be good since they're siblings and she has more of a reason to want to kill him. But Stella and Ikki are also getting more reasons to want to do that now, so we'll see.

DragonEye · 2017-11-11, 08:59

Well, they could always team up. Ikki and Stella are already done with their fights. I wouldn't mind if Or-Gaule needed the 3 of them to be defeated. If that were to happen, then we would see what a strong villain is like in Rakudai, someone who would be defeated only when fighting against 3 opponents. And I say that Ascarid should deliver the final blow, she needs to get closure

Triok123 · 2017-11-11, 11:22

i can totally see that string-guy is not one of strongest because of his actual skill (which is powerful), but because of te nature of his skill, he can make people fight the one who they hold dear, hence make him dangerous..

the dry guy on other hand seem to be the real deal

DragonOsman · 2017-11-11, 11:26

Naseem, you mean? Rakudai's Crocodile (One Piece reference). [About the "dry guy".]

Or-Gaule probably isn't the strongest just because of that, though.

longdaica09vna · 2017-11-11, 11:54

But i dont think Or--Gaule strong at a head-on fight

Alterdream · 2017-11-11, 15:31

@Iongdaica09vna: Well, he has shown being able to launch an attack that is comparable in power to Ittou Rasetsu. The ability to control hundreds of people does though seem more impressive.

AP24 · 2017-11-11, 21:08

Here's my guess on who are currently the strongest Desperados in the world (excluding Ikki and Stella since they will just keep getting stronger in the story).

1st-3rd: Tyrant, Carter, Bright
4th-5th: Edelweiss, 1 unknown
6th-10th: Or-Gaule, Naseem, Nene, Nangou, 1 unknown
11th-15th: Ascarid, 4 unknown

I wonder if the Great Sage is on Edelweiss' level. The Four Sages including Xiaoli are probably below Ascarid's level.

Ikki and Stella are probably on Ascarid's level at most.

Alterdream · 2017-11-12, 03:27

@AP24: Seems like a pretty accurate list. I could see the Great Sage being on Edelweiss' level, though that is just a guess.

Also, Carlo did defeat Ascarid previously. Do you think that it was maybe a very situational victory, or that Ascarid could perform better against more powerful opponents?

GhostWolf · 2017-11-12, 05:58

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Originally Posted by Alterdream

@AP24: Seems like a pretty accurate list. I could see the Great Sage being on Edelweiss' level, though that is just a guess.

Also, Carlo did defeat Ascarid previously. Do you think that it was maybe a very situational victory, or that Ascarid could perform better against more powerful opponents?

DOO we know if ascarid was a desperado when they fought.?maybe she wasn't and that why she lost.. And also water type attacks might work well against her, if they can cover her fully with water that might very well limit her

DragonOsman · 2017-11-12, 09:02

A non-Desperado with a strong enough willpower to resist a Desperado's power over fate can defeat them. The reason Carlo couldn't beat Naseem that way was because Naseem was able to bring him to a point where he couldn't do it anymore because he was too scared. It was pathetic (on Carlo's part).

DragonEye · 2017-11-12, 10:14

We have to take some thing into account here. A non-Desperado with strong enough willpower to resist a Desperado's power over fate can have a clean fight without fate protecting the Desperado, but if Carlo was stronger than Ascarid, or if he used some tactics like keeping her out of the ring or something, then he could easily defeat her.

DragonOsman · 2017-11-12, 14:53

Yeah, that too. If it's a fight with tournament rules like that applying to it, then it's possible to win over a Desperado by making use of the rules.

longdaica09vna · 2017-11-16, 11:37

I wonder Ascarid's Device is armor or both of armor and halberd

DragonOsman · 2017-11-16, 14:25

I also want to know about that, now that you mention it.

AndySimpson96 · 2017-11-16, 15:07

Most likely both

Alterdream · 2017-11-16, 15:34

Ascarid has shown summoning both, so they are probably both her Device. However, she has so far used her ability through her armor only.

AP24 · 2017-11-16, 16:55

I think the armor is the main form of her device and the halberd is like an extension. Kind of like Johann's device's main form being a horse and the spear is an extension.

2017-11-10, 22:25	Link #12781
DragonEye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Brazil	Nope, if that happened, then the power level, that is already a little messy, would be thrown in the trash. If Or-Gaule is one of the strongest, then he should not be defeated by Ikki or Stella if they are alone. Only if they are together, or if he is in really bad shape. Ikki and Stella are strong, but if Or-Gaule is on that high of a level, then he has to be defeated by both of them, or by one of them after he is a little beaten up. Last edited by DragonEye; 2017-11-10 at 23:03.

2017-11-11, 05:49	Link #12782
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	I guess you're right. Then both of them together, since I'd hate it if Or-Gaule was defeated because he was weakened. __________________

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Ascarid. But yeah, her defeating him would be good since they're siblings and she has more of a reason to want to kill him. But Stella and Ikki are also getting more reasons to want to do that now, so we'll see. __________________

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Naseem, you mean? Rakudai's Crocodile (One Piece reference). [About the "dry guy".] Or-Gaule probably isn't the strongest just because of that, though. __________________

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Alterdream Dreamer Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Finland Age: 32	@Iongdaica09vna: Well, he has shown being able to launch an attack that is comparable in power to Ittou Rasetsu. The ability to control hundreds of people does though seem more impressive. Last edited by Alterdream; 2017-11-11 at 15:42.

2017-11-11, 05:52	Link #12783
AndySimpson96 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017	As much as I want to see Stella and Ikki fight side by side against an enemy for the first time (both fighting the same opponent at the same time), I wouldn't be upset if Ascard was the one to defeat Or-Gaule.

2017-11-11, 08:59	Link #12785
DragonEye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Brazil	Well, they could always team up. Ikki and Stella are already done with their fights. I wouldn't mind if Or-Gaule needed the 3 of them to be defeated. If that were to happen, then we would see what a strong villain is like in Rakudai, someone who would be defeated only when fighting against 3 opponents. And I say that Ascarid should deliver the final blow, she needs to get closure

2017-11-11, 11:22	Link #12786
Triok123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013	i can totally see that string-guy is not one of strongest because of his actual skill (which is powerful), but because of te nature of his skill, he can make people fight the one who they hold dear, hence make him dangerous.. the dry guy on other hand seem to be the real deal

2017-11-11, 11:54	Link #12788
longdaica09vna Member Join Date: Feb 2017	But i dont think Or--Gaule strong at a head-on fight

2017-11-11, 21:08	Link #12790
AP24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	Here's my guess on who are currently the strongest Desperados in the world (excluding Ikki and Stella since they will just keep getting stronger in the story). 1st-3rd: Tyrant, Carter, Bright 4th-5th: Edelweiss, 1 unknown 6th-10th: Or-Gaule, Naseem, Nene, Nangou, 1 unknown 11th-15th: Ascarid, 4 unknown I wonder if the Great Sage is on Edelweiss' level. The Four Sages including Xiaoli are probably below Ascarid's level. Ikki and Stella are probably on Ascarid's level at most.

2017-11-12, 03:27	Link #12791
Alterdream Dreamer Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Finland Age: 32	@AP24: Seems like a pretty accurate list. I could see the Great Sage being on Edelweiss' level, though that is just a guess. Also, Carlo did defeat Ascarid previously. Do you think that it was maybe a very situational victory, or that Ascarid could perform better against more powerful opponents?

2017-11-12, 09:02	Link #12793
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	A non-Desperado with a strong enough willpower to resist a Desperado's power over fate can defeat them. The reason Carlo couldn't beat Naseem that way was because Naseem was able to bring him to a point where he couldn't do it anymore because he was too scared. It was pathetic (on Carlo's part). __________________

2017-11-12, 10:14	Link #12794
DragonEye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Brazil	We have to take some thing into account here. A non-Desperado with strong enough willpower to resist a Desperado's power over fate can have a clean fight without fate protecting the Desperado, but if Carlo was stronger than Ascarid, or if he used some tactics like keeping her out of the ring or something, then he could easily defeat her.

2017-11-12, 14:53	Link #12795
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yeah, that too. If it's a fight with tournament rules like that applying to it, then it's possible to win over a Desperado by making use of the rules. __________________

2017-11-16, 11:37	Link #12796
longdaica09vna Member Join Date: Feb 2017	I wonder Ascarid's Device is armor or both of armor and halberd

2017-11-16, 14:25	Link #12797
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	I also want to know about that, now that you mention it. __________________

2017-11-16, 15:07	Link #12798
AndySimpson96 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017	Most likely both

2017-11-16, 15:34	Link #12799
Alterdream Dreamer Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Finland Age: 32	Ascarid has shown summoning both, so they are probably both her Device. However, she has so far used her ability through her armor only.

2017-11-16, 16:55	Link #12800
AP24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I think the armor is the main form of her device and the halberd is like an extension. Kind of like Johann's device's main form being a horse and the spear is an extension.